Defensive Server Response To Shitty ION E3 Trailer

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:42 am #96212

Jesus fuck guys we're gonna be drowning in underageb& because of this ION shit, what do?

Stickymayhem · Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:17 pm

This thread is dumb and you should feel dumb

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:51 am #96215

Stickymayhem wrote:This thread is dumb and you should feel dumb

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:52 am #96216

Stickymayhem wrote:This thread is dumb and you should feel dumb

No, if you're gonna ignore the implications of potential masses of new players, you're the dumb one.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:55 am #96218

The worst that will happen is a lot of assistants acting like real assistants.

Any servers that may suffer from overpopulation would be the publicly listed one's on Byond.

Amnestik · Post by **Amnestik** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:58 am #96219

I doubt an N on a wrench is going to motivate people who weren't interested before to learn to play SS13.

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:59 am #96220

Tunder wrote:
Stickymayhem wrote:This thread is dumb and you should feel dumb
No, if you're gonna ignore the implications of potential masses of new players, you're the dumb one.

NORMIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:00 am #96221

Plus all questions and statements from Dean point to Yogstation, so they'll likely flood there.

Loonikus · Post by **Loonikus** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:17 am #96224

Panic bunker when?

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:24 am #96228

We've had one for a while now.

Post by **MrStonedOne** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:27 am #96229

panic bunker had actually already been activated because of this. a while ago

Loonikus · Post by **Loonikus** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:32 am #96231

I wasn't aware we even used a panic bunker. Hooray.

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:00 pm #96236

MrStonedOne wrote:panic bunker had actually already been activated because of this. a while ago

Based host.

Post by **MisterPerson** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:42 pm #96249

New players? How terrible. Ughu~

Grow up.

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:56 pm #96253

MisterPerson wrote:New players? How terrible. Ughu~

Grow up.

If you can't see the direct and overwhelmingly negative effects a massive new player migration to an entirely knowledge based game will have on the functionality of each round on even a basic level, you're not sensible enough to have an argument with.

A steady stream of new players who slowly become acclimated is fine, it's what we're used to dealing with. A large influx of new players will drown us all in piss and tank the server.

Post by **MisterPerson** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:03 pm #96255

Help them play. Be nice instead of being a cunt to them.

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:23 pm #96260

Secret club

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:29 pm #96263

MrStonedOne wrote:panic bunker had actually already been activated because of this. a while ago

Where do they go? YOG?

I hope its YOG so twerps end up going "I tried SS13, got bant for calling someone a fag, worse game ever - uninstalled."
Or Vore, for the "WTF is this shit!" moments.

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:34 pm #96265

there are at least three major servers now that are worse than yog

Incomptinence · Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:46 pm

Words of wisdom on dealing with the fresh:
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rdght91 · Post by **rdght91** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:11 pm #96271

Drynwyn wrote:
Stickymayhem wrote:
This thread is dumb and you should feel dumb

peoplearestrange · Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:11 pm

MisterPerson wrote:Help them play. Be nice instead of being a cunt to them.

We were all new once.

We've all punched ourselves trying to open our backpack.
We've all pushed the wall in attempt to open a door.
We've all spaced ourselves.
We've all accidentally opened a can of plasma.
We've said "LOL" or "BRB" in IC at least once.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:22 pm #96304

If I'd ever done #5 I would not be playing anymore, because I started on Bay.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:36 pm #96312

DemonFiren wrote:If I'd ever done #5 I would not be playing anymore, because I started on Bay.

Why even mention that?

The overall message he's saying is that everyone's new at some point. No need to correct him or anything similar.

AnonymousNow · Post by **AnonymousNow** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:18 pm #96323

Look at it from all sides, folks.

Yes, we were all new once. But we weren't all new AT ONCE. SS13 has always been the kind of game where the best way to learn is by doing it yourself whilst being constructively berated by a head of staff, which just isn't viable for a department full of complete and utter newbies. I understand the fear of the server drive being changed, too - in theory, if too many people come in at once with little understanding, OOC culture becomes the way the server operates, at least for a while. I've seen it happen in other games - for some reason, the rush just begins to ignore rules they've definitely been taught and marginalise the more established players. That's no good.

At the same time, we always need injections of new blood, and there's definitely such a thing as being way too defensive. After all, many of us here are walk-ins from 4chan, of all places - we, like the Party Van, are a 4chan-sourced, yet now independent body, but consider which of our numbers wouldn't be here were it not for threads in places that, let's face it, are considered the worst places on the internet by some. There's a good chance that somebody smart enough to follow a trailer hint and a bit of developer chatter in this direction will be smart enough to fit right in here. This could be the breath of fresh air we needed.

Now, could somebody remind me how the Panic Bunker mode works? Something like simply disabling players with playtime less than X hours from anything other than assistant, right?

