Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Talk about non-ss13 stuff here.
User avatar
XSI
Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:41 pm
Byond Username: XSI

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by XSI » #151323

I just hope that some european courts slam them for this and tell them to stop this shit or get banned from several countries, but we all know those are corrupt as fuck and give no shits anyway

Also, you can turn off the data gathering for windows 7 and 8 if you block those updates.
I downright refuse to move to windows 10 until I can get a modified version that removes all spyware. Fuck that shit
User avatar
Ricotez
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:21 pm
Byond Username: Ricotez
Location: The Netherlands

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Ricotez » #151327

BTW for the people who want to upgrade but prefer a fresh install to an upgrade of your existing Windows version:

You need to perform the upgrade at least once. This lets Microsoft register your Windows 7/8 key as a Windows 10 key. Without going through this, your key won't be registered and you can't use it to validate Windows 10.

Once you've performed the upgrade this way once, you can go ahead and do a fresh install. Your key might not initially work when installing Windows 10, but you can install pre-emptively without a key and if the key is stored in your BIOS then Win10 will recognise it as valid once it's installed, else you can enter it after installing.
MimicFaux wrote:I remember my first time, full of wonderment and excitement playing this game I had heard so many stories about.
on the arrival shuttle, I saw the iconic toolbox on the ground. I clubbed myself in the head with it trying to figure out the controls.
Setting the tool box, now bloodied, back on the table; I went to heal myself with a medkit. I clubbed myself in the head with that too.
I've come a long ways from asking how to switch hands.
Spoiler:
#coderbus wrote:<MrPerson> How many coders does it take to make a lightbulb? Three, one to make it, one to pull the pull request, and one to fix the bugs
Kor wrote:The lifeweb playerbase is primarily old server 2 players so technically its our cancer that invaded them
peoplearestrange wrote:Scared of shadows whispers in their final breath, "/tg/station... goes on the tabl..."
DemonFiren wrote:Please, an Engineer's first response to a problem is "throw it into the singulo".
tedward1337 wrote:Donald Trump is literally what /pol/ would look like as a person
CrunchyCHEEZIT wrote:why does everything on this server have to be a federal fucking issue.
Saegrimr wrote:One guy was running around popping hand tele portals down in the halls before OPs even showed up and got several stranded out on lavaland.
The HoP just toolboxes someone to death out of nowhere, then gets speared by a chemist who saw him murder a guy, then the chemist gets beaten to death because someone else saw him kill the HoP.
Tele-man somehow dies and gets its looted by an atmos tech who managed to use it to send two nuke ops to lavaland, who were then surrounded by several very angry people from earlier and some extra golems on top of it.
Captain dies, gets cloned/revived, lasers the guy holding the disk into crit to take it back.
Some idiot tries to welderbomb the AI hiding out at mining for no discernible reason.
Two permabans and a dayban, i'm expecting a snarky appeal from one of them soon. What the fuck.
ShadowDimentio wrote:I am the problem
User avatar
MrStonedOne
Host
Joined: Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:56 pm
Byond Username: MrStonedOne
Github Username: MrStonedOne

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by MrStonedOne » #151331

Just to reiterate the message in case anyone misread it (I did), this does not mean you're being forced to upgrade. Instead it means you've likely already downloaded Windows 10 itself.
NOT TRUE

STARTING TODAY WINDOWS 10 WILL UPDATE AND INSTALL AUTOMATICALLY

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly ... ee66ee75eb
Forum/Wiki Administrator, Server host, Database King, Master Coder
MrStonedOne on digg(banned), Steam, IRC, Skype Discord. (!vAKvpFcksg)
Image
User avatar
Skorvold
Joined: Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:36 pm
Byond Username: Skorvold

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Skorvold » #151335

The sad thing is there will never be an alternative OS to Windows that could effectively run all programs designed for Windows. Eventually 7 and 8 will go the way of XP and we'll be forced to upgrade regardless.

inb4 wine or some other shitty linux "emulator"
Never give up! Trust your instincts!
Spoiler:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/skorvold
Talk to me on steam anytime.
User avatar
Timbrewolf
Rarely plays
Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:55 am
Byond Username: An0n3

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Timbrewolf » #151381

It flat out asks you how much of this shit you want to turn off when installing.
The government already has every means it could possibly want to monitor every aspect of your life if it feels like it.

Refusing to upgrade to Windows 10 does absolutely nothing to protect your privacy.
Enjoy your false sense of security. Maybe if you stopped downloading child porn or whatever the fuck you do that has you so afraid you wouldn't have to worry about this.

