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Re: Vampire: The Masquarade also Bloodlines Two (2) 2020 edition

Postby cedarbridge » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:27 pm #498340

Takeguru wrote:But that's boring
The apparent insanity, even if it skirts the line of being lolsorandumb, makes it fun

Though I'd be amused to see some sort of fish joke pop up somewhere, I doubt they'd do it. The BL1 references to confusion and lolrandum were decently interesting (Talking to a stop sign, interrogating the newsreader on the TV, that sort of thing.)

That said, the interviews with the story writer have been riding the lines of "old malks were insensitive." This is what is giving people pause to wonder if they'll water them down to file off some of the edges.



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Postby Lumbermancer » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:04 pm #498346

well at least you can be a transvamp now
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Postby Screemonster » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:18 pm #498349

Lumbermancer wrote:well at least you can be a transvamp now

baby I don't care

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Postby Lumbermancer » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:51 pm #498355

>he doesn't care about Velvet
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Postby Screemonster » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:54 pm #498373

> he doesn't recognise the title or how it relates to his post

Spoiler:

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Postby Lumbermancer » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:10 pm #498377

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Postby Drynwyn » Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:54 pm #502344

XSI wrote:That [Soapboxing about politics in video games] tends to be a bad sign

I mean, my World of Darkness tabletop game was HEAVILY motivated by my politics, and you seemed to enjoy that! :P

That said: WoD has always been a pretty political game- the three main vampire factions are extraordinarily transparent metaphors for existing political ideologies. (I mean, shit, one of the Anarchs in the original was running around in a che guevara hat if I recall correctly) "How do you cope and survive individually in the context of a system whose primary players are all grotesque" is the big question of the games. And given the increasing relevance of that question- I'd be frankly disappointed if it wasn't making a clear political point.
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Postby Whoisthere » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:21 am #502400

I'm here to shill Clan Quest Mod for the first Bloodlines. In case you didn't play it already, you can join Sabbat and diablerize dorks, and the Sabbat part is done pretty well, in my opinion. Joined for diablerie stayed for the plot/characters. Evil, but not cartoonish - heck, Andrei the tzimisce looks cartoonish compared to Sabbat pack leaders. Non-sabbat-related content is good too.
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Postby Screemonster » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:51 am #502402

Drynwyn wrote:That said: WoD has always been a pretty political game

reminder that changeling the dreaming literally had a thing in its history called the "night of iron knives" in which the sidhe conducted a purge of commoner leaders and sparked off a civil war

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Postby cedarbridge » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:30 pm #502658

Drynwyn wrote:
XSI wrote:That [Soapboxing about politics in video games] tends to be a bad sign

I mean, my World of Darkness tabletop game was HEAVILY motivated by my politics, and you seemed to enjoy that! :P

That said: WoD has always been a pretty political game- the three main vampire factions are extraordinarily transparent metaphors for existing political ideologies. (I mean, shit, one of the Anarchs in the original was running around in a che guevara hat if I recall correctly) "How do you cope and survive individually in the context of a system whose primary players are all grotesque" is the big question of the games. And given the increasing relevance of that question- I'd be frankly disappointed if it wasn't making a clear political point.

You're mixing metaphors though. Nobody is claiming that WoD doesn't have internal political elements. That was a lot of what made Bloodlines interesting to begin with: factions politicking each other and the player as a sort of go-between patsy. People just get turned off quickly by injections of current events that will age poorly or just exist to draw attention to the writer's personal political faction.

Like that uncle at dinner who can't go three minutes into the potatoes without talking about his own personal politics.

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Postby Grazyn » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:48 pm #502660

What exactly is gonna age poorly? Sex/gender politics, which have been around since the sixties, order vs anarchy, left vs right?

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Postby Super Aggro Crag » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:05 pm #502663

Considering a recent WOD book revealed that Gamergayte was actually created by a female hacker internet beast who wanted to farm the alt-right so she could eat them: that
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Postby Malkevin » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:39 pm #502669

Rebecca Watson?
Yeah, I heard she sucks.
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Postby cedarbridge » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:56 pm #502686

Grazyn wrote:What exactly is gonna age poorly? Sex/gender politics, which have been around since the sixties, order vs anarchy, left vs right?

