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TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby bobbahbrown » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:26 pm #523034

I've chatted with a few people and there didn't really seem to be a good place to leave feedback on this new feature, so I made this thread.

Original PR here: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/47003
Revert PR here: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/47571
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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby kopoba » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:55 pm #523048

Revert please this is unplayble

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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby Dr_bee » Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:43 pm #523064

The inability to keep the chat bar focused so you can easily chat is a problem for me. It makes quickly speaking difficult and speaking while moving impossible.

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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby carshalash » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:19 am #523087

Absolutely fucking cancerous for AI, i'd take back the telepad meme if it meant this would go away. having to hit tab whenever I do literally anything and having the camera hotkeys memed away is ass.

Removed the ability to turn with ctrl + arrows. Surely there has to be a better method for customizing hotkeys than this.

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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby gameaddict07 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:34 pm #523179

It SUCKS FAT ASS please remove.
I want to be able to use arrow keys AND WASD.

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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby deedubya » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:33 pm #523184

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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby Tarchonvaagh » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:37 pm #523286

After the fixes... I still don't use it but its not unplayable so yeah, this only fucked over the command bar people
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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby bobbahbrown » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:19 pm #523292

Tarchonvaagh wrote:After the fixes... I still don't use it but its not unplayable so yeah, this only fucked over the command bar people


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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby Tlaltecuhtli » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:36 pm #523295

this is like society we are lowering everyones life quality to accept a few weirdos with not qwerty keyboards

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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby skoglol » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:56 pm #523301

My life quality has been increased, and I am on a qwerty keyboard.

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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby actioninja » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:49 am #523370

deedubya wrote:<snip>

I laughed but you left part of the screencap out:
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And I was completely right, the revert has still been causing issues with save files.

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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby confused rock » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:16 am #523383

I used to use the arrow keys to talk while moving while using wasd normally. the only people the new hotkeys benefit are powergamers. Meanwhile, arrow key mode makes talking easier than fighting. I wonder which you think I prefer.
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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby deedubya » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:52 am #523385

actioninja wrote:wew

Aside from the comedic effect, my point there was also the fact that merging something with at least partial knowledge that it would cause issues isn't exactly good maintenance practice.

Surely if this was a near-irreversible change as you predicted, it deserved to have more time being tested on localhosts to ensure we wouldn't lose functionality once it went live?
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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby actioninja » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:50 am #523391

It was tested on local. The issues that came up in production weren't issues that were seen in local testing. I said it was probably going to break things because large changes to controls like this frequently do. If I didn't expect it to be fixed I wouldn't have merged it.

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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby Tarchonvaagh » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:04 pm #523424

im using a qwertz keyboard you jannies
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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby oranges » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:47 pm #523464

deedubya wrote:
actioninja wrote:wew

Aside from the comedic effect, my point there was also the fact that merging something with at least partial knowledge that it would cause issues isn't exactly good maintenance practice.

Surely if this was a near-irreversible change as you predicted, it deserved to have more time being tested on localhosts to ensure we wouldn't lose functionality once it went live?

you obviously have no idea about the way we run things here
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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby MisterPerson » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:19 pm #523478

There's a big difference between knowing that there will be issues and knowing what those issues actually are. Obviously yeah if there were any outstanding issues they would have been fixed.
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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby peoplearestrange » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:30 am #523513

Let me ask a question. What does this have thats objectively a massive improvement in the game?

If its custom bindable keys, let me further that by asking WHY do we need it?

Sure you can't use hotkeys if you use your DOVAK or non qwerty keyboard, but then use arrows like every other person who managed to play the game. Hell maybe you'll even find it means you talk more and spend less time wordlessly running around trying to min/max, probably not.

Seriously though, what was actually useful about this merge? Did we even get a say? From what I can see this wasn't a overall code change pushed by the headcoder, this was a loosely implemented use of someone elses (broken) code.
Are we really heading back to the googlecode days of jamming stuff in and testing later...? Kinda seems like that.
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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby peoplearestrange » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:38 am #523514

Fuck sake just let me die in piece before you all destroy the game I can play...
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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby oranges » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:17 am #523522

we're not going to delay technical improvements because of a bunch of boomers
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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby carshalash » Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:48 am #523570

People like having easy access to the chat bar in a roleplaying game.

