Headmin Election 9

Discuss policies and candidacies with the potential Headmins.

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Headmin Election 9

Postby oranges » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:01 am #477852

This time it has sparkles on it
Time to find some new Head admins everyone, who will work hard and write lots of policy posts for six months.

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1)Only post a candidate thread in this forum if you are planning on running - viewforum.php?f=38
2)You must not be permabanned or blacklisted
3)Do not ask headmins about a particular players conduct, generalise your question, this is not a forum to use the headmin candidates to attack other people
4)If you want to ask every single headmin a question, post your question here - viewforum.php?f=52 - read the rules, this subforum is strict, spamming your question across every candidate thread is a good way to get your question deleted.
5)Low effort posts deleted on candidate request
6)No bribes, or offers/things that could be construed as bribes, you'll get one warning, then you'll be disqualified. This includes coding PR's for votes.
7) Don't advertise on the codebase or abuse it's PR announcer for your own means
8)Do not campaign in the game in an IC fashion, such as Captains Announcements or Stations names etc. Keep it OOC and do not abuse your admin privileges such as global narrates and so forth.

General Discussion on elections/policy/stuff goes in here

Timelines: - Dates indicated are when polls close, so admin vote should start approx DDAY and close roughly 1 week later, etc etc

All dates /times are UTC + 0

Candidate entries close - 2nd of March
DDAY - 3rd of March voting begins
DDAY + 1 weeks voting complete by the 10th of March
Then there is a short transitional period for the old Head admins to hand over to the new ones, with the official switchover date being approx 15th March

Winners:
Host Vote (Usually granted to the headmins) - Wubli
Admin Vote - Nervere
Player Vote - Hulkamania
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby oranges » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:02 am #477853

List of candidates, in the order of their thread opening

You can review a candidates time spent playing in the last 60 days here:
https://sb.atlantaned.space/election

A big thank you to Atlanta Ned for working on this.

Subject217 - viewtopic.php?f=38&t=21732
MortoSasye - viewtopic.php?f=38&t=21736
RogueSteamPunker - viewtopic.php?f=38&t=21739
Hulkamania - viewtopic.php?f=38&t=21740
Iamgoofball - viewtopic.php?f=38&t=21741
Repukan - viewtopic.php?f=38&t=21743
Darkgenerallord - viewtopic.php?f=38&t=21744
Nervere - viewtopic.php?f=38&t=21749
Beesting12 - viewtopic.php?f=38&t=21750
Elyina - viewtopic.php?f=38&t=21756
LibbySnow - viewtopic.php?f=38&t=21778
RicardoFort - viewtopic.php?f=38&t=21804
Ambassador Magikarp - viewtopic.php?f=38&t=21855
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby oranges » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:48 pm #479983

You can review a candidates time spent playing in the last 60 days here:
https://sb.atlantaned.space/election

A big thank you to Atlanta Ned for working on this.
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby oranges » Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:40 am #480513

Candidate entry is now CLOSED
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby oranges » Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:10 am #480643

Candidate voting is now open.
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby oranges » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:07 am #480648

I forgot to put ricardo's thread in, so we're going to have to update the poll, please bear with us until MSO is available to do that.
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby Jordie0608 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:33 am #480658

The poll has been updated and votes have been wiped; if you already voted you will need to do so again.
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby oranges » Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:10 am #480681

Congratulations to the Host Pick: Wubli
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby oranges » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:06 am #481913

Provisional results
Please note that this outcome is provisional and is provided only for informational purposes, and MSO must ratify the result before it is final


Voting results

Raw: https://tgstation13.org/tgdb/irvpolltally.php?id=207

Filtered vote for admins: https://tgstation13.org/tgdb/irvpolltal ... rexg%3D%3D

Filtered vote for players: https://tgstation13.org/tgdb/irvpolltal ... hldg%3D%3D


As you can see, Nervere wins both polls after filtering.

Therefore, we select them as the winner of the admin vote, and do the player vote again, filtering out Nervere in a special zeroth round and redistributing votes granted to him as per the players vote preferences.

Filtered vote for players (excluding Nervere): https://tgstation13.org/tgdb/irvpolltal ... TmkA%3D%3D

This poll is won by Hulkamania

Final outcome pending ratification
Admin vote: Nervere
Player vote: Hulkamania

Again please note that these results are provisional, and subject to change as MSO needs to ratify them.

This concludes all voting, the new head admin team will formally transition to power on the 15th after the results have been ratified.
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby CitrusGender » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:13 am #481915

Runoff previously went to the admins last time, not the players.

Either the rules were changed this election and nobody was notified or I'm going crazy.

