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remanseptim wrote:I severely doubt this is gonna change anything save for maybe cutting down on friendly antags
instead those antags will just do nothing for fear of getting bwoinked cuz they breathed on someone and they went horizontal.
remanseptim wrote:I severely doubt this is gonna change anything save for maybe cutting down on friendly antags
instead those antags will just do nothing for fear of getting bwoinked cuz they breathed on someone and they went horizontal.
You stole the item he cannot renew while your arts n crafts are theoretically unlimited, is it that hard to understand?
Agux909 wrote:Sheo, janitor having a little something for self-defense isn't powergaming. Sec mindshielding all crewmembers, cargo bringing in guns and arming departments preemtively from roundstart, engies quad dooring+reinforcing all secure places, assistants arming themselves from top to bottom and roaming the entire station in search of valids, crew changing AI laws preemtively for cult, wizard, nukies, etc. Those are examples of powergaming. Noone is gonna bwoink you because you crafted a makeshift defense baton for your jannie. Common sense.
Agux909 wrote:Campbell is good, don't be so dramatic saying it will "destroy" Manuel. There was always an idea for having 2 MRP servers since Manuel's creation. There's 2 major TZs and they will now be covered. We might see a pop split at first but eventually both should rise. Have in mind a lot of people don't play on Manuel or haven't had a good time there because of their ping being better on their TZ-convenient LRP servers.
Time will tell, don't pop the balloon before it starts going up. If it has to fail it will fail and it will have to be dealt with when the time comes.
Agux909 wrote:You get that there is a middle ground between murderboning and doing nothing right? These rules are just stating "don't go into a power frenzy and sistematically remove every single member of the crew, jackass, they're people trying to enjoy the game just like you". Of course if that's your gimmick, it's no wonder why you'd argue against it. Just go back to Bagil and keep winnin'.
Sheodir wrote:My issue is particularly with how it's worded. Vagueruling isn't good because we have so many admins that it's bound to result in clashing rulings, which isn't a bad thing per say, but rather I just think it could be worded better.
Sheodir wrote:I was definitely being dramatic there, but I truly feel this is a mistake. I know of myself and plenty of other Manuel players that could be described as 'pop chasers', aka I don't come in unless there is at least 40 people or so, because in a server where sometimes unfortunately nothing happens, a lower pop just makes that more probable. Dividing this even further makes me iffy, to be honest - and I've never thought much of the ping argument, what with being South American. I guess I learned to play on gamer ping.
You're right I should wait and see, I just don't see a good track record doing this in the past - but we'll see. I'll likely connect on both since again ping is my middle name.
You stole the item he cannot renew while your arts n crafts are theoretically unlimited, is it that hard to understand?
Sheodir and Agux909 wrote:snip
Agux909 wrote: Just go back to Bagil and keep winnin'.
You stole the item he cannot renew while your arts n crafts are theoretically unlimited, is it that hard to understand?
Agux909 wrote:Tell us where the rules are vague, add rules or ideas as to how the rules would work better for MRP.
Murderboning refers to killing a large portion of the station's population. Though you are allowed to kill people who aren't your objective. Generally, if you're going room to room in a staffed department and openly killing everyone present, you're probably murderboning. A counterexample that would NOT be murderboning is killing someone who has discovered that you're an antagonist, then killing someone who witnessed that killing, and then killing someone who witnessed that killing. Both of the above cases involve a high killcount but in the second case your initial intention was never to kill multiple people.
Murderboning refers to killing a large portion of the station's population. Generally, if you're going room to room in a staffed department and openly killing everyone present, you're probably murderboning. Killing people who aren’t included in your objectives is not murderboning.
Killing members of a crowd trying to take you down, witnesses to a murder you commited, or crewmembers pursuing you are not qualified as murderboning; though they may end with a high killcount. These actions should be a LAST resort, not something actively sought out to evade restrictions.
Ayy Lemoh wrote:Agux909 wrote:Tell us where the rules are vague, add rules or ideas as to how the rules would work better for MRP.
This isn't really vague since it does clarify what it means however:Murderboning refers to killing a large portion of the station's population. Though you are allowed to kill people who aren't your objective. Generally, if you're going room to room in a staffed department and openly killing everyone present, you're probably murderboning. A counterexample that would NOT be murderboning is killing someone who has discovered that you're an antagonist, then killing someone who witnessed that killing, and then killing someone who witnessed that killing. Both of the above cases involve a high killcount but in the second case your initial intention was never to kill multiple people.
Yeah, it is clear on what it means however I bet people are still going to get banned for this. Yeah, you can admin complaint it however you still have to hope that anyone who handles the complaint isn't a mentally unstable human being who belongs in the insane asylum. God forbid if they think you're using this as an excuse to murderbone since I can just imagine, like, ONE person going "yeah, all these dudes saw me kill someone. Had to frag 'em"
cedarbridge wrote:It does confuse me when players see a rule that says essentially "don't murder everyone on the station with the explicit goal of slowly whittling down the station pop to zero" and takes it to mean "don't touch anyone ever or you will be banned"
Armhulen wrote:You think the head admins are mentally unstable looneys?
cedarbridge wrote:It does confuse me when players see a rule that says essentially "don't murder everyone on the station with the explicit goal of slowly whittling down the station pop to zero" and takes it to mean "don't touch anyone ever or you will be banned"
NoxVS wrote:cedarbridge wrote:It does confuse me when players see a rule that says essentially "don't murder everyone on the station with the explicit goal of slowly whittling down the station pop to zero" and takes it to mean "don't touch anyone ever or you will be banned"
Lots of admins seemed to enforce it that way
imsxz wrote:I give up there’s too many furries
cacogen wrote:i asked oranges how often he plays and he deleted the post
cybersaber101 wrote:Welp, you guys let a terrymin become a headmin, thousand years of darkness.
Vekter wrote:I jerk off Nist a bit too much but he's honestly one of the best silicon players on the server. B.O.R.G.O. is also pretty good.
You stole the item he cannot renew while your arts n crafts are theoretically unlimited, is it that hard to understand?
oranges wrote:dude can't believe campbell has destroyed manuel literally nobody plays on either right now it's a goddamn travesty
except that didn't happen lmao
remanseptim wrote:there should be a system of good faith where, if called for, roleplay takes precedent over rules.
if an actual, roleplayed narrative develops between two people, it should be allowed to get pretty fucking crazy, provided it's actually roleplayed out beyond someone getting robusted for calling the other spaceman cringe.
as a side note, it should be encouraged (not required) for people to put more effort into character interactions. as it stands, a lot of RP i've had on manuel has just been a glorified chatroom that's facetiously in-character. people need to come out of their shell more, and not be scared to play a character with its own personality.
Sheodir wrote:This sounds cool to anyone who's never had to moderate a server in their lives
This will just mean players arguing endlessly they were roleplaying rather than breaking the rules and they did their work pretty promise, this is what vagueruling end up doing. Then again you still think people get bwoinked every five seconds when I can't see that anytime recently in Manuel so y'know.
If you think I'm full of shit, CM did a 'roleplay good faith' thing for a bit and it resulted in someone arguing it was ok for them to 'accidentally' FF, set off grenades in friendlies on purpose and other such things because his character was mentally damaged.
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