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if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Unread postby iamgoofball » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:53 pm #452679

basically this is that friendly antag ban thread except less retarded and we're not talking about suicide wizards period


if someone isn't going to do their job as an antag, just fuckin take the role from them and pass it to a random player, or go mash create antags or something god fuck can you guys get your act together


also stop fucking leaving traitor on if you don't want to be a traitor like jesus christ are you fucking five years old holy shit stop being a dumpster fire and remember to hit A SINGLE BUTTON before starting the round



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Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Unread postby CosmicScientist » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:01 pm #452680

Easier solution that has seen use before, send a second wizard with an objective to kill the first.

Also how does an admin know a traitor isn't being a traitor?
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Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Unread postby iamgoofball » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:09 pm #452684

CosmicScientist wrote:Easier solution that has seen use before, send a second wizard with an objective to kill the first.

Also how does an admin know a traitor isn't being a traitor?

this is literally what I said in the OP thanks 4 repeating it


>Also how does an admin know a traitor isn't being a traitor

i understand I am usually implying aka stating outright that admins have less brain cells than a fucking stink bug but i think they can use common sense???????????


bar than we can check the following properties:
1. hasn't spent any of their good boy antag points BUT also hasn't done any of the below because some people do no spent TC runs like a boss
2. hasn't converted anyone or made an attempt to
3. hasn't actually been a driving force in the round
4. hasn't supported their team at all
5. is wanking off in the bar all day with their metagame buddiesfriends
6. immediately gave everything they had antag related to Security and fucked off

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Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Unread postby Nabski » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:09 pm #452686

Occasionally people Ahelp saying that they don't feel robust enough to be traitor or concerned that by not being a good enough traitor they will ruin the round. I typically try to convince them that anything they do is fine, and if they have to go I'll be willing to offer them to ghosts.
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Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Unread postby iamgoofball » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:11 pm #452687

Nabski wrote:Occasionally people Ahelp saying that they don't feel robust enough to be traitor or concerned that by not being a good enough traitor they will ruin the round. I typically try to convince them that anything they do is fine, and if they have to go I'll be willing to offer them to ghosts.

there you go see this is how you handle it none of that dumb ban shit that was ebing throw around in the thread before

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Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Unread postby PKPenguin321 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:18 pm #452690

This was talked about a bit in the thread we had I think last week. viewtopic.php?f=33&t=20124
I don't think the headmins are interested in this at the moment considering they locked the last thread.

That said, if the antags aren't doing shit and the round's been going on for long enough, sometimes I'll spawn more.
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Unread postby Not-Dorsidarf » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:19 pm #452691

I tend to give them a grace period in case they're trying to do something sneaky.

Then if it turns out they arent i set fire to the world.
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Unread postby adamkad1 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:31 pm #452699

why does everyone love murderboners?

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Unread postby PKPenguin321 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:39 pm #452701

adamkad1 wrote:why does everyone love murderboners?

This is not what the thread is talking about and I will be removing further mentions of this. The debate is not "MURDERBONE OR NOTHING," stop framing it that way.
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Unread postby somerandomguy » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:58 pm #452717

There is some validity to that argument, how do you know the traitor isn't just waiting for materials and tech points
What would the cutoff even be to run the check
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Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Unread postby Dr_bee » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:27 am #452754

"REEE STOP PLAYING IN A WAY I DONT LIKE"

Seriously, solo antags can do whatever, suck it up.

The moment you start restricting what antags can do IC is the moment we go full bay and ban people for not RPing breathing.

Some of my best antag rounds have been when Ive gotten all my objectives done without being noticed as even suspicious, and sometimes even going out of my way to save the station. Nothing like being hailed as a hero only to have people see that you greentexted right under their noses.

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Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Unread postby subject217 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:14 am #452820

Dr_bee wrote:Seriously, solo antags can do whatever, suck it up.

they can do whatever unless it's a rule 4 exception or suicide as a wizard, apparently

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Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Unread postby iamgoofball » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:56 am #452856

Dr_bee wrote:"REEE STOP PLAYING IN A WAY I DONT LIKE"

Seriously, solo antags can do whatever, suck it up.

The moment you start restricting what antags can do IC is the moment we go full bay and ban people for not RPing breathing.

Some of my best antag rounds have been when Ive gotten all my objectives done without being noticed as even suspicious, and sometimes even going out of my way to save the station. Nothing like being hailed as a hero only to have people see that you greentexted right under their noses.

so like did you read anything in this thread, or

because your given example wouldn't be stopped here

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Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Unread postby Dr_bee » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:34 am #452862

subject217 wrote:
Dr_bee wrote:Seriously, solo antags can do whatever, suck it up.

they can do whatever unless it's a rule 4 exception or suicide as a wizard, apparently


the antag can do whatever in character, it doesnt mean the player can be a dick, you cant crash the server or use an exploit and claim solo antag immunity, and you never could.

People are just salty their shitty suicide wizard meme is dead.