"But it's the principal of the thing"

Stop. You have a cellphone? You have bills and taxes? You're using a public ISP?
Then you've already sacrificed that principal for convenience anyway.
Last edited by Timbrewolf on Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Shed Wolf Numero Uno
NSFW:
Image
User avatar
Skorvold
Joined: Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:36 pm
Byond Username: Skorvold

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Skorvold » #151382

Well yeah of course the Government sees everything you do, but who wants Win 10 anyway?
Never give up! Trust your instincts!
Spoiler:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/skorvold
Talk to me on steam anytime.
User avatar
Timbrewolf
Rarely plays
Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:55 am
Byond Username: An0n3

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Timbrewolf » #151386

Skorvold wrote:Well yeah of course the Government sees everything you do, but who wants Win 10 anyway?
I like it. It's not perfect. But the complaint that THE GUBBERMINT GON TAKE MY COMPUTER MACHINE AWAY FROM ME GOD DARN YOU BILLY GATES AND YOUR DEVIL SYSTEM as an argument against upgraded is just fucking so stupid it makes my head hurt.
Shed Wolf Numero Uno
NSFW:
Image
User avatar
XSI
Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:41 pm
Byond Username: XSI

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by XSI » #151389

I'm against it on the principle that they should at least pretend to still like their costumers to get business
User avatar
Skorvold
Joined: Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:36 pm
Byond Username: Skorvold

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Skorvold » #151390

Does it have the Win 8 UI in it too? I'll probably just get it when I build something new anyway.
Never give up! Trust your instincts!
Spoiler:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/skorvold
Talk to me on steam anytime.
Incoming
Github User
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:41 pm
Byond Username: Incoming
Github Username: Incoming5643

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Incoming » #151402

I tried to run windows 10 on this laptop, it ran like crap and because the machine was old lenovo refused to put out key driver updates to ensure proper compatibility in windows 10. Meaning not only don't I want windows 10, but it also represents a clear and existential threat to my laptop.

Shit is RIDICULOUS.
Developer - Datum Antags: Feburary 2016

Poly the Parrot - All Seeing Bird Transcends Universe, Joins Twitter.

Kofi - Make A Poor Life Choice

Good ideas backed by cruddy code since 2012!
User avatar
Ricotez
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:21 pm
Byond Username: Ricotez
Location: The Netherlands

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Ricotez » #151404

the driver issues are a problem, by now most drivers have had an update to support Windows 10 properly but my wifi usb adapter just won't play nice and it doesn't look like Sitecom has any intention of updating it
MimicFaux wrote:I remember my first time, full of wonderment and excitement playing this game I had heard so many stories about.
on the arrival shuttle, I saw the iconic toolbox on the ground. I clubbed myself in the head with it trying to figure out the controls.
Setting the tool box, now bloodied, back on the table; I went to heal myself with a medkit. I clubbed myself in the head with that too.
I've come a long ways from asking how to switch hands.
Spoiler:
#coderbus wrote:<MrPerson> How many coders does it take to make a lightbulb? Three, one to make it, one to pull the pull request, and one to fix the bugs
Kor wrote:The lifeweb playerbase is primarily old server 2 players so technically its our cancer that invaded them
peoplearestrange wrote:Scared of shadows whispers in their final breath, "/tg/station... goes on the tabl..."
DemonFiren wrote:Please, an Engineer's first response to a problem is "throw it into the singulo".
tedward1337 wrote:Donald Trump is literally what /pol/ would look like as a person
CrunchyCHEEZIT wrote:why does everything on this server have to be a federal fucking issue.
Saegrimr wrote:One guy was running around popping hand tele portals down in the halls before OPs even showed up and got several stranded out on lavaland.
The HoP just toolboxes someone to death out of nowhere, then gets speared by a chemist who saw him murder a guy, then the chemist gets beaten to death because someone else saw him kill the HoP.
Tele-man somehow dies and gets its looted by an atmos tech who managed to use it to send two nuke ops to lavaland, who were then surrounded by several very angry people from earlier and some extra golems on top of it.
Captain dies, gets cloned/revived, lasers the guy holding the disk into crit to take it back.
Some idiot tries to welderbomb the AI hiding out at mining for no discernible reason.
Two permabans and a dayban, i'm expecting a snarky appeal from one of them soon. What the fuck.
ShadowDimentio wrote:I am the problem
User avatar
Lumbermancer
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:40 am
Byond Username: Lumbermancer