Watchdogs 2-tier "orange-man-but-not-in-name bad" references, unironic deferences to Gamergate, etc

Devs have been doing that shit for years and its all very tedious and tiresome. You can have factional politics without injecting political events from the C U R R E N T Y E A R into the game too.

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Postby Super Aggro Crag » Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:03 pm #502689

grazyns just gonna be like but that stuff is AWESOME are you just MAD be cause it DISAGREES WITH YOU like usual because his entire personality is being a contrarian pasta pounding fettuccine faggot
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Postby Grazyn » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:45 am #502747

cedarbridge wrote:
Grazyn wrote:What exactly is gonna age poorly? Sex/gender politics, which have been around since the sixties, order vs anarchy, left vs right?

Watchdogs 2-tier "orange-man-but-not-in-name bad" references, unironic deferences to Gamergate, etc

Devs have been doing that shit for years and its all very tedious and tiresome. You can have factional politics without injecting political events from the C U R R E N T Y E A R into the game too.

I'm not saying it's necessarily good, I can see how negative references to those things can be annoying to some. But if Trump's presidency is really gonna have a GREAT impact on America with lasting consequences, I doubt those references to current events will age poorly. Imagine an early 2000s game not mentioning the war on terror, or a game set in the 60s not referencing the cold war, civil rights issues etc.
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Postby Lumbermancer » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:35 am #502750

Did you just compare Trump to Cold War?
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Postby cedarbridge » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:59 pm #502790

Grazyn wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
Grazyn wrote:What exactly is gonna age poorly? Sex/gender politics, which have been around since the sixties, order vs anarchy, left vs right?

Watchdogs 2-tier "orange-man-but-not-in-name bad" references, unironic deferences to Gamergate, etc

Devs have been doing that shit for years and its all very tedious and tiresome. You can have factional politics without injecting political events from the C U R R E N T Y E A R into the game too.

I'm not saying it's necessarily good, I can see how negative references to those things can be annoying to some. But if Trump's presidency is really gonna have a GREAT impact on America with lasting consequences, I doubt those references to current events will age poorly. Imagine an early 2000s game not mentioning the war on terror, or a game set in the 60s not referencing the cold war, civil rights issues etc.
It's hard to see History when you're inside it.

Lots of early 2000s games managed to not mention terrorism at all.

Also, saying "its hard to see history when you're inside it" is all the more reason to stop injecting personal politics into things. What you think is a /big deal/ often isn't and just ends up coming out as obnoxious.

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Postby Malkevin » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:43 pm #502806

Yeah, 2000s were just nazi or alien shooters for the most part
Wasn't until the 2010s that BLOODY SCREEN SO REAL sandpeople shooters became big
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Postby Grazyn » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:12 am #502812

Wut, I'm talking about games with a contemporary setting, like this one. Of course sci fi or WW2 games wouldn't have you killing brown people, don't be dense. Wasn't the first modern warfare before 2010, with much of the plot being faux Iraq invasion? What about soldier of fortune, which was even earlier? Splinter cell? I recall middle eastern terrorism being a big thing with fps and action games in that period

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Postby Super Aggro Crag » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:04 am #502823

grazyn obviously never played any of those games because you fought russian supercommies in those games, and this was pre-2016 when the Powers that Be decided the Cold War Was Back On because ITS HER TURN
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Postby Grazyn » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:33 am #502847

I played soldier of fortune and I recall literally seeing SADDAM FUCKING HUSSEIN through my sniper optics, the fuck are you on?

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Postby Super Aggro Crag » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:59 am #502857

Soldier of fortune came out before the iraq war dumpass
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Postby Malkevin » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:55 am #502861

I remember the first SoF being shooting neo-nazis then africans and then russians
Second one was shooting Cold War Commies, then South Americans (in a war on drugs, another 80s reference), then nipps.
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Postby Grazyn » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:31 pm #502864

Super Aggro Crag wrote:Soldier of fortune came out before the iraq war dumpass

Holy shit do you think the war on terror happened in a vacuum? Do you even know that your country bombed Baghdad in '98/99 or so?

inb4 "We bomb so many countries it's hard to keep track"

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Postby Malkevin » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:01 pm #502879

Keep moving the goal posts spaghettio
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Postby Grazyn » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:17 pm #502881

My goal post is "it's normal for games with a contemporary setting to reference contemporary events" and you're nitpicking the examples I pulled from memory while missing the bigger picture. Yes, SoF had some missions set in Iraq despite being released before the 2003 Iraq war, because Iraq instability was very much relevant even then. Duh, you wouldn't have invaded it a couple years later if it wasn't, despite it being completely unrelated to 9/11. Speaking of SoF, one of the first missions was set in Kosovo, another C U R R E N T E V E N T which I guess aged very poorly according to your argument.