This should have been made more clear since that's how it happened two elections ago.
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby oranges » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:17 am #481916

I have changed the rules, simply because I think the player vote happens to be more important, and I'd much rather pick two people they like rather than two people the admin team prefers.

the outcome is the same either way.

Admin vote excluding nervere - https://tgstation13.org/tgdb/irvpolltal ... bX2w%3D%3D
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby PKPenguin321 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:20 am #481918

That, and the admin/player polls were combined this year. I don't recall if they were last year but if that's a new thing then that would affect it too
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby oranges » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:23 am #481920

MSO and I agreed to run a single poll, since there was no technical reason to run two, as people are filtered by their +ban permission in the admin vote and out of the player vote.

It was just a confusing thing for admin candidates and observers, not knowing what poll to vote in.
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby iamgoofball » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:41 am #481922

Congratulations to the victors. Hulkamania will ride again.

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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby CitrusGender » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:59 am #481926

oranges wrote:I have changed the rules, simply because I think the player vote happens to be more important, and I'd much rather pick two people they like rather than two people the admin team prefers.

the outcome is the same either way.

Admin vote excluding nervere - https://tgstation13.org/tgdb/irvpolltal ... bX2w%3D%3D


Was this rule change stated anywhere?
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby Qbopper » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:04 am #481927

CitrusGender wrote:
oranges wrote:I have changed the rules, simply because I think the player vote happens to be more important, and I'd much rather pick two people they like rather than two people the admin team prefers.

the outcome is the same either way.

Admin vote excluding nervere - https://tgstation13.org/tgdb/irvpolltal ... bX2w%3D%3D


Was this rule change stated anywhere?


yeah, what? i've been paying vaguely more attention to this election than usual and i didn't see this anywhere

it's not like it's an unreasonable stance but if it was just "i decided to change it" with no warning or consulting anybody that's very questionable
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby oranges » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:19 am #481933

no it wasn't stated anywhere, I just changed it.
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby elyina » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:01 am #481938

What exactly gives you the authority to do that? Why would you get to change that on a whim without consulting anybody because you feel a certain way?
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby Ayy Lemoh » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:06 am #481939

elyina wrote:What exactly gives you the authority to do that? Why would you get to change that on a whim without consulting anybody because you feel a certain way?

he won both polls.

does it matter which one he picks unless you go "one poll had more vote value than the other therefore it should be that one"

disregard this.
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby elyina » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:11 am #481940

That is beside the point. Has it not long been precedent that it's done the other way around? Why would he get to suddenly change that because he feels like it? This is also something that could effect future elections.
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby oranges » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:18 am #481941

the authority is that I'm the election official and therefore responsible for the elections and how they're conducted.
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby Ayy Lemoh » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:20 am #481942

Ah, I now realized why what Oranges did could be considered bad.

Someone told how that it is not the person who is in first that is the problem. It's the guy in second place. I get it all now. Why didn't you just say so, Elyina?

edit: hulkamania won both fucking times as well jesus. Well, as long as Oranges makes it official for next time then all is good.

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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby Qbopper » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:27 am #481943

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the person who is literally the one authority on the subject and has near absolute power over the elections to at least give like, a day's warning that the way votes are handled is gonna change

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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby MrStonedOne » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:54 am #481948

I'm certifying these results despite the questions risen in resolving ties order because results are the same.

Back when the votes were done separately the admin vote was done first IIRC, so it seems to make the most sense to keep it this way.

Before next election we will have all of this written in stone in the how the vote works thread.
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby iamgoofball » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:22 am #481961

elyina wrote:What exactly gives you the authority to do that? Why would you get to change that on a whim without consulting anybody because you feel a certain way?

he's the election manager you douchenozzle, get over it

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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby elyina » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:17 am #481982

oranges wrote:the authority is that I'm the election official and therefore responsible for the elections and how they're conducted.

Being an unelected """""""election official""""""" doesn't give you the power to arbitrarily decide which of two people should become headmin. And if you tried it I wouldn't foresee it going well for you. If you get to randomly make important decisions like this arbitrarily why can't we elect an "elections officer" too"?
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby oranges » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:17 am #481983

the same person wins either way bud
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby iamgoofball » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:00 am #481995

elyina wrote:
oranges wrote:the authority is that I'm the election official and therefore responsible for the elections and how they're conducted.

And if you tried it I wouldn't foresee it going well for you.


This sounds like a vague, unspecified threat. I suggest the admin team look into this potential threat to oranges. The madman could be threatening anything! Or inciting others to do scary things!