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Lumbermancer » #151407

Hey, listen. If you had disabled all the spyware beforehand, you wouldn't get updated to spyware 10.

https://www.digg.com/r/pcmasterrace/c ... _7_and_8x/
aka Schlomo Gaskin aka Guru Meditation aka Copyright Alright aka Topkek McHonk aka Le Rouge
Image
LiamLime
Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:59 pm
Byond Username: LiamLime

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by LiamLime » #151412

I upgraded to Win 10 more than half a year ago and haven't looked back. It's better than win 7 and win 8.1. All the cries and complaints I hear tend to be about minor things, which you can easily deal with. Most complaints really remind me of TGS' general outrage over every minor change ever.

Win 10 tells you what is collected and gives you the option to disable it - unlike google, amazon, apple, ebay, steam, ubisoft, ea or every retailer, app or ad provider out there. The upgrade is a good one. Unless you have a legitimate reason (old computer, weird driver, need for IE6), I recommend you just stop whining, get on with it and install the new version. Otherwise use GWX Control Panel to shut off the notification.

Yes, yes, I know Microsoft are pushy about Windows 10. And I'm sure that for many of you it's more about pride than any actual reason to not simply upgrade. You can be as outraged as you want and whine for as long as you find it enjoyable, but the much simpler solution to this issue is to upgrade and realize how irrelevant the complaints are.

As I've mentioned, however, there are some legitimate reasons to not upgrade. Those of you with legitimate reasons, yeah, outrage away, RAAA. etc.

TL;DR:
Just upgrade. It's FINE...
Also you should be personally offended by this post, even if you only read the TL;DR and quote random parts of it and say that microsoft needs to respect your choice or whatever, just like facebook and youtube when they update their design...
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.
User avatar
Hornygranny
Horny Police
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:54 pm
Byond Username: Hornygranny

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Hornygranny » #151413

given how many of you super genius pc gamers are still running IE8/9 and have never patched your OS i don't care
Image
User avatar
Saegrimr
Joined: Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:39 pm
Byond Username: Saegrimr

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Saegrimr » #151414

LiamLime wrote:Just upgrade. It's FINE...
Image
tedward1337 wrote:Sae is like the racist grandad who everyone laughs at for being racist, but deep down we all know he's right.
User avatar
Lumbermancer
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:40 am
Byond Username: Lumbermancer

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Lumbermancer » #151415

LiamLime wrote:I upgraded to Win 10 more than half a year ago and haven't looked back. It's better than win 7 and win 8.1.
DO ELABORATE.
gives you the option to disable it
No it doesn't.
aka Schlomo Gaskin aka Guru Meditation aka Copyright Alright aka Topkek McHonk aka Le Rouge
Image
LiamLime
Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:59 pm
Byond Username: LiamLime

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by LiamLime » #151420

It's a general incremental improvement on most fronts and is essentially a bit better across the board. It also runs much better than the previous versions. If you want a point-by-point breakdown of why it's better, take a look at something like http://www.zdnet.com/topic/windows-10/ or https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10

It gives you the option to disable everything people find problematic in the installation process, so long as you don't choose express install. It tells you what each option does, what it's used for, etc. It's actually surprisingly informative and honest. That's probably why there is outrage - because they actually said what buttons do, unlike the other providers, who hide this stuff in their EULA.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.
User avatar
Timbrewolf
Rarely plays
Joined: Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:55 am
Byond Username: An0n3

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Timbrewolf » #151425

CosmicScientist wrote:Uh, my point on privacy was that since 7 and 8 have the same lack of it (I don't think I'd ever expect data not being gathered in literally any mass produced system that accesses online content?) the weight of privacy on the decision is moot.

Go krunk Anon, you're home.
"Was the comment someone posted directed at me specifically?: A primer on Internet Communication"

1) Did the person posting mention you by name?
2) Did the person posting quote your contribution to the thread?
3) Did the person posting respond specifically to an argument or point you made?

If the answer to all of these is no, perhaps the post was not directed to you specifically, and was a broad statement to everyone in the thread.

