[TheMidnightRose] Engineer Palmer - Forced Ghostrole Ghosting

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[TheMidnightRose] Engineer Palmer - Forced Ghostrole Ghosting

Postby Horza » Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:51 am #549942

Manuel
Byond account and character name OR Discord name:
HorzBor, Engineer Palmer
Admin:
TheMidnightRose
When and where this incident occured (Game Server, forums, Discord):
2020-03-16, ~2130 MDT, Manuel
ROUND ID HERE IF APPLICABLE:
132380

Detailed summary:
Was just a ghost, after the HoP took my access away IC for no other reason that my in-round gimmick was to throw hats at people, and I got the HoP good. Suicided since a mime with no access seems silly, and the HoPline was disgusting until roundend. After some time and admemery with the SM and radiation, ERT roles were offered up. I accepted and got spawned as an ERT agent. I spawned on the usual ERT shuttle, alone, with no real orders. The ERT shuttle was docked to the station. I asked what would I do, and got no real response other than a where are you. I hid in a locker just outside the shuttle airlock doors since I didn't want to interfere with the round until concrete orders were given. Here's the in-game logs as I saw them from around that point:

Spoiler:
[CentCom] Engineer Palmer asks, "Wat do?"
Engineer Palmer asks, "Wat do?"
You unbuckle yourself from the shuttle seat.
[CentCom] Medical Officer Laborde says, "Holy shit"
[CentCom] Commander Bloise asks, "Where are you Laborde?"
[CentCom] Engineer Palmer says, "I'm on a shuttle on station"
Engineer Palmer says, "I'm on a shuttle on station"
[CentCom] Engineer Palmer says, "Seems weird"
Engineer Palmer says, "Seems weird"
[CentCom] Medical Officer Laborde says, "OH FUCK ME"
[CentCom] Engineer Palmer says, "My geiger counter is going ballistic"
Engineer Palmer says, "My geiger counter is going ballistic"
[CentCom] Medical Officer Laborde says, "IM RADDED TO HELL AND BACK"
[CentCom] Engineer Palmer asks, "Do I even have a geiger counter?"
Engineer Palmer asks, "Do I even have a geiger counter?"
[CentCom] Medical Officer Laborde exclaims, "Keep away from engineering! It's fucking chernobyl in there!"
OOC: Kassori: reactor causes human harm
[CentCom] Commander Bloise says, "I think we all are now, I can hear the clicks going like crazy"
Attention! Code red!
There is an immediate serious threat to the station. Security may have weapons unholstered at all times. Random searches are allowed and advised.
Automated Lighting System Announcement
Disabling night lighting: Station is in a state of emergency.
[CentCom] Engineer Palmer asks, "I don't. Why do I have a geiger counter?"
Engineer Palmer asks, "I don't. Why do I have a geiger counter?"
Research Director's Desk Announcement:
Remember, PDAs still work and so do these. Just report to heads of staff until Engineering gets telecomms fixed.
The newscaster beeps, "Breaking news from Station Announcements!"
[Engineering] Poly squawks, "%/****s"
[CentCom] Engineer Palmer says, "I don't have a geiger counter. WHY DO I HEAR TICKING."
Engineer Palmer says, "I don't have a geiger counter. WHY DO I HEAR TICKING."
[CentCom] Medical Officer Laborde says, "Sir I recommend we seal engineering off."
[CentCom] Engineer Palmer says, "Abandon engineering"
Engineer Palmer says, "Abandon engineering"


I hid in the fire equipment locker from here, since I didn't want to interfere with the round until the squad arrived or I was given orders.

Then, here's the important part:
You hear a voice in your head... Please go team up with the other members of the ERT, or I am going to swap you out.
Just before this point, the shuttle back to centcomm left. I was stuck on the station unless the shuttle came back. The other ERT members, as far as I knew, were in the ERT spawn point. I had no information to indicate otherwise. There were no ERT members on the shuttle other than me.