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:34 pm #96347

Tunder wrote:Jesus fuck guys we're gonna be drowning in underageb& because of this ION shit, what do?

you're being a dipshit by driving away new players

Drynwyn wrote:
Tunder wrote:
Stickymayhem wrote:This thread is dumb and you should feel dumb
No, if you're gonna ignore the implications of potential masses of new players, you're the dumb one.
NORMIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

you're being a dipshit by driving away new players
PS stop using normies unironically you idiot

Tunder wrote:
Stickymayhem wrote:This thread is dumb and you should feel dumb
No, if you're gonna ignore the implications of potential masses of new players, you're the dumb one.

you're being a dipshit by driving away new players

Loonikus wrote:Panic bunker when?

you're being a dipshit by driving away new players

stop shitting on new players because "MUH NORMIES RUINING MY AUTISTS ONLY CLUB"

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:35 pm #96348

New players isn't a bad thing. It keeps communities alive.

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:38 pm #96369

iamgoofball wrote:-snip-

Are you slow? Have you played on Sybil in the last month?

New players are great. Two or three new players per round, who can watch people do things the right way, and ask for advice. A steady, small stream that can get acclimated over time.

Anything more than ~20% of the crew being new is going to make the game not fun for everyone. Admins will be working overtime, long term players are going to be mystified by the surge in grief and general incompetence, each round would fall apart due to a lack of players skilled in essential job, as if brainrot was released every round at start. We're barely holding things together with the summer rush as it is.

I notice that a lot of the people arguing for a massive influx of new players are Basilites. Come on Sybil and play for a few rounds, see what it's like at the moment before advocating for a potentially massive influx of newbies.

We're not a MOBA or FPS. This isn't Minecraft. In a multiplayer game with a high learning curve and a high skill peak like SS13, too large a ratio of new players will spell disaster.

Post by **oranges** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:48 pm #96372

Literally zero proof of any noticeable rise, having the bunker on is just childish reee shit

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:16 pm #96380

Just let them come, be shit, pick out the winners amoungst the shit and make them want to stay.

Otherwise we'll just stagnate as the same old assholes forever and die.

invisty · Post by **invisty** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:26 pm #96382

I think you guys are being just a little too hysterical about this.

Mind you, I never play at high pop hours. Remove Sybil from the front page tracker for summer, maybe?

onleavedontatme · Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:53 pm

Surely the best way to ensure the longevity of an incredibly niche community is to make sure nobody can join it

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:55 pm #96396

Kor wrote:Surely the best way to ensure the longevity of an incredibly niche community is to make sure nobody can join it

It's worked for Basil, hasn't it?

:^)

THE MIGHTY GALVATRON · Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:10 pm

ION WILL SAVE SS13 AND GAMING. AT THE SAME TIME.

kevinthezhang · Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:12 pm

Oh man sec will become a much more fun job to play

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:53 pm #96407

Kor wrote:Surely the best way to ensure the longevity of an incredibly niche community is to make sure nobody can join it

I feel like you guys don't grasp things like cultural dilution.

We still get new players. We get a trickle of new players who are few enough in number that they only slightly affect the functions of a round, and who are spread out thinly enough to be surrounded and taught by players who have been established, but are numerous enough to replace our losses and slightly increase the community size as time goes on.

Too many new players at once creates a situation where the blind are leading the blind, new players don't learn anything, the experienced players will be overwhelmed and either jump ship or refuse to teach, and the server skill capacity diminishing to make every round boring.

No one is advocating for no new players. We are simply pointing out that this game will not handle a massive influx of new players in any manner but a negative one.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:02 am #96408

Tunder wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:-snip-
Are you slow? Have you played on Sybil in the last month?

Are you slow? We need new players, and 1 or 2 at a time so that you can "train" them and make them just another shitty powergamer who hates things that don't get muh valids on is retarded. We need fresh players to change things up. Just because you want to make all the new players play the exact same way you do doesn't mean you should. Change is good, get used to it.

Tunder wrote:
Kor wrote:Surely the best way to ensure the longevity of an incredibly niche community is to make sure nobody can join it
I feel like you guys don't grasp things like cultural dilution.

oh my god this is literally just "MUH /TG/ CULTURE"

any potentially good argument you could use here is now dead in the water, thanks for proving that you just want this to be "SUPA SEKRIT PR0 PLAYAZ ONLY CLUB, NO NORMIES ALLOWED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!"

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:06 am #96409

Is there any evidence of this causing an influx of players on tg? Is this thread anything but baseless "muh sekret club" alarmism?

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:11 am #96412

iamgoofball wrote:-snip-

Making your text supersized isn't going to enforce your fundamentally broken view of how this game works.

New players need to be immersed in a functioning station in order to learn how the game and the different major jobs operate.

Too many new players makes the station inoperable due to a lack of general knowledge and ability. We already see this every year during the summer months.

There is a limit to how many new players we can take without completely destabilizing.

Attempting a strawman validhunter argument against me, an advocate for more RP on Sybil, shows how disconnected you are.

Post by **lumipharon** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:16 am #96414

I have yet to see this 'massive influx'.