Following this handy checklist can prevent you from making social gaffes and stumbles in the future!
Shed Wolf Numero Uno
NSFW:
Image
User avatar
Lumbermancer
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:40 am
Byond Username: Lumbermancer

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Lumbermancer » #151426

LiamLime wrote:It gives you the option to disable everything people find problematic
I like how you moved the goalpost from disabling collection of data, to disabling collection of data people find problematic. That's how you spot a shill.
aka Schlomo Gaskin aka Guru Meditation aka Copyright Alright aka Topkek McHonk aka Le Rouge
Image
lumipharon
TGMC Administrator
Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:40 am
Byond Username: Lumipharon

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by lumipharon » #151427

>my windows 7 laptop has never shown me windows 10 as an available update, optional or otherwise
Feels good, but I suppose eventually I probably will change.
User avatar
Lumbermancer
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:40 am
Byond Username: Lumbermancer

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Lumbermancer » #151429

if you have automatic updating disabled then it won't.
aka Schlomo Gaskin aka Guru Meditation aka Copyright Alright aka Topkek McHonk aka Le Rouge
Image
Incoming
Github User
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:41 pm
Byond Username: Incoming
Github Username: Incoming5643

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Incoming » #151431

lumipharon wrote:>my windows 7 laptop has never shown me windows 10 as an available update, optional or otherwise
Feels good, but I suppose eventually I probably will change.
Sounds like you got Windows 7 Enterprise, that version isn't eligible for the free upgrade because of its group licensing.
Developer - Datum Antags: Feburary 2016

Poly the Parrot - All Seeing Bird Transcends Universe, Joins Twitter.

Kofi - Make A Poor Life Choice

Good ideas backed by cruddy code since 2012!
lumipharon
TGMC Administrator
Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:40 am
Byond Username: Lumipharon

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by lumipharon » #151434

Home premium, and automatic updates are on.
Dunno?
LiamLime
Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:59 pm
Byond Username: LiamLime

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by LiamLime » #151435

Lumbermancer wrote:
LiamLime wrote:It gives you the option to disable everything people find problematic
I like how you moved the goalpost from disabling collection of data, to disabling collection of data people find problematic. That's how you spot a shill.
That's an unreasonable expectation, unfortunately. All software, including all versions of windows since Vista, collect telemetery data, that's how they know how the OS is used, what to work on, where it fails, etc. Nobody cares whether you wear boxers or briefs or what kind of porn you like. All they care about is how you use their software and what they could do to make it better.

On that front, going from Win 7 or Win 8.1 to Win 10 makes no difference.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.
User avatar
Takeguru
Joined: Wed May 07, 2014 5:20 pm
Byond Username: TakeGuru

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Takeguru » #151441

MrStonedOne wrote:
Just to reiterate the message in case anyone misread it (I did), this does not mean you're being forced to upgrade. Instead it means you've likely already downloaded Windows 10 itself.
NOT TRUE

STARTING TODAY WINDOWS 10 WILL UPDATE AND INSTALL AUTOMATICALLY

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly ... ee66ee75eb
Someone sum this up for me, they're not letting me in because I can't be assed to enable all the ad scripts.

I'm on 7 now, and I intend to stay on 7 for the forseeable future because it's almost as good as XP was and XP is my OSfu
Image
User avatar
oranges
Code Maintainer
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:16 pm
Byond Username: Optimumtact
Github Username: optimumtact
Location: #CHATSHITGETBANGED

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by oranges » #151445

YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP CONFIRMED BABY
Incomptinence
Joined: Fri May 02, 2014 3:01 am
Byond Username: Incomptinence

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Incomptinence » #151447

I simply don't respond well to malware tactics and I don't want compatibility issues.
User avatar
Takeguru
Joined: Wed May 07, 2014 5:20 pm
Byond Username: TakeGuru

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Takeguru » #151450

Also god damn, I always force it ask me before installing updates and this one was automatically checked.

Come on now, that's fucking dirty.
Image
User avatar
Lumbermancer
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:40 am
Byond Username: Lumbermancer

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Lumbermancer » #151457

LiamLime wrote:That's an unreasonable expectation, unfortunately.
No, it's not unreasonable at all. You can disable data collection in W7, I even linked how. You can't do that in W10, especially on non-enterprise versions. Also is collection of ANY data on opt-in basis so unreasonable now? Is this the world we live in? Well it doesn't have to be.
aka Schlomo Gaskin aka Guru Meditation aka Copyright Alright aka Topkek McHonk aka Le Rouge
Image
LiamLime
Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:59 pm
Byond Username: LiamLime

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by LiamLime » #151460

Lumbermancer wrote:Also is collection of ANY data on opt-in basis so unreasonable now? Is this the world we live in?
As a professional game developer, formerly software developer, allow me to inform you: It is. Data collection is an omnipresent thing, and the added value it gives companies is so great, none of them will choose to ignore it.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.
User avatar
MrStonedOne
Host
Joined: Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:56 pm
Byond Username: MrStonedOne
Github Username: MrStonedOne

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by MrStonedOne » #151462

Not even two hours after i started my shift, I got a client whos computer had it's hard drive soft wiped by the windows 10 automatic update.

