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thinkin' bout vampires

Postby nianjiilical » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:41 am #525478

as someone who started playing ss13 years ago on /vg/station, vampires have always been one of the quintessential ss13 antags to me, and i'm sad about the state they're in currently. i know there's an antag freeze, so nothing would really get added for a while, but i've been thinking about ideas on how to make vampires a worth side antag, and i wanted to actually write down all my ideas

vampire basics

vampires should be a roundstart side antag, roughly on par with changelings; something that can co-exist with traitors and lings without being so powerful that they tilt rounds towards them. they're ideally a stealth antag, with the unique objective to reach a certain blood level in addition to normal traitor objectives (assassinate, escape, steal).

vampires have two gating mechanics, blood level and blood points. drinking blood from living creatures increases both, with one human being worth a little over 1 level and 2 points. points are spent to unlock and improve vampire abilities, and many abilities require the vampire to be a certain level to unlock. unlike current vampires, their blood isn't tied to their actual physical blood level and doesn't decrease over time, to enable more stealthy gameplay

by default, vampires can see in the dark with their vampire eyes, and blood points can be spent to upgrade to thermal vision. ghoulish nails grant them increased unarmed strength, and upgrading to ghoulish claws gives them powerful slashing attacks and better grabs. nocturnal stalker gives them a small amount of healing in the dark, which can be upgraded to nocturnal hunter for proper darkness regeneration.

finally, bat form lets them become a bat; ideally, it would be heavily nerfed by both making the bat not spaceproof and giving it a hefty cooldown that can be reduced with certain upgrades

like cultists, vampires get fucked up by holy water. going in the chapel is Bad for them, and being sprayed by or fed holy water lights them on fire

drinking blood and marks

of course vampires drink blood. ideally, there would be some mechanic wherein they can't drink from dead creatures, and something to keep them from just drinking from monkeyhumans. drinking blood could easily be a reskin/clone of changeling succ, with one major difference: vampires don't have to kill their victims

vampires let go of their victim when they're in crit; when they do so, they mark the victim. vampires can choose to let them die or finish the job, but they can also use dark touch to put a marked target into a regenerative coma. letting their victims live carries the risk of them giving away the vampire, but marked crew members have uses...

lairs

every good vampire needs a lair, and they can use an ability to place a dark coffin at their feet. any room containing a coffin is considered the vampire's lair, and they gain minor combat bonuses while in that room. sleeping in a coffin rapidly heals a vampire to full, but if the coffin is destroyed, the ability goes on a massive cooldown. upgrading to a shadowed coffin makes it fade away in darkness, and invisible to silicons.

paralyzing glare

the vampire's signature offense ability, paralyzing glare is a ranged stun that is most effective at close range against unprotected targets. the stun duration decreases based on how far away the vampire is from the target, and it's heavily reduced from a stun to stamina damage if the target has eye protection.

the glare would have several possible upgrades: piercing glare reduces how effective eye protection is, choking glare adds a small mute to the effect, and maybe other things

the vampire plague

vampires passively carry the vampire plague with them, although they themselves are immune to it by default. whenever they mark a target, the target is infected, and living marked victims become potential carriers. by default, the plague has maximum stealth, 0 transmissiblity, and essentially does nothing

by spending blood points, vampires can upgrade their plague. awakened plague causes it to gain actual transmissibility, meaning the vampire's marks will begin quietly spreading it, and further upgrading it with deadly plague causes it to deal small toxins damage, lose all of its stealth, gain a huge boost to infectivity, and generally become a proper disease. the vampire can also unlock the plague cloud ability to manually release a silent burst of the disease from their skin

aside from the small amounts of toxin damage, the plague generally makes it easier for the vampire to hunt infectees. with the plagued beckoning ability, vampires can point at an infected target within visible range, dealing damage and stunning them based on the level of their infection, and once the plague is awakened, vampires can see infectees through walls even without their thermal vision upgrade

thralls

if the vampire wants to instead build towards allies, they can instead take upgrades and abilities that slowly give them more control over their marks. they start with cursed loyalty, which gives any marks that try to harm the vampire a small dose of pacification or a stun, and can unlock cursed communion to send one-way messages to anybody they've marked. once the vampire has enough power, they can unlock cursed awakening to properly turn their marks into servants, at the cost of alerting the whole station that they did it. awakened marks gain the vampire's objectives, the lowest forms of paralyzing glare and ghoulish claws, and access to a vampire-specific communication channel to talk to their master

painted doors

along with vampires would come the ability to paint on doors much the same way runes can be drawn in crayon. the only sort of painting that matters for a vampire is blood painting, of course

if any crewmember paints a cross on a door or airlock in blood, the vampire loses the ability to open that door, regardless of access level, unless somebody lets them in (invites them). if the chaplain's blood is used, trying to open the door actively causes the vampire to catch fire. however, if the blood comes from someone infected with the vampire plague, it instead always opens for the vampire, meaning infected humans can unintentionally give the vampire all access and marks can intentionally sabotage doors for their master.

