Subject217 - Inconsistent upholding of shitsec rules

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Subject217 - Inconsistent upholding of shitsec rules

Postby 000 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:53 am #488678

[antonkr] mcgriffon - sec jobban
[petethegoat] blindinggriffin - bullshit ban
[intigracy] griff4eva - ban evasion missunderstanding

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Byond account and character name: KiwiNull
Banning admin: Subject217
Ban type (What are you banned from?): Server
Ban reason and length: 2 weeks
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2:44 AM Monday, April 8, 2019 Eastern Time (ET)
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Event

As a Clown, was given all access by the Captain. He then ran to the armory to get a gun to defend himself and was detained by Security and had his all access and other captain gear stripped from him, and was then let go at the Captain's insistence. He then proceeded to wage a sort of war against Security with getting guns from Cargo and using Captain's announcements to encourage people to attack Security. Security then killed him for this. He then had the audacity to ahelp this, and when he did so he left out the big detail where he intentionally encouraged people to attack Security using Captain's announcements.

Finally, after being rightfully killed, having already ahelped his problem, and taking a posibrain borg, he proceeded to metagrudge Security and break Silicon policy (asimov) by running over to security, shocking multiple airlocks and then bolting open all the entrances to the armory, and then lied in ahelps to me about why he did it.

I will say this in conclusion. You have a massive personality issue and if you continue to behave this way you are not going to be staying much longer on this server.

Admins have banned me from security roles for even accidentally killing someone. In the event that someone purposefully murders authorized, non-violent personnel for arming themselves to protect their ID, I am treated to this. My audacity comes from expecting the rules to be applied evenhandedly. If it is bad for security to kill non-violent characters, then it should always be bad for security to kill non-violent characters.

The interesting footnote about a personality issue is indicative that this person, who I have never met before, has some reason to be partial on this issue. The ban length is about half the time I've even been on the server and it's preposterous.

Security on Event is absolute trash. The people who play security usually have no idea what they're doing, are intrusive and disruptive to the flow of the game, and have a complete and total inability to use language. The warden did not ever once talk to me before opening fire. As I've been seriously penalized for killing in the past, I never returned or initiated lethal fire on them out of fear of being penalized by staff for things the security in this instance were decided in favor of.

I don't even think I want to keep playing on /tg/ seeing as the staff have some sort of weird grudge shit going on, but I will say that security on Event is so bad it is affecting the general atmosphere and fun factor on the server. It's been getting noticeably worse over the time I've been on the server and I've seen a lot of chatter about how negatively they've been impacting rounds.

PostThis post was deleted by Jordie0608 on Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:12 am.
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Re: Subject217 - Inconsistent upholding of shitsec rules

Postby subject217 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:11 pm #488718

Hi there. I'm not entirely sure why you appealed this because you just seem to be complaining about Security.

Security is not obligated to let anyone into the armory because they were given access. The rules make it pretty clear, people who rush into the armory are valid. Not only is it totally reasonable for Sec to apprehend a clown with AA rushing into one of the most restricted areas but they could have killed you then and there if they wanted to. Your response to getting off quite easy in this regard is wholly unreasonable and bordering on self antagging, which is something you also encouraged quite a lot of other gullible people to do. You also completely left out a huge part of the story in your ahelp, even when I gave you a chance to clarify. You respawning as a posibrain borg and proceeding to metagrudge security for having killed you was the icing on the fucking cake here and removed any iota of sympathy I had for you. If you actually read our rules maybe you would understand how poorly you're following them when you do things like this.

In terms of the ban itself, this ban is appropriate for your actions, and in terms of duration it is not out of the ordinary or unreasonable. I had hoped that maybe the 2 week ban would make you realize that you are doing something wrong but this appeal proves you have not learned anything.

In conclusion, I probably should have permabanned you and gotten it over with, that is probably what you will lead yourself to in the future. I see no issue with the ban having reviewed it so from my end this appeal is denied.
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Re: Subject217 - Inconsistent upholding of shitsec rules

Postby wubli » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:40 pm #488725

I think it's relevant to say that your first connection was on March 19th, and since then you've managed to get banned four different times including this one, yet you seem to believe you know how all bans are handled. Not to mention this is a huge complaint about the Event Hall's players, while you ignore what the problem here is: you got into IC conflict, you got killed for it, and then proceeded to break rules by spawning as a posibrain borg and continuing with your grudge.

We have three other servers with much more experienced people if you'd like to play with them, but considering your attitude is abrasive and you don't seem to like our servers, feel free to go somewhere else.

As for the ban being appealed: I believe subject's reasoning is perfect. They do not hold a grudge, they don't know and probably couldn't care less about you. You broke the rules, you omitted important information in ahelps and got banned for it. That's all there is to it.

Take these two weeks to read our rules, or find a server that you like more. This appeal is denied.
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