[NecromancerAnne] Saltshaker65 - unfair ban

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[NecromancerAnne] Saltshaker65 - unfair ban

Postby Saltshaker65 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:02 am #497561

Byond account and character name:Saltshaker65 Rob Blesdoe
Banning admin: NecromancerAnne
Ban type (What are you banned from?): Server
Ban reason and length: Trashed the bar and robbed the bartender in a 'sec party', when the bartender later expressed his displeasure, beat him into crit with his fellow sec officer and didn't tend to his wounds. This is blatantly horrid and escalation and abuse of power.
time ban was placed (including time zone): 7:22:36
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Bagil
Your side of the story: I walked into bar after recently confiscating the bartenders firearm(for RP Reasons) because he had no permit for it. After walking in, he demanded the gun back, and when I told him no. He ran at me and started trying to disarm me. In my split second reaction, I used my bayonet's One shot then hit him twice while he was down because I had no cuffs on me. In hindsight, this was an overreaction. I didn't tend to his wounds because I handed him off to a fellow security officer named Big Tony because my commanding officer called me to brig to return an ID. I was intending to return the shotgun on return to see if he was ok. I did end up returning the shotgun,but I really wasnt given the opportunity to explain or redeem/justify myself. I then was Ahelped a few minutes after, she listed the reasons for my ban, and when I tried to explain to her that her reasons were either not correlated to me, misconstrued, or overall completely uninformed. I never got a response from her other than her saying I was in the wrong. Leaving me no opportunity to defend my case. She said I trashed the bar even though the supposed robbery happened as soon as I even entered the bar. I confiscated (in her words stole the gun) because of him saying earlier that he had no permit for the weapon. She says the bartender expressed displeasure but does not specify that he went to attack and disarm me which completely changes my response(which was a bit much) from being reasonable to reactionary. I also did not tend to wounds because my commanding officer, like i said many times in my many attempts for redemption, called me to brig,so I left him in the hands of another competent officer on scene. It was not an abuse of power but more of misunderstanding and rushing in with the banhammer. She said she would ban me at end of the round, but I ended up getting banned in the middle of an intense and important arrest/chase.
Why I should be unbanned:I think this ban was both poorly informed and rash on NecromancerAnne's part. She did not respond to any of my tickets with the intent to help but instead tried to just ban me outright without listening to my half of the story. While my initial reaction was an overreaction, It should not be a bannable offense because I made attempts to resolve it in character. This ban was unjust, unfair, and uninformed which shows the negligence and impulsive decision-making of NecromancerAnne.

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Re: [NecromancerAnne] Saltshaker65 - unfair ban

Postby Yakumo_Chen » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:47 am #497570

Related, the barman is allowed to have a shotgun, it's part of his starting items.

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Re: [NecromancerAnne] Saltshaker65 - unfair ban

Postby Saltshaker65 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:57 am #497571

I said for ROLEPLAYING reasons. He said he didnt have a permit for it in character but wanted to get one. Its the reason why I took it in the first place

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Re: [NecromancerAnne] Saltshaker65 - unfair ban

Postby ATHATH » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:40 pm #497698

Saltshaker65 wrote:I said for ROLEPLAYING reasons. He said he didnt have a permit for it in character but wanted to get one. Its the reason why I took it in the first place

Did you bring up his lack of a permit or did he?

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Re: [NecromancerAnne] Saltshaker65 - unfair ban

Postby Saltshaker65 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:54 pm #497705

He brought it up

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Re: [NecromancerAnne] Saltshaker65 - unfair ban

Postby John_Gobbel » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:48 am #497803

Keep in mind that it's generally considered being a dick if you enforce on non-important laws and/or use them to bully the crew, especially if you are aware that they are, in fact, not breaking the law.
The correct thing to do here would have been to inform the bartender that he does, indeed, have a permit for his shotgun and to move on. Instead, it seems you decided to escalate and injure the bartender for "RP Reasons."

I can't seem to find the exact ruling on it, but from my knowledge I seem to remember it being common that RP does not excuse breaking the rules.

You have also neglected to put the ban type and length in your message. Is it a secban? Is it a full ban? How long is the ban, a day, week, month? I don't think it's appropriate to accuse NecromancerAnne of being unjust or unfair without having that information as well. (Also keep in mind that NecromancerAnne is the one who initially decides whether to deny or allow this appeal).

There is also a lot of information behind this post that will be better understood with the logs. You say that you stunned than beat him twice whereas the note says that you beat him into crit. You say that you tried to return the gun afterwards, but what prompted this and was it before or after you were bwoinked?

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Re: [NecromancerAnne] Saltshaker65 - unfair ban

Postby Saltshaker65 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:41 pm #498127

I didnt say I stunned him, I shot him with my mosin-nagant, then stabbed him twice cause its what i had on me. The ban was 1 day from game, 30 from Sec. I was bwoinked on my way to Brig where I was called to by someone, so I did return the gun after bwoink.

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