[Hbk2006] Dayban appeal

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[Hbk2006] Dayban appeal

Postby Mechafury » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:41 am #481750

Update:
I suppose i wont be getting unbanned before the nights over for me so ill leave it at that you can delete this post just wanted to voice my side since i was not really given opportunity to do so.


Byond account and character name: Mechafury - Keith Benford

Banning admin: Hbk2006

Ban type (What are you banned from?): 24 Hour

Ban reason and length: Was shoved- immediately killed. first time ban been informed to make self familiar with our server rules.

Time ban was placed (including time zone):2019-03-07 6:50 EST

Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Bagil

Your side of the story:
Was told I Was banned for "Immediately" killing when that was far from the case, This was a Long Conflict In a SS13 Sense, I Gave The Gentleman/Cat/creature/Greytide Ample Opportunities to leave my office after breaking in and shoving me multiple times so i axed him 3 Times And then i was pushed disarmed and Attacked Numerous times in a row requiring me to go to the med bay - I only survived because another bystander saw what happened and assisted me. The moderator failed to look at the whole log and time stamps to see that i opened the door multiple times wanting him to leave. but he refused to leave and continued to grief in my Hydroponics bay without Saying a single word except "Stop it hurt" after i managed to attack him multiple times. To which I opened the door and again he refused to leave and just ran around my Hydro bay

Sure i will admit i may have been a little nicer but i do not think that would have solved any problems, Should i have been able to message an admin to to solve my problem. No because that is a waste of time and admins. But clearly i should have because now I am banned for the night when I only get one night off every 2 weeks. So being banned with no warning what so ever because a hyper sensitive person wanted to break into anyone's office and not feel the repercussions?

Asking me to get familiar with the rules... Rule 1 Precedents.
You may defend your workplace from trespassers who damage or steal property within that space with significantly greater force than elsewhere. If someone is severely disruptive and returns after ejected, this opens them up to "fun" of the creative workplace death variety. - Warranted Broke Into my office with refusal to talk or Leave

Random murders are not acceptable nor is the killing of other players for poor or little reasoning such as ‘My character is insane’
- Was Far from a random murder if the Greytide in question broke into my office and started a conflict. Only became murder in self defense after i was Saved by a random stranger, otherwise I would have been the one who was killed and wasted admins time to report


Honestly its not a big deal if I do not get unbanned Its only 24 hours but now i will not be able to play for another 2 weeks. I just think the mod who banned me should really have looked at all the information instead of just one small conflict and would have noticed through the timestamps that this was a very long and drawn out conflict. in no ways was instigated by me but i sure as shit ended it.

You only seemed to look at this part but this is only a small part to the entire Story and Clearly Nelson Intention was to kill me after... and yet im banned because someone saved my life and he got gang beat in my office.

Nelson Ludwig shoves Keith Benford, knocking them down!
Nelson Ludwig shoves Keith Benford!
Keith Benford has chopped Nelson Ludwig in the head with the hatchet!
Keith Benford has cut Nelson Ludwig in the head with the hatchet!
Keith Benford has cut Nelson Ludwig in the head with the hatchet!
Nelson Ludwig shoves Keith Benford onto the glass table!
Keith Benford has punched Nelson Ludwig!
The glass table breaks!
Keith Benford has been hit by the shard.
Nelson Ludwig has torn Keith Benford in the head with the hatchet!
Nelson Ludwig has cut Keith Benford in the chest with the hatchet!x2


You actually Said to me:
our attack logs do not match your description. It shows him shove you, you attack him with a hatchet and kill him he shoves you once more in thie time and disarms once while you try to kill him. You then actually kill.
Then banned me?

