[Elyina] Poor sportmanship/admin button fuckery.

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[Elyina] Poor sportmanship/admin button fuckery.

Unread postby carshalash » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:57 am #457455

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Time and server: Sybil 2018-11-19 07:36:41
Round ID: 97321
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/syb ... /game.html

Detailed summary: Honestly I wanted to just ignore that all of this happened but each time I read over the logs I noticed a new level of something iffy going on and just really need to report it.

Essentially in the round I was a malf ai and I decided I wanted to do a gimmick of simon says malf ai edition, for the first round I wanted to do something dumb and easy for the crew to be impossible to fuck up on. So the first one was all female must wear skirts, the sole person to object to this was Jessica, I wanted to give them a break and just electric arm them and drag them to the clothevend in arrivals. They kept resisting so they were the first to go in simon says, I let them keep fucking around on lavaland. After a while they died on got cloned, they attempted to get into the kitchen to hide but, got the old shutterbug.

[2018-11-19 08:35:30.173] EMOTE: 08:35:30.173] EMOTE: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) screams. (Kitchen (149, 132, 2))
[2018-11-19 08:35:51.649] EMOTE: 08:35:51.649] EMOTE: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) gasps! (Kitchen (149, 132, 2))
[2018-11-19 08:35:56.547] EMOTE: 08:35:56.547] EMOTE: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) seizes up and falls limp, her eyes dead and lifeless... (Kitchen (149, 132, 2))

First kill by me, next up they get back through the autocloner.

[2018-11-19 08:37:13.015] GAME: 08:37:13.015] GAME: *no key*/(Jessica Hunter) *no key*/(Jessica Hunter) is no longer owning mob Merick Alberto(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Genetics Lab (153, 115, 2))
[2018-11-19 08:37:19.022] ACCESS: 08:37:19.022] ACCESS: Mob Login: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human
[2018-11-19 08:37:19.023] GAME: 08:37:19.023] GAME: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) Client Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) has taken ownership of mob Unknown(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Genetics Lab (155, 113, 2))
[2018-11-19 08:37:34.266] EMOTE: 08:37:34.266] EMOTE: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) gasps! (Genetics Lab (155, 113, 2))
[2018-11-19 08:37:44.271] EMOTE: 08:37:44.271] EMOTE: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) seizes up and falls limp, her eyes dead and lifeless... (Genetics Lab (155, 113, 2))

I abort them from the cloner and they die from organ failure, nothing bad YET.

[2018-11-19 08:39:40.651] ADMIN: 08:39:40.651] ADMIN: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) has triggered an event. (Lone Operative)

2 minutes after I had killed them, this happened. At this point i'm pretty sure that I had only killed her and the other operative who tried to one human me and fail the next round of simon says. Kill 2 clowns from a clown bomb, so it wasn't like I was mass wiping out the entire station.

[2018-11-19 08:40:12.062] GAME: 08:40:12.062] GAME: SecPig/(Andy Catleay) Client SecPig/(Andy Catleay) has taken ownership of mob Andy Catleay(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Space (128, 195, 2))
[2018-11-19 08:40:12.085] GAME: 08:40:12.085] GAME: SecPig/(Gene Hive Operative #1) was spawned as a lone operative by an event.
[2018-11-19 08:42:00.331] EMOTE: 08:42:00.331] EMOTE: SecPig/(Gene Hive Operative #1) gasps! (Space (109, 191, 2))
[2018-11-19 08:42:34.090] GAME: 08:42:34.090] GAME: *no key*/(Gene Hive Operative #1) *no key*/(Gene Hive Operative #1) is no longer owning mob Unknown(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Space (86, 155, 2))
[2018-11-19 08:42:34.090] ACCESS: 08:42:34.090] ACCESS: Mob Login: SecPig/(Andy Catleay) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer
[2018-11-19 08:42:34.092] GAME: 08:42:34.092] GAME: SecPig/(Andy Catleay) Client SecPig/(Andy Catleay) has taken ownership of mob Andy Catleay(/mob/dead/observer) (Space (86, 155, 2))
[2018-11-19 08:42:34.132] GAME: 08:42:34.132] GAME: Explosion with size (0, 0, 2, 2) in (Space (86, 155, 2))

They proceeded to forget about oxygen and die which is honestly pretty funny. Nothing much happens for a while, I continue to try to be a fun host and think of challenges, and get a trivia round eventually. Eventually I notice another admin logged on during this period, havent really seen him on sybil before.

[2018-11-19 08:56:19.403] ACCESS: 08:56:19.403] ACCESS: Login: Rustledjimm from -censored(ip/cid)- || BYOND v512.1454
[2018-11-19 08:59:27.751] ADMIN: 08:59:27.751] ADMIN: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) checked the individual player panel for Zytolg/(Linda S. Scott).