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Postby Super Aggro Crag » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:29 pm #502888

Grazyn wrote:
Super Aggro Crag wrote:Soldier of fortune came out before the iraq war dumpass

Holy shit do you think the war on terror happened in a vacuum? Do you even know that your country bombed Baghdad in '98/99 or so?

inb4 "We bomb so many countries it's hard to keep track"

In 99 i was playing Unreal Tournament, a game in which, surprisingly enough, they dont mention Iraq OR the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal.

Coincidentally UT is still installed on my PC and I go back and play it frequently.
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Postby Grazyn » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:51 pm #502889

Super Mario 64 came out in 96 and didn't feature the Srebrenica Massacre, I guess my argument is void

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Postby cedarbridge » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:14 pm #502891

You're all kinda missing the point of my original post though. Its entirely possible (as Bloodlines 1 and multitudes of games have already) do inter-group politics in contemporary settings without a need to go full fucking Cliffy B: https://img.fireden.net/v/image/1502/34 ... 991867.png

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Postby Grazyn » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:29 pm #502937

cedarbridge wrote:You're all kinda missing the point of my original post though. Its entirely possible (as Bloodlines 1 and multitudes of games have already) do inter-group politics in contemporary settings without a need to go full fucking Cliffy B: https://img.fireden.net/v/image/1502/34 ... 991867.png

Yeah that's a bad way to insert a reference. Because he took a current event, then used it to create a situation which is the complete opposite of it. If the government is banning transgender bathrooms NOW, why would you have them in the FUTURE? If anything, you could use it to describe a future where lgbt people are put in death camps or something.

That's not what bloodlines seems to be doing. First of all, it's set in the present. And the "I identify with an attack helicopter" people may be weird and mentally ill, but they still exist right now. So making references to them or their lifestyle, how it may create conflict with normal people etc... isn't a stretch, it's just something that is happening in our time.

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Postby Takeguru » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:41 pm #503006

The point is, modern devs love to insert references that aren't going to age well at all
Until proven otherwise, I'm fully expecting an evil orange vampire with a weird haircut, trying his best to hoard money to build a wall to keep werewolves out
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Postby Anonmare » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:37 am #503070

Remember when werewolves had to fuck actual wolves to make more werewolves? They need to be kept out the mangy mutts
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Postby XSI » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:34 pm #503087

Drynwyn wrote:
XSI wrote:That [Soapboxing about politics in video games] tends to be a bad sign

I mean, my World of Darkness tabletop game was HEAVILY motivated by my politics, and you seemed to enjoy that! :P

That said: WoD has always been a pretty political game- the three main vampire factions are extraordinarily transparent metaphors for existing political ideologies. (I mean, shit, one of the Anarchs in the original was running around in a che guevara hat if I recall correctly) "How do you cope and survive individually in the context of a system whose primary players are all grotesque" is the big question of the games. And given the increasing relevance of that question- I'd be frankly disappointed if it wasn't making a clear political point.


Bit late because the forum gave me shit not resetting my password until now(And I haven't bothered to check the games section for a while)
But there's the thing

I trust you to do the politics in a reasonable way, and my trust there was correct
I don't trust modern game devs, as they have a history of being as subtle as a sledgehammer with the design skill of a toddler
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Postby Shadowflame909 » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:40 pm #503097

Oh no my fun soap opera vampire game is involving real world politics

this is gonna be dated or bad

hopefully not both
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Postby Anonmare » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:16 pm #503159

I miss Vampire being about the personal horror of a kindred, what they've become, the predatations of vampire society and the things they need to do to survive. I hate superheroes with fangs
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