Let them come, if any. IF suddenly hordes of gibbering idiots swarm the server, then sure, panic bunker, but it seems pretty rediculous to do it preemptively.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:19 am #96415

Tunder wrote:Making your text supersized isn't going to enforce your fundamentally broken view of how this game works.

I'd say that your view of the game is broken.

Tunder wrote:New players need to be immersed in a functioning station in order to learn how the game and the different major jobs operate.

When you play SS13, a functioning station is often the most boring, because nothing's going wrong. Stuff needs to go wrong for ss13 to be interesting. You know how all the fun stories of SS13 that players mention come start playing go? They usually involve large scale chaos and trying to survive in it. A dysfunctional crew IS large scale chaos.

Tunder wrote:Too many new players makes the station inoperable due to a lack of general knowledge and ability. We already see this every year during the summer months.

And? That's not a bad thing. The game isn't supposed to be stable as fuck. You're supposed to have chaos. SS13 was designed around chaos.

Tunder wrote:There is a limit to how many new players we can take without completely destabilizing.

See, here's where your view of the game is broken. SS13 is supposed to destabilize. It's not supposed to be stable and safe. It's supposed to be unstable and dangerous.

Tunder wrote:Attempting a strawman validhunter argument against me, an advocate for more RP on Sybil, shows how disconnected you are.

Not everyone has to be part of your ERP club to play the game, you know. I often find that playing the game with OOC off, and randomnames and crap enabled, leads to a far better experience then caring about who is who.

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:19 am #96416

lumipharon wrote:I have yet to see this 'massive influx'.

Let them come, if any. IF suddenly hordes of gibbering idiots swarm the server, then sure, panic bunker, but it seems pretty rediculous to do it preemptively.

You haven't because the panic bunker has apparently already been activated.

onleavedontatme · Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:22 am

Our culture already died years ago when /v/ invaded and we had 100 person rounds daily where we previously had 30 at primetime.

And the server culture is very different from when I left despite the overall numbers falling.

Very few of the people I used to play with in 2013 are still here, and almost nobody from 2010.

As much as I miss those people and those playstyles there wouldn't be a server at all anymore if we'd locked out new people. Fresh blood is good.

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:26 am #96418

iamgoofball wrote:-snip-

You keep showing ignorance for how this game runs. Most round types require a base amount of crew competency in order to balance the round. You need a functioning Medbay, a functioning Sec department, a functioning Engineering team, at the bare minimum, to keep a round going. Your row row anarchist bullshit doesn't fit the reality of the game, and would result in immediate shuttle calls due to no maintenance or upkeep whatsoever.

It's a space station simulator, not an anarcho-greytide simulator. The antagonists exist to face off against the protagonist that is the station and it's crew.

The Assistant system was developed for a reason. We've just solved our greytide issues. There's no reason to fuck it up again with claims of 'muh secret club' and validhunting strawmen.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:28 am #96419

Tunder wrote:There's no reason to fuck it up again with claims of 'muh secret club' and validhunting strawmen.

then why the fuck are you going off about cultural dilation and crap and acting like new players are the end of the world?

are you this butthurt that maybe you have to play spacemans with filthy plebians who aren't masters at the game for a few rounds before they figure out how the game works?

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:29 am #96420

Kor wrote:Our culture already died years ago when /v/ invaded and we had 100 person rounds daily where we previously had 30 at primetime.

And the server culture is very different from when I left despite the overall numbers falling.

Very few of the people I used to play with in 2013 are still here, and almost nobody from 2010.

As much as I miss those people and those playstyles there wouldn't be a server at all anymore if we'd locked out new people. Fresh blood is good.

Yes, a steady drip of fresh blood, which is what we have currently.

I was there in the old days, they weren't magnificent from anything but a nostalgic standpoint. The culture has changed and RP has diminished, sure, but it could be so much worse.

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:34 am #96421

iamgoofball wrote:
Tunder wrote:There's no reason to fuck it up again with claims of 'muh secret club' and validhunting strawmen.
then why the fuck are you going off about cultural dilation and crap and acting like new players are the end of the world?

are you this butthurt that maybe you have to play spacemans with filthy plebians who aren't masters at the game for a few rounds before they figure out how the game works?

No, I'm very realistically worried that >30% of a given round being complete newfriends is going to ruin the game, which it will. We deal with new players in small numbers, and we give them the basics and hope for the best. There is no established training regime as a result, and this is the easiest way to run things. Too many new players will overwhelm our ability as a community to teach them. They won't read the wiki, and gameplay will devolve as a result

We have a Goldilocks number, a maximum percentage of a given round that can be new without damaging that round. We go over that, and it'll break the game with incompetence.

Post by **lumipharon** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:36 am #96424

No one has actually proven that this will generate hordes of new players. Until then, regardless of whether it will 'ruin the server' or not, this is completely retarded.

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:39 am #96425

lumipharon wrote:Discussing a potentially harmful event and how to deal with it is completely retarded.

Stop

Post by **oranges** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:39 am #96426

wtf are you arguing about, having the panic bunker on at this point is bolting the barn door 10 years before the horse that will escape will even arrive.