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Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Unread postby iamgoofball » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:38 pm #452886

Dr_bee wrote:
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Dr_bee wrote:Seriously, solo antags can do whatever, suck it up.

they can do whatever unless it's a rule 4 exception or suicide as a wizard, apparently


the antag can do whatever in character, it doesnt mean the player can be a dick, you cant crash the server or use an exploit and claim solo antag immunity, and you never could.

People are just salty their shitty suicide wizard meme is dead.

this is not about the suicide wizard crap please stop fucking bringing it up christ READ THE OP

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Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Unread postby WarbossLincoln » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:13 pm #452913

I guess it's a rerun week.

Just like before this is something admins can easily handle case by case and we don't need to muck with Rule 4 over it.
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Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Unread postby CosmicScientist » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:25 pm #452999

iamgoofball wrote:
CosmicScientist wrote:Easier solution that has seen use before, send a second wizard with an objective to kill the first.

Also how does an admin know a traitor isn't being a traitor?

this is literally what I said in the OP thanks 4 repeating it


>Also how does an admin know a traitor isn't being a traitor

i understand I am usually implying aka stating outright that admins have less brain cells than a fucking stink bug but i think they can use common sense???????????


bar than we can check the following properties:
1. hasn't spent any of their good boy antag points BUT also hasn't done any of the below because some people do no spent TC runs like a boss
2. hasn't converted anyone or made an attempt to
3. hasn't actually been a driving force in the round
4. hasn't supported their team at all
5. is wanking off in the bar all day with their metagame buddiesfriends
6. immediately gave everything they had antag related to Security and fucked off

I didn't repeat it matey. I didn't say to remove their antag status in any manner and to instead react to the situation with targeted chaos, not mash buttons chaos.

Have you adminned before? Because here are the requirements for your demands that I'm not sure we have the tools for:
1. easy to access table of all antags quick stats including TCs spent, objective status
2. extend antag stats table to include converts/measurable antaggyness
3. how do you measure this? Kills? Their name or disguise being stated over comms? Them moving at least 10 tiles every minute? The shuttle being called?
4. ahelp when parts of your team are slacking, don't expect an admin to hover over you
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iamgoofball wrote:
Dr_bee wrote:"REEE STOP PLAYING IN A WAY I DONT LIKE"

Seriously, solo antags can do whatever, suck it up.

The moment you start restricting what antags can do IC is the moment we go full bay and ban people for not RPing breathing.

Some of my best antag rounds have been when Ive gotten all my objectives done without being noticed as even suspicious, and sometimes even going out of my way to save the station. Nothing like being hailed as a hero only to have people see that you greentexted right under their noses.

so like did you read anything in this thread, or

because your given example wouldn't be stopped here

iamgoofball wrote:3. hasn't actually been a driving force in the round

lololol can't even read his own thread.
>sneakthiefs the objectives
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Unread postby Cobby » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:50 pm #453005

I don't think this needs to be solidified into a policy moreso than admins moving away from robocop and more onto the DM role.

If an antag is lacking you could just spawn in another, or you could create an interesting event and see if the current antags were simply playing the bystander waiting for a diversion.
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Unread postby Screemonster » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:15 pm #453015

Cobby wrote:If an antag is lacking you could just spawn in another, or you could create an interesting event and see if the current antags were simply playing the bystander waiting for a diversion.

I know I've had times where I've been unable to think of any particular gimmick at first but then inspiration strikes when someone else does something

what's an antagonist without a protagonist to foil

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Unread postby Floiven » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:36 am #453099

Cobby wrote:I don't think this needs to be solidified into a policy moreso than admins moving away from robocop and more onto the DM role.

If an antag is lacking you could just spawn in another, or you could create an interesting event and see if the current antags were simply playing the bystander waiting for a diversion.

Like Cobby said, this seems more like the responsibility of an admin to act like a DM and spice up the round (within reason and allowing for people with longer term plans). Reminds of DnD campaigns. To be fair, most admins that are around when I'm on have done a good job of taking care of the pacing of the rounds in my experience. Adding something like a set time limit that has to have passed before events can be added only would allow for meta-ing and creating predictable rounds, I like it having the fuzzy human element of a DM behind the curtain deciding when to pull the levers.

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Unread postby leibniz » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:49 am #453110

Cobby wrote:I don't think this needs to be solidified into a policy moreso than admins moving away from robocop and more onto the DM role.

If an antag is lacking you could just spawn in another, or you could create an interesting event and see if the current antags were simply playing the bystander waiting for a diversion.


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Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Unread postby Arianya » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:28 am #453115

I think the thread more or less made its way to this point by itself, but to give the headmin ruling:

We currently have no plan to change antagonist freedoms. That includes your freedom to decide to be a friendly wizard or whatever.

What we will say (and has been said in the past, so its not really a new ruling) is that admins are encouraged to insert conflict into a round which is lacking it, whether due to non-antagonistic antags or other reasons. That could take the form of an event, additional antagonists being spawned, or something else entirely.
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