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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby obscolene » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:11 am #481997

elyina wrote:
oranges wrote:the authority is that I'm the election official and therefore responsible for the elections and how they're conducted.

Being an unelected """""""election official""""""" doesn't give you the power to arbitrarily decide which of two people should become headmin. And if you tried it I wouldn't foresee it going well for you. If you get to randomly make important decisions like this arbitrarily why can't we elect an "elections officer" too"?

Nervere placed first in both the player and admin vote. Hulkamania placed second in both the player and admin vote. Hulkamania won the player vote after Nervere was removed from the poll.
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby wubli » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:19 am #482000

iamgoofball wrote:
elyina wrote:What exactly gives you the authority to do that? Why would you get to change that on a whim without consulting anybody because you feel a certain way?

he's the election manager get over it

it doesn't really make sense when you complain about "corrupt pigs" or that mso lets headmins decide for him but then justify that with "he's the election manager get over it"
and i say this while i don't care about oranges being the election manager, i think he's ok
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby iamgoofball » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:50 am #482005

wubli wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:
elyina wrote:What exactly gives you the authority to do that? Why would you get to change that on a whim without consulting anybody because you feel a certain way?

he's the election manager get over it

it doesn't really make sense when you complain about "corrupt pigs" or that mso lets headmins decide for him but then justify that with "he's the election manager get over it"
and i say this while i don't care about oranges being the election manager, i think he's ok

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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby elyina » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:58 am #482006

iamgoofball wrote:
elyina wrote:
oranges wrote:the authority is that I'm the election official and therefore responsible for the elections and how they're conducted.

And if you tried it I wouldn't foresee it going well for you.


This sounds like a vague, unspecified threat. I suggest the admin team look into this potential threat to oranges. The madman could be threatening anything! Or inciting others to do scary things!

I suggest you suck my dick
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Talk about missing the point, I already addressed this. This is something that could affect future elections. Why should you get to decide that? I don't really find "i'm le important election man" to be an acceptable answer.
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby iamgoofball » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:00 am #482007

elyina wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:
elyina wrote:
oranges wrote:the authority is that I'm the election official and therefore responsible for the elections and how they're conducted.

And if you tried it I wouldn't foresee it going well for you.


This sounds like a vague, unspecified threat. I suggest the admin team look into this potential threat to oranges. The madman could be threatening anything! Or inciting others to do scary things!

I suggest you suck my dick

is this sexual harassment because I raised a issue about potential threats against members of our community?

I suggest elyina be permabanned without appeal and given a false ban reason. For security reasons.

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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby oranges » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:01 am #482008

elyina wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:
elyina wrote:
oranges wrote:the authority is that I'm the election official and therefore responsible for the elections and how they're conducted.

And if you tried it I wouldn't foresee it going well for you.


This sounds like a vague, unspecified threat. I suggest the admin team look into this potential threat to oranges. The madman could be threatening anything! Or inciting others to do scary things!

I suggest you suck my dick
oranges wrote:the same person wins either way bud

Talk about missing the point, I already addressed this. This is something that could affect future elections. Why should you get to decide that? I don't really find "i'm le important election man" to be an acceptable answer.

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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby Rustledjimm » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:13 pm #482031

I honestly don't really care. As long as oranges simply mentions when he's changing the rules and sets it in stone before the elections begin, he has the right to set the rules as long as MSO agrees and we have the right to know the rules of the election. Oranges failed on this second part but I'm sure he will rectify that and won't make the same mistake again.
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby MisterPerson » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:06 pm #482062

elyina wrote:Talk about missing the point, I already addressed this. This is something that could affect future elections. Why should you get to decide that? I don't really find "i'm le important election man" to be an acceptable answer.


This is something that could affect future playtime. Why should you get to decide that? I don't really find "i'm le important admin man" to be an acceptable answer.

If you think oranges is incompetent, attack his competency. If you think the decision is crap, attack the decision. But you can't attack the role itself, obviously the election manager is going to manage how the election is run including breaking ties and resolving conflicts.
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby wesoda25 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:53 pm #482107

The issue they have is that if oranges switches up the rules next time without anyone knowing, if the same person didn’t come in second place twice, he would effectively be choosing which candidate becomes headmin. Its not an attack at oranges competency, rather his transparency.

This stuff should be set in stone (by oranges) before the election process even begins, because next time we probably won’t get the grace period of having the same person in second place in both areas.

The hate on this one does seek misjudged, its not as if elyina would have won either way.
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby oranges » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:13 am #482137

dont' worry guys I'll write it down next time ahead of time
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Re: Headmin Election 9

Postby NikNakFlak » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:13 am #482138

that's all we ask
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