Something happened, and it managed to corrupt the partition table, i had to restore it, some files were too fragmented to recover.

Far as i could tell, it must have been trying to update the ntfs table to the new format and error-ed out. SMART showed nothing out of shape on the hard drive.
Forum/Wiki Administrator, Server host, Database King, Master Coder
MrStonedOne on digg(banned), Steam, IRC, Skype Discord. (!vAKvpFcksg)
Image
LiamLime
Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:59 pm
Byond Username: LiamLime

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by LiamLime » #151465

Don't you think it's possible that your client performed a quick format during windows installation and blamed it on an error?
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.
User avatar
MrStonedOne
Host
Joined: Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:56 pm
Byond Username: MrStonedOne
Github Username: MrStonedOne

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by MrStonedOne » #151466

No, i could tell a windows 10 update took place, and it showed as an automatic update shutdown in the recovered event logs. I'm didn't get to be running this place by trusting the client to tell the whole story.
Forum/Wiki Administrator, Server host, Database King, Master Coder
MrStonedOne on digg(banned), Steam, IRC, Skype Discord. (!vAKvpFcksg)
Image
User avatar
PKPenguin321
Site Admin
Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:02 pm
Byond Username: PKPenguin321
Github Username: PKPenguin321
Location: U S A, U S A, U S A

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by PKPenguin321 » #151478

oh no not windows 10 windows 10 is the devil clearly the reincarnation of the antichrist aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhhhh

--sent from a win10 PC
i play Lauser McMauligan. clown name is Cold-Ass Honkey
i have three other top secret characters as well.
tell the best admin how good he is
Spoiler:
Image
User avatar
Takeguru
Joined: Wed May 07, 2014 5:20 pm
Byond Username: TakeGuru

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Takeguru » #151497

I wonder if Microsoft is gonna cover the cost of the computers it's gonna brick or wipe by "forcing" the update.

AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
Image
User avatar
iamgoofball
Github User
Joined: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:50 pm
Byond Username: Iamgoofball
Github Username: Iamgoofball

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by iamgoofball » #151539

stop being neanderthals

look at the real world

the government already has all the info they'll ever want on you and the probability of them giving a shit is so goddamn low

the advertisers already have all the info on what porn you watch and how often, google and firefox has been selling you out for years

i don't like that our host is being a cumbucket piece of fucking shit and deciding "HURR I'M GONNA TELL PEOPLE TO NOT UPGRADE"
User avatar
iamgoofball
Github User
Joined: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:50 pm
Byond Username: Iamgoofball
Github Username: Iamgoofball

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by iamgoofball » #151541

also

provide some proof it's actually spyware

show me the individual spot where it grabs your browser history and sends your passwords to microsoft

oh wait it doesnt do that

because it's analytics like Google and Mozilla and Valve and every other company with a web page or application has been doing since the turn of the century
lumipharon
TGMC Administrator
Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:40 am
Byond Username: Lumipharon

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by lumipharon » #151543

Goof literally what the fuck are you talking about?

This is about the fact that microsoft is making people ungrade without their consent by being sneaky gits.
There are plenty of reason to not want to upgrade now that don't have to do with 'muh privacy'.
User avatar
iamgoofball
Github User
Joined: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:50 pm
Byond Username: Iamgoofball
Github Username: Iamgoofball

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by iamgoofball » #151545

lumipharon wrote:Goof literally what the fuck are you talking about?

This is about the fact that microsoft is making people ungrade without their consent by being sneaky gits.
There are plenty of reason to not want to upgrade now that don't have to do with 'muh privacy'.
Unless your computer is from 2003 and running on fumes with 2gb of ram it can handle windows 10. The "my hardware can't handle it!!!" shit is bogus. If you're on windows 7 or 8/8.1, the versions that are auto-updating, you can handle 10. if you're still so fucking afraid it'll break, google all your manufacturers for your computer parts and look for their guide on how to fix windows 10 issues IF THERE EVEN IS AN ISSUE and do whatever it says
User avatar
PKPenguin321
Site Admin
Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:02 pm
Byond Username: PKPenguin321
Github Username: PKPenguin321
Location: U S A, U S A, U S A

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by PKPenguin321 » #151546

iamgoofball wrote:
lumipharon wrote:Goof literally what the fuck are you talking about?

