[Wineallwine] Bree Van De Kamp - Banned for destroying other peoples round

[lynettexoxo]

BYOND account: Mateistationus
Ban/note type (Check what applies):
(X) - Server Ban
() - Note
() - Forum Ban
() - Discord Ban

Ban/note length: 7 days
Ban/note reason: after being told off for killing an MMI arrested someone and ruined their round too
Time ban was placed: 2024-08-27 13:49:49
Server you were playing on when banned: TG Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 72287

Why are you making this appeal?(Check what applies):
(X) - The ban/note is factually incorrect
() - The ban/note is not against the rules
(X) - The ban/note needs modification
(X) - The ban was unjustifiably harsh
() - I was permabanned and I want another chance

Why should this appeal be accepted?:First of all yes I'm guilty for killing the MMI second of all as context i was the HOS and the person that was arrested was a secoff, it all started after an assistant threatened on the radio to kill the HOS (me) and i asked all of the officer to go and find this person ,when i asked this particular officer they responded with ,,shut up"" they didn't just say no to my orders he told me to ,,shut up"" which is not a thing to say to the HOS which happens to be your boss and i simply told him if you are not able to take my orders then im gonna demote you ,he said ok so i sent him with the HOP to demote him, i continued with my shift and then this secoff that i demoted started to say on the radio that he quits because im stupid (i fired him) and then he started to say that i am retarted and things like that which to me felt like a big insult ,i don't know why this man started to talk bad stuff about me and say to everyone that i am retarted because the only interaction i had with him was back when i asked him to find that person that was threatening me ,so after he called me all of these names and after he called me retarted for no reason i arrested him on Dereliction of Duty grounds because we had little to no secoffs and without him puts us on an miserable position. How am i the one that destroyed his round when i was the one that was called retarted for absolutely no reason , i fired him because he didn't do his job at all and it is my duty to have good secoffs,i didn't destroy his round he destroyed mine by calling me retarted and i didn't say anything because im not all that sensitive, i hope this ban will be lifted .Thank you!

[WineAllWine]

Tldr: I am not lifting this ban
EDIT: but I have an offer for you in the next post

By the time I got to dealing with this guys ahelp he was a corpse in a prisoner outfit, bloodied on top of the spacestation 13 logo in the central primary hallway. An iconic image I'm sure you'll agree but I'm willing to accept that isn't your fault.

I'm glad you've made this appeal because we need to talk. You haven't been here very long and you have a list of notes that is far too long. A lot of notes isn't necessarily awful but yours are all for the same sort of thing and you aren't learning. This is reason 1 why I made the ban length so long.

Reason 2 is I spoke to you about the same thing not 10 minutes prior to this incident. I tried to make it clear then that you're on thin ice but clearly I didn't do it very well.

This particular incident isn't very bad but it's a symptom of your behaviour as a whole and it's one I don't like to have around. I watched you abusing that poor MMI and it was upsetting.

Its possible that security officer was rude to you because you weren't being a very fair or reasonable HoS

You're making the game worse for your fellow players when we want every player to be making the game better.

I don't see any reason to lift this ban. When you come back, I really advise you to avoid security roles. ESPECIALLY HoS. You arent managing the role very well.

You are welcome to try and convince me that you can be a better player, and you are welcome to ask for the headmins to overturn this ban

[WineAllWine]

I've spoken to some other admins and I've got a new offer for you: you can change your 7 day server ban into a 30 day sec role ban.

I want this to make it crystal clear that we are taking your behaviour seriously and this achieves that (and frankly still keeps the rest of the station having to deal with it).

Let me know if you'd prefer this offer

[lynettexoxo]

I've spoken to some other admins and I've got a new offer for you: you can change your 7 day server ban into a 30 day sec role ban.

I want this to make it crystal clear that we are taking your behaviour seriously and this achieves that (and frankly still keeps the rest of the station having to deal with it).

Let me know if you'd prefer this offer

Hello again, first of all i don't know why i am being punished i understand the mistake I've made with the MMI or whatever its called and i said that i will try to be a more reasonable and good player and that's what i want to be in the future but how was i the bad guy after the incident? was i the one that called people retarted? how was i unreasonable to that secoff,prior to arresting him ive been the most kind to him and in return when i asked him to do something simple he tells me to shut up, after the MMI incident i tried to be kind ,and how did that work out? i am being punished now for simply doing my job, if i was punished for that MMI situation i would understand because i own up to that mistake but to be punished for doing my justice ? that doesn't seem right to me ,how bout that secoffs behavior calling me retarted when i did nothing to him, again if this ban was about the MMI situation i would understand because that's something bad that i did and i feel verry sorry about it and this made me change as a player, but this ban is for arresting someone for Dereliction of Duty and i did nothing wrong to this secoff.Ive decided to change my behavior and i promise i would be good,im verry sorry and please forgive me for the MMI situation, and no I'm not interested in the deal

[WineAllWine]

If you aren't interested in the deal then we shall see you in a week I guess.