They look at the captains status since elyina is pissed at the cap for not killing me and wanting the meme round to keep going on. During his time on I don't see a single thing posted by him in deadchat, ooc or anything, I can't really verify if they said shit in admin channel or whatever

About 5-10 mins after his login elyina looks at the player panel of me and the nuke op. Looks kind of normal, she probably would have seen that she was one of my objectives and calmed down

[2018-11-19 09:04:27.590] ADMIN: 09:04:27.590] ADMIN: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) checked antagonists.
[2018-11-19 09:04:29.204] ADMIN: 09:04:29.204] ADMIN: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) checked the individual player panel for Carshalash/(Amaretto).
[2018-11-19 09:04:31.773] ADMIN: 09:04:31.773] ADMIN: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) checked the individual player panel for *no key*/(Daniel Nadding).
[2018-11-19 09:17:00.930] ACCESS: 09:17:00.930] ACCESS: Logout: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker)

NOPE. When I see her later on in the round I honestly just believed that it was someone somehow finding her body and reviving her, and the dude left pretty fast after reviving which leads me to believe that she asked him to come just to do something like that which is pretty fucky on top of everything else. While i'm not really one to care too much about greentext, seeing that you were someones objective and still trying to get revived from another admin to cuck them out of greentext is super shitty. You have a lot of options to be able to reincorporate yourself into the round in some way especially as an admin.

Hopefully a headmin can look in the admin chat/ahelps of what happened that round and things aren't as bad as they look, because this is pretty upsetting.



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Re: [Elyina] Poor sportmanship/admin button fuckery.

Unread postby leibniz » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:07 am #457457

If she died in genetics then it would not be hard to find the body.

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Re: [Elyina] Poor sportmanship/admin button fuckery.

Unread postby carshalash » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:31 am #457458

[2018-11-19 09:15:19.208] ADMIN: 09:15:19.208] ADMIN: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) checked the individual player panel for Elyina/(Jessica Hunter).
[2018-11-19 09:15:20.654] ADMIN: 09:15:20.654] ADMIN: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) healed / Revived Elyina/(Jessica Hunter).

OOPS, I MADE A FUCKY WUCKY WITH MY POST.

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Re: [Elyina] Poor sportmanship/admin button fuckery.

Unread postby Rustledjimm » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:18 am #457471

I'm gonna bring up the ticket logs of the conversation between me and Elyina
Ticket with Elyina and relevant logs
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[2018-11-19 08:50:10.210] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #3: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter): this may be a salt ahelp so close it at your discretion. captain is openly allowing the malf AI to run the station to a gross degree. totally ignored me when I told it was malf and trying to kill me. stood there and did nothing when the AI depowered cloning to stop me from being cloned and appears to have hid my body under another one in genetics. it's gotten to the point that he made a captains announcement to get the AI to kill somebody for him. i think they've taken this too far and are abusing the position. - heard by 2 non-AFK admins who have +BAN.
[2018-11-19 08:58:15.772] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker)->Elyina/(Jessica Hunter): ok let me read this
[2018-11-19 08:58:56.301] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker)->Elyina/(Jessica Hunter): As the Captain? hmmm
[2018-11-19 08:59:00.310] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker)->Elyina/(Jessica Hunter): this is a bother I think

[2018-11-19 08:59:00.504] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter)->Rustledjimm/(Will Baker): thanks jim, btw i dont know for sure if he was one that hid my body i just know someone did it so if they deny doing it i have no proof

[2018-11-19 08:59:10.319] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker)->Elyina/(Jessica Hunter): caps name cause I'm lazy ty

[2018-11-19 08:59:20.139] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter)->Rustledjimm/(Will Baker): linda s scott

[2018-11-19 08:59:27.751] ADMIN: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) checked the individual player panel for Zytolg/(Linda S. Scott).