the cape

once a vampire has enough blood levels, they can choose to go loud by unlocking the cloak of darkness. once unlocked, the cloak appears in the vampire's neck slot, and can't be removed. wearing the cloak grants esword energy projectile deflection, partial armor, a massive cooldown buff to bat form, constant nocturnal regeneration and slight stun resistance, at the cost of loudly telling everybody who sees you you're a vampire

in closing

thank you for coming to my ted talk about dracula



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Re: thinkin' bout vampires

Postby Cobby » Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:02 am #525482

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Re: thinkin' bout vampires

Postby Kryson » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:23 am #525610

Vampire is my favourite SS13 antagonist and i would love to see it in game. However oranges seems to have some kind of irrational dislike for vampires so it is unlikely we will see them in game soon.

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Re: thinkin' bout vampires

Postby Cobby » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:59 pm #526271

he doesn't want you to know how to defeat him
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Re: thinkin' bout vampires

Postby oranges » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:40 pm #526281

It's not irrational, they don't fit with the scifi setting.
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Re: thinkin' bout vampires

Postby Arathian » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:05 pm #526293

oranges wrote:It's not irrational, they don't fit with the scifi setting.


Wizards, religious fanatics, curators etc don't either though. Not to mention the F-words.

SS13 hasn't really been a "pure" scifi setting from the start. Why are vampires especially egregious?
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Re: thinkin' bout vampires

Postby zxaber » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:26 pm #526307

Sci-fi setting issues aside, both paralyzing glare and a nigh-untreatable disease that can cause constant toxin damage just scream anti-fun for the crew. Ideally, antags should strive to be just as fun to fight as they are to play.
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Re: thinkin' bout vampires

Postby oranges » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:44 pm #526309

Arathian wrote:
oranges wrote:It's not irrational, they don't fit with the scifi setting.


Wizards, religious fanatics, curators etc don't either though. Not to mention the F-words.

SS13 hasn't really been a "pure" scifi setting from the start. Why are vampires especially egregious?

The car is already dented, lets just drive it off the cliff completely.

No thanks, not an argument
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Re: thinkin' bout vampires

Postby Arathian » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:59 pm #526311

oranges wrote:
Arathian wrote:
oranges wrote:It's not irrational, they don't fit with the scifi setting.


Wizards, religious fanatics, curators etc don't either though. Not to mention the F-words.

SS13 hasn't really been a "pure" scifi setting from the start. Why are vampires especially egregious?

The car is already dented, lets just drive it off the cliff completely.

No thanks, not an argument


>The setting is RUINED with these in!!!

>the setting has these in already

>LOL NOT AN ARGUEMENT

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Re: thinkin' bout vampires

Postby Kryson » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:27 am #526315

zxaber wrote:Sci-fi setting issues aside, both paralyzing glare and a nigh-untreatable disease that can cause constant toxin damage just scream anti-fun for the crew. Ideally, antags should strive to be just as fun to fight as they are to play.


None of those need to be included in our version.

glare could deal stamina damage

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Re: thinkin' bout vampires

Postby The Respected Man » Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:30 pm #526394

oranges wrote:
Arathian wrote:
oranges wrote:It's not irrational, they don't fit with the scifi setting.


Wizards, religious fanatics, curators etc don't either though. Not to mention the F-words.

SS13 hasn't really been a "pure" scifi setting from the start. Why are vampires especially egregious?

The car is already dented, lets just drive it off the cliff completely.

No thanks, not an argument

It's already driven off the cliff tho

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Re: thinkin' bout vampires

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:37 am #526511

CHANGELINGS
ARE
ALREADY
SPACE
VAMPIRES
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Re: thinkin' bout vampires

Postby Kryson » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:28 am #526517

Super Aggro Crag wrote:CHANGELINGS
ARE
ALREADY
SPACE
VAMPIRES


No, not even close.

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Re: thinkin' bout vampires

Postby ATHATH » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:27 pm #526936

This sounds like a pretty interesting idea.

It's sort of like a cross between hivemind and sentient disease.

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Re: thinkin' bout vampires

Postby oranges » Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:14 pm #526939

no
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