Followed by:
Spoiler:
The newscaster beeps, "Breaking news from Station Announcements!"
Captain Announces
Alright, I guess I really underestimated how bad the radiation is. Everyone get a suit on, or else we're all going to be cooked in the shuttle
[CentCom] Engineer Palmer says, "Get the crew safely to centcomm"
Engineer Palmer says, "Get the crew safely to centcomm"
[CentCom] Commander Bloise says, "This situation just keeps getting worse we need to get these people to the shuttle"
[CentCom] Engineer Palmer says, "It'd be nice to team up with the other ERT members EXCEPT THE SHUTTLE LEFT"
Engineer Palmer says, "It'd be nice to team up with the other ERT members EXCEPT THE SHUTTLE LEFT"
[CentCom] Engineer Palmer says, "Great planning, centcomm"
Engineer Palmer says, "Great planning, centcomm"
[CentCom] Engineer Palmer says, "Fucking idiots"
Engineer Palmer says, "Fucking idiots"
[CentCom] Engineer Palmer says, "Gonna hide in this locker now"
Engineer Palmer says, "Gonna hide in this locker now"


Then I see this:
Control of your mob has been offered to dead players.
Your mob has been taken over by a ghost!

Really? Really? My not wanting to interfere with the round until the matter got cleared up made me got force-ghosted? I don't understand.



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Re: [TheMidnightRose] Engineer Palmer - Forced Ghostrole Ghosting

Postby TheMidnghtRose » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:38 am #549972

As I explained to you in Dchat immediately after the event. I sent the ERT to go help the station in whatever way possible since the station was being irradiated due to a bug, you got offered up because you were just hiding in a locker. The Whole point of the Emergency response teams is to affect the round.
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Re: [TheMidnightRose] Engineer Palmer - Forced Ghostrole Ghosting

Postby Arianya » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:59 pm #550002

As a general precedent, ghostroles are not sacred and can be handed off/deleted/etc. with relatively little reason (though obviously open abuse isn't tolerated).

This precedent goes doubly for admin-spawned ghostroles like ERTs - you only get the role because the admin spawned one, so they're generally more free game for being poked towards action, deleted or replaced with a willing ghost.
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Re: [TheMidnightRose] Engineer Palmer - Forced Ghostrole Ghosting

Postby Horza » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:33 pm #550032

Alright, makes more sense, just two points:
As far as I knew, I was spawned alone in a location without any ERT nearby. I tried to communicate with them and didn't get much response. I didn't know where everyone else was. I didn't know what was going on, so I was going to sit tight until I knew for sure.
And I was a willing ghost, just very confused and that could have been easily clarified rather than just swapping me out.

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Re: [TheMidnightRose] Engineer Palmer - Forced Ghostrole Ghosting

Postby XivilaiAnaxes » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:28 pm #550060

Can I point out that in your first logdump there are clearly ERT members talking about how irradiated engineering is - why wouldn't you assume that they're already on the station?

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Re: [TheMidnightRose] Engineer Palmer - Forced Ghostrole Ghosting

Postby Horza » Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:32 pm #550319

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:Can I point out that in your first logdump there are clearly ERT members talking about how irradiated engineering is - why wouldn't you assume that they're already on the station?

Again, I had thought that they were talking about the situation in the briefing room or the hallway just outside that room in centcomm.
I had thought that they were still at centcomm, and was waiting in the locker just outside the shuttle door for them to arrive, since I was confused, and didn't think to simply remain in the shuttle.
I had thought that it was impossible to meet up with the squad until they had arrived from centcomm on the shuttle, and the order to go meet up with them was nonsensical to me since I had just seen the shuttle vanish and apparently go back to centcomm, thus this was the best place to meet up with them.
I had thought that, for whatever reason, I had spawned in the shuttle instead of the briefing room, and I was now waiting for anyone to get back to me or to inform me as to what I should do. I was whispered instructions that didn't make sense to me.

Thus, my issue was, instead of telling me "your teammates are already on the station, dipshit" the ghostrole was simply taken away. Yes, admins are fully in their right to do that, but at the time it seemed completely arbitrary to me.

PostThis post was deleted by Arianya on Sat Mar 21, 2020 2:09 pm.
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Re: [TheMidnightRose] Engineer Palmer - Forced Ghostrole Ghosting

Postby Horza » Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:48 pm #550590

Which is not at all what happened. Which brings me to my point:
The player doesn't necessarily know or understand the situation in the same way that the admin does. Or vice versa. Half of this complaint was me trying to get to the bottom of things after the fact (which I'm already content with by now), and the other half is me complaining about the admin's actions when, again, a simple "your teammates are already on the station, dipshit" would have sufficed. I'm not asking for deadmin or anything like that.


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