[2018-11-19 09:00:45.622] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker)->Elyina/(Jessica Hunter): reading through their logs before I speak with them, one moment

[2018-11-19 09:01:28.992] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker)->Elyina/(Jessica Hunter): looking at the logs they seem to think you were trying to subvert the AI, give me a moment
Elyina responded here in ASAY rather than PMs but it concerns the ticket
[2018-11-19 09:01:48.322] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) "not me there was another shaft miner with an emag " (Law Office (102, 155, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:02:00.923] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) "also captain is well aware of the AI being malf" (Fore Maintenance (97, 156, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:02:02.975] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) "hmmm ok" (Central Primary Hallway (118, 140, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:02:08.897] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) "he has been for a long time" (Fore Maintenance (99, 156, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:02:11.280] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) "when you say aware" (Central Primary Hallway (118, 140, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:02:16.983] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) "is that from you telling them?" (Central Primary Hallway (118, 140, 2))
[2018-11-19 09:02:21.311] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) "because what if they didn't believe you" (Central Primary Hallway (118, 140, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:02:34.463] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) "as in AI using the electrified arm with a borg shell in front of his eyes" (Head of Personnel's Office (103, 119, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:02:42.952] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) "hmmm" (Central Primary Hallway (118, 140, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:02:45.090] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) "and depowering cloning while i was being cloned in front of his eyes" (Head of Personnel's Office (103, 119, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:02:57.160] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) "There are a few interpretations that would allow that" (Central Primary Hallway (107, 140, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:03:01.328] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) "it depends on what they respond with" (Central Primary Hallway (107, 140, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:03:08.354] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) "technically a dead body is not a human" (Central Primary Hallway (107, 140, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:03:15.115] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) "AI was doing some gimmick of trying to force all female characters to wear a skirt and captain was supporting him" (Captain's Office (120, 129, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:03:18.952] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) "this is technical" (Central Primary Hallway (107, 140, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:03:22.743] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) "wait what" (Central Primary Hallway (107, 140, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:03:38.607] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) "why isn't he resp- " (Central Primary Hallway (126, 140, 2)) (this is regarding the fact it took Zytolg nearly 2 minutes to respond, as you can see via the timings I was typing this as they responded)

[2018-11-19 09:03:39.729] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) "ok" (Central Primary Hallway (126, 140, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:03:47.120] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) "AI wanted to force all females to wear a skirt as part of some "game" " (Central Primary Hallway (113, 143, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:03:57.910] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) "and captain made an announcement telling everyone to do it" (Central Primary Hallway (113, 143, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:04:17.279] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) "and insulted me for not playing along" (Brig (113, 166, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:10:03.209] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker)->Elyina/(Jessica Hunter): for logging reasons. They mentioned someone arresting you and you putting down a clown bomb?

[2018-11-19 09:10:54.216] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter)->Rustledjimm/(Will Baker): i don't know what he's talking about, no one ever tried to arrest me and i never put down any clown bomb. i spent my first bit of the round mining then doing research when the AI shell attacked me

[2018-11-19 09:12:39.261] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) "him saying the AI isn't harmful feels kind of bull considering i ran up to him in hysterics saying the AI tried to murder me and was screaming it over comms" (Starboard Primary Hallway (134, 129, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:13:20.130] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker)->Elyina/(Jessica Hunter): he's a bit retarded but I don't see a reason to punish him. I can ress you however.

[2018-11-19 09:14:07.266] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter)->Rustledjimm/(Will Baker): That would be appreciated. Thanks a lot for coming on to look at this. As long as captain knows what they did was wrong I'm satisfied

[2018-11-19 09:14:23.174] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker)->Elyina/(Jessica Hunter): well I've told him to deal with the AI more actively

[2018-11-19 09:14:35.738] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker)->Elyina/(Jessica Hunter): was your body destroyed

[2018-11-19 09:14:48.677] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter)->Rustledjimm/(Will Baker): i'll show you where its at

[2018-11-19 09:14:59.757] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter)->Rustledjimm/(Will Baker): underneath this guy

[2018-11-19 09:15:19.208] ADMIN: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) checked the individual player panel for Elyina/(Jessica Hunter).

[2018-11-19 09:15:20.654] ADMIN: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) healed / Revived Elyina/(Jessica Hunter).

[2018-11-19 09:15:49.740] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) "thanks jim i appreciate it" (Genetics Lab (152, 113, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:15:53.197] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) "np" (Genetics Lab (156, 119, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:16:25.510] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket <A HREF='?_src_=holder;admin_token=1217370109981386428726042289828410;ahelp=[0x2106cd9f];ahelp_action=ticket'>#3</A> resolved by <a href='?priv_msg=rustledjimm'>Rustledjimm</a>/(Will Baker)

[2018-11-19 09:16:32.358] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) "as kor once said" (Medbay Central (154, 119, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:16:39.266] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) "if something can be resolved by ressing someone" (Medbay Central (154, 119, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:16:44.130] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) "that&#39;s probably the best action to take" (Medbay Central (154, 119, 2))


Ticket with the Captain and relevant logs
Spoiler:
[2018-11-19 09:01:43.616] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker)->Zytolg/(Linda S. Scott): Hey there, let me know when you have a moment? Thanks

[2018-11-19 09:03:35.586] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Zytolg/(Linda S. Scott)->Rustledjimm/(Will Baker): What&#39;s up

[2018-11-19 09:03:54.140] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker)->Zytolg/(Linda S. Scott): Just curious what happened between you and Jessica? Just wnat your side of the story?