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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby cdru » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:55 am #523592

I like being able to run AND type at the same time

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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby peoplearestrange » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:40 pm #523682

oranges wrote:we're not going to delay technical improvements because of a bunch of boomers

This is my point though, its not improved my experience. If anything its made it much much worse. I'm waiting for the work around merge to go through and I hope that allows me to at least keep the damn bar focused...
And its not just the old accounts complaining either... 2017/2018 acounts, hell I had a (fairly) new player ask why they could no longer move and why they couldn't get the bar to stay focused.

carshalash wrote:People like having easy access to the chat bar in a roleplaying game.

This ^ In the same way as half the screen is dedicated to text, for a roleplaying game
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IM TRYING

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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby skoglol » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:00 pm #523687

peoplearestrange wrote:hell I had a (fairly) new player ask why they could no longer move and why they couldn't get the bar to stay focused.

Better get rid of it now then, before more people adopt the input style.

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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby Anonmare » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:19 pm #523688

Why are you even trying to have a conversation with oranges when you know he won't give a fuck outside of the coderbus circlejerk? You know coderbus are insular as fuck, why waste the energy? Just move to a different codebase, I'm only here cause Eris isn't open outside of weekends.
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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby oranges » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:18 pm #523706

you've been "leaving" tg for fucking years, maybe if you actually sacked up and did it, people wouldn't think you're so much of a joke


reality is there's an open pr to fix the issues, so there's nothing really to discuss, other than the lack of patience people have
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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby Anonmare » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:05 pm #523715

oranges wrote:you've been "leaving" tg for fucking years, maybe if you actually sacked up and did it, people wouldn't think you're so much of a joke


reality is there's an open pr to fix the issues, so there's nothing really to discuss, other than the lack of patience people have

What the actual fuck kind of methyleated spirits are you on oranges, I've been "leaving" for the past several months. Have you really retreated so far up your ass you're no longer able to tell people apart? And your fix don't fix shit, that "fix", or another like it, went live on TGMC and didn't fix my problems with the control scheme and that it doesn't respect the division between hotkey and chat modes.

You're completely impossible to talk to in any kind of serious capacity and it's only through being dismissed do you actually respond with something other than memes. It's infuriating.
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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby oranges » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:43 am #523747

for years anonmare, for years
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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby carshalash » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:33 am #523751

The fact that the removal of default mode was completely undocumented is probably the worst thing about this.

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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby oranges » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:58 pm #523854

it was discussed, I just dont' think anyone gives a shit about it other than the four or five people who bothered to comment
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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby peoplearestrange » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:11 pm #523874

oranges wrote:it was discussed, I just dont' think anyone gives a shit about it other than the four or five people who bothered to comment

based on what? Your assumption that everyone who effected knows the forums exist, then takes the time to find the right thread and then comments on it?

As much as I'm fairly certain that fixes will help it return to how I played, there was very little evidence, even the change log was fairly unclear to what was being changed and the fact that the change included REMOVING something in the process.

I think thats what urks me more, is that when I asked why I couldn't get out of hotkey mode people acted like I was dumb or some idiot on the backbenches... Which is just a weird angle to play for actually quite a large change.
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oranges wrote:singulo.io is the center point of rational and calm debate, where much of tg's issues are worked out in a fun and family friendly environment

miggles wrote:it must have been quite the accomplishment, killing a dead butterfly

WeeYakk wrote:If you take a step back from everything watching the community argue janitor related changes is one of the most surreal and hilarious things about this game. Four pages of discussing the merits of there being too much or too little dirt in a video game.

Operative wrote:Vote PAS for headmin! Get cucked and feel good getting cucked.

TheNightingale wrote:I want to get off Mr. Scones's Wild Ride...

NikNakFlak wrote:Excuse you, I was doing intentional bug testing for the well being of the server. I do not make mistakes.