Apparently you refused to see that nelson also nearly hatchet-ed me to death
Last edited by PKPenguin321 on Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:04 am, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: Rectified title



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Re: Delete Post - Does Not Matter

Postby PKPenguin321 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:04 am #481765

Approved it anyways since there is still a chance that this will retroactively undo the ban and keep the note off of you
i play Lauser McMauligan. clown name is Cold-Ass Honkey
i have three other top secret characters as well
tell the best admin how good he is
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Re: [Hbk2006] Dayban appeal

Postby hbk2006 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:11 pm #481797

Hello, so your ban appeal has been denied.

After you posted it was discussed in admin chat last night and we decided it was to stick. We looked through the attack logs and the communication between the two of you at the time.

It is unreasonable for you to kill someone the first time they break into your department and only for shoving you, this is not a reasonable reaction to start hitting them with a hatchet.

We don't actually have logs of anyone opening doors so we can't take that into consideration, however even if he didn't leave you should have called for security. Or just left your self an ran to security asking for assistance, the logs did not show he had any intention of killing you.
there was no communication verbally from you asking him to leave or asking for help of anyone else like security.
He did defend himself momentarily when you started to hit him with the hatchet and during this confrontation asked you stop.
After you killed him you did not clone him either, you should have cloned and mentioned what happened to security.

If he had continually broken into your department on more than one occasion and perhaps has done something more egregious than just a shove then you would have had justification.

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Re: [Hbk2006] Dayban appeal

Postby kopoba » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:10 pm #482023

Since i involved in to this incident i want to write some words.
I was Nelson and i was botanist that walks in to my workplace.
Here is how i got my new job.
2019-03-07 23:19:38 137 129 2 Central Primary Hallway SAY Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) "YOU ARE BANANA"
2019-03-07 23:19:53 137 129 2 Central Primary Hallway SAY Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) "gimme job"
2019-03-07 23:20:11 139 129 2 Head of Personnel's Office SAY Knoxinal/(Aislynn Snow) "Well, since you called me a banana."