[2018-11-19 09:08:19.428] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Zytolg/(Linda S. Scott)->Rustledjimm/(Will Baker): Nothing really happened much to be honest. I just saw blood and circles and her, so I asked my officer to interrogate and let go. She didn&#39;t take it well so I called it off since she shouted about it over the radio anyhow. So she continued her thing and eventually put a clown bomb down. Sec officer chased her for that, I didn&#39;t really pay any mind to it (I don&#39;t really remeber that bit much since at that point I just didn&#39;t care). When amaretto declared skirts, I decided to play along. Jessica didn&#39;t want to and so I called her out for &#34;Not wearing a skirt to respect my homeland&#34;. That&#39;s honestly about it.

[2018-11-19 09:08:54.349] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) "i have no idea what he&#39;s talking about" (Bridge (116, 135, 2)) Elyina responding in asay about what Zytolg said

[2018-11-19 09:09:08.793] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker)->Zytolg/(Linda S. Scott): Alright, and what's the situation with the AI?

[2018-11-19 09:09:09.328] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Elyina/(Jessica Hunter) "no one ever tried arresting me and i never put any clown bomb" (Bridge (116, 135, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:09:48.793] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker) "hang on" (Central Primary Hallway (111, 140, 2))

[2018-11-19 09:10:18.656] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker)->Zytolg/(Linda S. Scott): Also who was the sec officer can I ask?

[2018-11-19 09:10:19.608] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Zytolg/(Linda S. Scott)->Rustledjimm/(Will Baker): I&#39;m pretty sure he is malf. But he hasn&#39;t really done anything too harmful so I&#39;m letting him do his thing until he poses an obvious threat. When that happens, I&#39;ve ensured that the station is prepared.

[2018-11-19 09:11:04.168] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Zytolg/(Linda S. Scott)->Rustledjimm/(Will Baker): It was Merick, but he&#39;s beed dead for a while so weater or not that matters, I dunno

[2018-11-19 09:13:02.179] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker)->Zytolg/(Linda S. Scott): Just saying as Cap you probably should stop the AI knowing it's malf. You can't really just let it run the station when you're supposed to be running it.... Just saying.

[2018-11-19 09:15:24.314] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Zytolg/(Linda S. Scott)->Rustledjimm/(Will Baker): Really I didn&#39;t just get confirmation until just a few seconds ago. Been waitng for that. And while you are correct, it&#39;s also rare to get a malf round that is acutally this interactive.
[2018-11-19 09:15:43.316] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker)->Zytolg/(Linda S. Scott): True, have fun anyhow.

[2018-11-19 09:15:56.217] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Zytolg/(Linda S. Scott)->Rustledjimm/(Will Baker): You too, if you&#39;re still in

[2018-11-19 09:16:07.636] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rustledjimm/(Will Baker)->Zytolg/(Linda S. Scott): I very rarely play and admin

[2018-11-19 09:16:22.038] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket <A HREF='?_src_=holder;admin_token=1217370109981386428726042289828410;ahelp=[0x2106ccdf];ahelp_action=ticket'>#5</A> resolved by <a href='?priv_msg=rustledjimm'>Rustledjimm</a>/(Will Baker)


Here are the logs for the tickets and other asay messages that are relevant to this situation. I have to admit looking back at this I should have taken you, the AI, into consideration when I only took the actions of the Captian and Elyina into consideration. For what it's worth I don't actually get on that well with Elyina and this interaction would have gone the same with a regular player.

The logs will confirm that's my entire involvement with this situation.
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Re: [Elyina] Poor sportmanship/admin button fuckery.

Unread postby elyina » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:30 am #457473

I adminhelped the capt as I believed they were acting in a highly irresponsible and uncaptain-like manner. They were more or less allowing a malf AI to run the station and ignored several reports of the AI being such. He was actually watching when you turned off genetics and got my clone killed, and he did nothing about it, then proceeded put my body underneath a braindead persons corpse (I'm not actually sure if it was him that did that bit) without attempting to scan me again. I requested for another admin to deal with the ticket on adminbus and jim offered to get on and deal with it. He agreed the captain was behaving very poorly and held a high degree of responsibility for what had happened to me so he offered me a revive which I accepted.
I spawned the lone operative as the round was stretching well past the hour mark in what I considered to be a rather stale and low quality round. They ultimately died near instantly in a rather embarrassing manner as you noted, so this had no real impact on anything. This was unrelated to my death as I was already considering spawning some kind of extra antag well before these events, but I will acknowledge that the timing does look bad in hindsight. Was gonna post the logs but I see Jim already took care of it.
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Re: [Elyina] Poor sportmanship/admin button fuckery.