I'd really recommend avoiding sec roles even when you come back though.

[WineAllWine]

I think the previous message was a little curt, so let's expand on it.

This ban has very little to do with this specific action, it is more your behaviour as a whole.

If you want to appeal this ban you need to be convincing me, and the headmins, that you are a good player to have around. (this is difficult)

The offer to change to a role ban is still around and isn't going away, I think it is a generous, fair, and advisable offer to take. Again, I really think you shouldn't be playing security anyway.

[lynettexoxo]

I think the previous message was a little curt, so let's expand on it.

This ban has very little to do with this specific action, it is more your behaviour as a whole.

If you want to appeal this ban you need to be convincing me, and the headmins, that you are a good player to have around. (this is difficult)

The offer to change to a role ban is still around and isn't going away, I think it is a generous, fair, and advisable offer to take. Again, I really think you shouldn't be playing security anyway.

Hello again i took some time to think about the situation as a whole and some time to read the server rules again, and i totally understand that what i have done to the MMI is totally out of pocket and too mean and I'm genuinely sorry about this and I'm sorry for my behavior and actions , im sorry for all of these but i can be a great player too I've done many good things too and i want to do more of good and less of bad, and i can be a really good player and a nice person, i can be a great HOS and one shift i genuinely had secoffs that respected me so much that they defended me even when i was in the wrong , i can be a really player too , I'm sorry again i know this probably wont make you lift this ban but please do I'm genuinely verry sorry and i want another chance.please.Thank you

[lynettexoxo]

I think the previous message was a little curt, so let's expand on it.

This ban has very little to do with this specific action, it is more your behaviour as a whole.

If you want to appeal this ban you need to be convincing me, and the headmins, that you are a good player to have around. (this is difficult)

The offer to change to a role ban is still around and isn't going away, I think it is a generous, fair, and advisable offer to take. Again, I really think you shouldn't be playing security anyway.

ive really understand my actions and im really sorry please give me another chance

[WineAllWine]

I think the previous message was a little curt, so let's expand on it.

This ban has very little to do with this specific action, it is more your behaviour as a whole.

If you want to appeal this ban you need to be convincing me, and the headmins, that you are a good player to have around. (this is difficult)

The offer to change to a role ban is still around and isn't going away, I think it is a generous, fair, and advisable offer to take. Again, I really think you shouldn't be playing security anyway.

ive really understand my actions and im really sorry please give me another chance

You have another chance, in 6 days time.

I still don't see a reason to reduce the ban. You can still claim the sec role ban if you like

[lynettexoxo]

I think the previous message was a little curt, so let's expand on it.

This ban has very little to do with this specific action, it is more your behaviour as a whole.

If you want to appeal this ban you need to be convincing me, and the headmins, that you are a good player to have around. (this is difficult)

The offer to change to a role ban is still around and isn't going away, I think it is a generous, fair, and advisable offer to take. Again, I really think you shouldn't be playing security anyway.

ive really understand my actions and im really sorry please give me another chance

You have another chance, in 6 days time.

I still don't see a reason to reduce the ban. You can still claim the sec role ban if you like

please i know my behavior was bad but after all i was banned after i arrested a secoff and saying i destroyed his round (which is a lie) and this is mentioned in my ban note and i did not destroy this players round if i commit a crime and get prison time for it i cannot accuse the secoff for destroying my round,that secoff stayed 2 or 4 min in jail and then i took him out ,gave him liberty and left him in the hallway leading to security ,god knows what happened to him there

[WineAllWine]

Hello!

It's been a week and this ban is due to expire in 10 hours. I hope you've learnt a lesson in treating other players better and if don't you feel free to ask.

This has been your second chance, any future situations will likely lead to a permaban.

I STILL think you need to leave security for a while else you're gonna end at the wrong end of a permaban

[Vekter]

This appears to have been resolved, so pending any further replies from the appellant, I'll be moving this thread in 24 hours.

E: I've been informed that this player was recently banned for similar issues and will need to make a new appeal anyway, so I'm moving it.