here is whole attack logs when i came to my workplace. 2 pushes from me without any harm or damage and then followed by 3 strikes with hatchet from botanist.
Spoiler:
2019-03-07 23:20:54 129 146 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) has shoved Mechafury/(Keith Benford) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 91)
2019-03-07 23:21:04 126 149 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) has shoved Mechafury/(Keith Benford) (NEWHP: 91)
2019-03-07 23:21:04 126 147 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Mechafury/(Keith Benford) has attacked Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) with hatchet (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 88)
2019-03-07 23:21:06 126 150 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Mechafury/(Keith Benford) has attacked Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) with hatchet (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 76)
2019-03-07 23:21:12 129 152 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Mechafury/(Keith Benford) has attacked Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) with hatchet (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 64)
At this point i get that prank goes wrong and do some defence actions with 3 hurt punchis(number of time he slashed me first) with opponents weapon.
2019-03-07 23:21:13 129 151 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) has shoved Mechafury/(Keith Benford) with onto the glass table (NEWHP: 91)
2019-03-07 23:21:13 129 153 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Mechafury/(Keith Benford) has punched Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) (NEWHP: 61)
2019-03-07 23:21:18 129 152 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) has attacked Mechafury/(Keith Benford) with hatchet (INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 69)
2019-03-07 23:21:19 129 152 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) has attacked Mechafury/(Keith Benford) with hatchet (INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 57)
2019-03-07 23:21:20 129 152 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) has attacked Mechafury/(Keith Benford) with hatchet (INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 45)
then i try to cease this bad situation
2019-03-07 23:21:24 129 150 2 Hydroponics SAY Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) "stop it"
2019-03-07 23:21:33 126 151 2 Hydroponics SAY Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) "it hurts"
Since i was thinking that incident was ended. I give hatchet back to opponent not in him
2019-03-07 23:21:42 129 145 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) has thrown the hatchet
2019-03-07 23:21:42 129 151 2 Hydroponics SAY Mechafury/(Keith Benford) "gimme my hatchet"
Then incident start again opponent was ruining around to beat me with hatchet when i was trying to stop him best as i can without doing any harm.
2019-03-07 23:21:55 131 152 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Mechafury/(Keith Benford) has attacked [Hydroponics] with the hatchet
2019-03-07 23:22:00 128 147 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Mechafury/(Keith Benford) has attacked Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) with hatchet (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 49)
2019-03-07 23:22:01 128 147 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Mechafury/(Keith Benford) has attacked Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) with hatchet (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 37)
2019-03-07 23:22:02 128 147 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Mechafury/(Keith Benford) has attacked Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) with hatchet (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 25)
2019-03-07 23:22:02 127 147 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) has shoved Mechafury/(Keith Benford) (NEWHP: 45)
2019-03-07 23:22:03 129 147 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Mechafury/(Keith Benford) has attacked Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) with hatchet (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 16)
2019-03-07 23:22:03 128 147 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) has shoved Mechafury/(Keith Benford) (NEWHP: 45)
2019-03-07 23:22:04 130 147 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Mechafury/(Keith Benford) has attacked Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) with hatchet (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 4)
2019-03-07 23:22:04 129 147 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) has shoved Mechafury/(Keith Benford) (NEWHP: 45)
Wild assistant appears and they both end my short botanist life
2019-03-07 23:22:11 130 151 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Dr_XField/(Daemon Hunter) has punched Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) (NEWHP: 1)
2019-03-07 23:22:12 131 151 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Dr_XField/(Daemon Hunter) has punched Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) (NEWHP: 0)
2019-03-07 23:22:14 131 151 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Dr_XField/(Daemon Hunter) has punched Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) (NEWHP: -3)
2019-03-07 23:22:15 131 151 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Dr_XField/(Daemon Hunter) has punched Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) (NEWHP: -6)
2019-03-07 23:22:16 130 152 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Mechafury/(Keith Benford) has attacked Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) with hatchet (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -15)
2019-03-07 23:22:16 131 151 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Dr_XField/(Daemon Hunter) has punched Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) (NEWHP: -20)
2019-03-07 23:22:18 130 152 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Mechafury/(Keith Benford) has attacked Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) with hatchet (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -29)
2019-03-07 23:22:18 131 151 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Dr_XField/(Daemon Hunter) has punched Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) (NEWHP: -36)
2019-03-07 23:22:18 130 152 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Mechafury/(Keith Benford) has attacked Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) with hatchet (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -48)
2019-03-07 23:22:19 131 151 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Dr_XField/(Daemon Hunter) has punched Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) (NEWHP: -53.9)
2019-03-07 23:22:19 130 152 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Mechafury/(Keith Benford) has attacked Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) with hatchet (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -62.9)
ect till i die
2019-03-07 23:22:24 131 152 2 Hydroponics EMOTE Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless...
an 10-15 more punchis
2019-03-07 23:22:33 130 152 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Mechafury/(Keith Benford) has attacked Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) with hatchet (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -194.2)
then i was stuffed in to disposal by that dude who help botanist in killing me
2019-03-07 23:22:44 131 151 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Dr_XField/(Daemon Hunter) has grabbed Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) passive grab (NEWHP: -207.2)
2019-03-07 23:22:50 125 152 2 Hydroponics ATTACK Dr_XField/(Daemon Hunter) has stuffed Kopoba/(Nelson Ludwig) into the disposal unit (NEWHP: -207.2)

original logs can be found here https://sb.atlantaned.space/rounds/1031 ... ame/page/2

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Re: [Hbk2006] Dayban appeal

Postby Hulkamania » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:49 am #483631

I'm going to be denying this appeal.

The man you killed had rightful access to the department via the Head of Personnel and you immediately jumped to assaulting him with an axe. This isn't a case of someone breaking into your department and repeatedly doing things to you, this is an instance of you killing your new coworker for shoving you with disarm intent.

All in all this was just a day ban and doesn't reflect too poorly on your record. I'd recommend being extra careful in the future and ensure that the person you're killing is actually valid in the first place.


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