Unread postby oranges » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:35 am #457485

For what it's worth I had a look at the discord logs and there isn't much discussion between elyina and rustled either, just a request for someone to look at a ticket and then a copy of the ticket body.

Nothing amiss there.
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Re: [Elyina] Poor sportmanship/admin button fuckery.

Unread postby BeeSting12 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:11 pm #457580

The complaint should be against Rustledjimm if you're complaining about the revive since he's the one who pressed the button, not Elyina. (In fact, Rustled offered the revive and Elyina accepted it, it's not like Elyina was begging for a revive or anything).

Revives are meant more for situations between two players where one was wrongfully killed rather than a situation where through someone's incompetence, someone got killed by an antagonist. It's unfair to the antagonist. Imagine finding your target in a vulnerable position, killing them, and then later on finding them at full health alive because someone accidentally and wrongfully left them in the vulnerable position so they got admin revived. It would feel unfair, right?

The lone operative part of the complaint feels similar to the one against stickymayhem a while back.

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Re: [Elyina] Poor sportmanship/admin button fuckery.

Unread postby NikNakFlak » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:42 pm #457593

Elyina knew the AI had killed them and still accepted the revive though, which is not very sportsmanlike even if Rustled was the one to offer it

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Re: [Elyina] Poor sportmanship/admin button fuckery.

Unread postby Cobby » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:06 am #457673

1. Rustled is really the centric point of the complaint, and he admitted fault. The Lone Op thing is lame and gay but not actionable unless this is consistent IMO (and even that needs scrutiny). As alluded to in the thread beesting linked, follow CYA (cover your a**).

2. Just FYI Sybil ranges from <1 hour to >3 with a common stopping point at the 2.5 hour mark so I recommend if you find the round stagnant at hour 1 to switch servers then come back and double check. The round might suddenly seem stagnant when you're no longer able to play in it 8)
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Re: [Elyina] Poor sportmanship/admin button fuckery.

Unread postby elyina » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:25 am #457718

NikNakFlak wrote:Elyina knew the AI had killed them and still accepted the revive though, which is not very sportsmanlike even if Rustled was the one to offer it

I think most people will accept an admin revive if it's offered, and at the time, true or not, I personally felt the captain was the most responsible for my death, which is why I adminhelped it in the first place. With an outsiders hindsight yeah I could see it as a valid personal criticism, but as it didn't involve me personally using any admin abilities or taking any admin action, it doesn't really full under the purview of an admin complaint.
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Re: [Elyina] Poor sportmanship/admin button fuckery.

Unread postby Rustledjimm » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:38 am #457735

I've admitted fault here. I didn't investigate enough and that reflected poorly on your round.

I just wanted to make it clear that this wasn't an admin scratching another admins back I'd have done precisely the same for a regular player.
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Re: [Elyina] Poor sportmanship/admin button fuckery.

Unread postby Arianya » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:38 am #457951

I've had to clean up a lot of peanut posts (or responses to such) in this thread.

As a reminder, for both players and admins, peanut policy applies in complaints exactly as it does appeals. If you are not citing a precedent, rules or logs, and you are not involved with the case at hand, you shouldn't be posting.

If you have questions about admin rulings, this is what Policy Discussion is for. If you just want to give your hot take on a situation, that's what General Discussion/NTR Hut is for.

This complaint should be dealt with in the near future. In the meantime please constrain yourselves.
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Re: [Elyina] Poor sportmanship/admin button fuckery.

Unread postby Arianya » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:01 am #459377

We've decided to uphold this complaint. While this is technically a complaint against Elyina, I feel its fairly clear that there were two parties at fault here.

Admins should always avoid using admin buttons when they've been involved in the round previously. Some exception is made for answering tickets where the ticket is not about the admin in question, but it's difficult to justify pressing event buttons like this, and the optics on it are terrible (besides which theres a natural difficulty with being objective about a round you've been in.) Elyina should take this on board and remember to avoid influencing the round with admin tools when they've been involved as a player.

A key factor of any ticket is investigation, investigation, investigation. In this case the round was made less enjoyable for several players simply by a failure to look into events deeply enough. I don't think this was malicious on Rustledjimm's part, but regardless negligence can (and in this case was) harmful to the enjoyment of others. Rustledjimm is reminded to fully investigate tickets before actioning them (whatever the action).
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