Fragnostic wrote:stop cucking the first shitshow ever that revolved around me.
This is my moment, what are you doing?!

Anonmare wrote:Oranges gestures at the thread, it shudders and begins to move!

Saegrimr wrote:
callanrockslol wrote:all you have to do is ban shitters until the playbase improves/ceases to exist, whichever comes first.

IM TRYING

Screemonster wrote:hellmoo is the mud for grown adults who main reaper in overwatch

Kor wrote:
confused rock wrote:...its like if we made fire extinguishers spawn in emergency boxes and have them heal you when you put out fires rather than them being in wall storages...


Are you having a stroke

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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby oranges » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:45 am #523912

based on the assumption that very few people actually use classic mode, because it hasn't been the default or recommended for years
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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby peoplearestrange » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:48 pm #523987

Still not data and only assumptions. Not a great way to make a change as such.
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oranges wrote:singulo.io is the center point of rational and calm debate, where much of tg's issues are worked out in a fun and family friendly environment

miggles wrote:it must have been quite the accomplishment, killing a dead butterfly

WeeYakk wrote:If you take a step back from everything watching the community argue janitor related changes is one of the most surreal and hilarious things about this game. Four pages of discussing the merits of there being too much or too little dirt in a video game.

Operative wrote:Vote PAS for headmin! Get cucked and feel good getting cucked.

TheNightingale wrote:I want to get off Mr. Scones's Wild Ride...

NikNakFlak wrote:Excuse you, I was doing intentional bug testing for the well being of the server. I do not make mistakes.

Fragnostic wrote:stop cucking the first shitshow ever that revolved around me.
This is my moment, what are you doing?!

Anonmare wrote:Oranges gestures at the thread, it shudders and begins to move!

Saegrimr wrote:
callanrockslol wrote:all you have to do is ban shitters until the playbase improves/ceases to exist, whichever comes first.

IM TRYING

Screemonster wrote:hellmoo is the mud for grown adults who main reaper in overwatch

Kor wrote:
confused rock wrote:...its like if we made fire extinguishers spawn in emergency boxes and have them heal you when you put out fires rather than them being in wall storages...


Are you having a stroke

bandit wrote:you are now manually GLORFing

PM:[USER]->IrishWristWatch0: Yeah, im make it on but how im make the station to to sun and not go to sun

OOC: Francinum: Five Rounds at PAS's
"You are destinied to defeat Dr. Uguu and his 5 Robot Masters
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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby carshalash » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:39 am #524091

The default click and chat is... very very finnicky. I've found my command bar being over written by letters while clicking and talking quickly.

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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby oranges » Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:31 am #524103

type slower then
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Re: TGMC Hotkeys Port Feedback

Postby peoplearestrange » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:15 pm #524148

oranges wrote:type slower then

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oranges wrote:singulo.io is the center point of rational and calm debate, where much of tg's issues are worked out in a fun and family friendly environment

miggles wrote:it must have been quite the accomplishment, killing a dead butterfly

WeeYakk wrote:If you take a step back from everything watching the community argue janitor related changes is one of the most surreal and hilarious things about this game. Four pages of discussing the merits of there being too much or too little dirt in a video game.

Operative wrote:Vote PAS for headmin! Get cucked and feel good getting cucked.

TheNightingale wrote:I want to get off Mr. Scones's Wild Ride...

NikNakFlak wrote:Excuse you, I was doing intentional bug testing for the well being of the server. I do not make mistakes.

Fragnostic wrote:stop cucking the first shitshow ever that revolved around me.
This is my moment, what are you doing?!

Anonmare wrote:Oranges gestures at the thread, it shudders and begins to move!

Saegrimr wrote:
callanrockslol wrote:all you have to do is ban shitters until the playbase improves/ceases to exist, whichever comes first.

IM TRYING

Screemonster wrote:hellmoo is the mud for grown adults who main reaper in overwatch

Kor wrote:
confused rock wrote:...its like if we made fire extinguishers spawn in emergency boxes and have them heal you when you put out fires rather than them being in wall storages...


Are you having a stroke

bandit wrote:you are now manually GLORFing

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