This is about the fact that microsoft is making people ungrade without their consent by being sneaky gits.
There are plenty of reason to not want to upgrade now that don't have to do with 'muh privacy'.
Unless your computer is from 2003 and running on fumes with 2gb of ram it can handle windows 10. The "my hardware can't handle it!!!" shit is bogus. If you're on windows 7 or 8/8.1, the versions that are auto-updating, you can handle 10. if you're still so fucking afraid it'll break, google all your manufacturers for your computer parts and look for their guide on how to fix windows 10 issues IF THERE EVEN IS AN ISSUE and do whatever it says
or just put the update on a separate harddrive or something idk
i play Lauser McMauligan. clown name is Cold-Ass Honkey
i have three other top secret characters as well.
tell the best admin how good he is
Spoiler:
Image
User avatar
Takeguru
Joined: Wed May 07, 2014 5:20 pm
Byond Username: TakeGuru

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Takeguru » #151547

@Goof
Okay, that's all fine and good, but they're forcing an update that has a fairly high chance of rendering a lot of software incompatible and there's already people complaining about bricked drives because of it.

It's the fact they're doing this in a very sneaky way that has people up in arms, Microsoft being relatively transparent with their data collection is just more fuel to the fire.
Last edited by Takeguru on Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:23 am, edited 1 time in total.
Image
LiamLime
Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:59 pm
Byond Username: LiamLime

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by LiamLime » #151552

See, Takeguru, you have a point, but they do as well. I heard their chief marketing officer interviewed, he basically said that they are aware that they are being pushy, but that alternatives have simply not worked. They are experimenting with how pushy they can be, how many people they can get to upgrade using various techniques, etc.

Link to interview (8:24 - 1:12:00)


@goofball: Denying that there are issues is silly. It's more about whether or not the issues are understood correctly, whether they are as severe as the click-hungry media report them, and whether they are in fact deal-breakers or just minor annoyances.
- Windows 10 offers a feature which syncs wifi passwords between devices and allows you to share them with contacts on skype, facebook, etc. It was misreported that this is on by default, when in fact it isn't. The issue was that one of the services was on, but it did nothing until explicit permission was given. This caused needless outrage.
- Cortana can be allowed to scan through your email, calendar, history, etc. to make the service better. You need to both explicitly enable Cortana and can tell what it can look through. For comparison, "Hey Google" already does this, without asking you.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.
lumipharon
TGMC Administrator
Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:40 am
Byond Username: Lumipharon

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by lumipharon » #151558

iamgoofball wrote:
lumipharon wrote:Goof literally what the fuck are you talking about?

This is about the fact that microsoft is making people ungrade without their consent by being sneaky gits.
There are plenty of reason to not want to upgrade now that don't have to do with 'muh privacy'.
Unless your computer is from 2003 and running on fumes with 2gb of ram it can handle windows 10. The "my hardware can't handle it!!!" shit is bogus. If you're on windows 7 or 8/8.1, the versions that are auto-updating, you can handle 10. if you're still so fucking afraid it'll break, google all your manufacturers for your computer parts and look for their guide on how to fix windows 10 issues IF THERE EVEN IS AN ISSUE and do whatever it says
Literally.
What.
Are you talking about.

There are compatibility reasons. There are driver reasons. There are 'all my software is configured and working and I don't want to go through a lot of hassle to reconfigure it it for window 10 because there is zero practical reason curently to change" reasons.
There are also minimum requiremnt reasons for some people, but I never said that, and I don't think anyone else in the thread has said that either.
User avatar
Deitus
Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:26 pm
Byond Username: Deitus

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Deitus » #151561

so what exactly do i need to install to stop the auto upgrade to 10? after its done, can i safely turn auto updates back on?
Image
User avatar
Super Aggro Crag
In Game PermaBanned
Joined: Sat Mar 21, 2015 9:47 pm
Byond Username: Super Aggro Crag

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Super Aggro Crag » #151578

why is goofball such a shill
Image
Image
Image
Image
Image
Image
Image
User avatar
XSI
Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:41 pm
Byond Username: XSI

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by XSI » #151583

Deitus wrote:so what exactly do i need to install to stop the auto upgrade to 10? after its done, can i safely turn auto updates back on?
>Safely turn auto updates on
>Stop getting fucked over
Pick one

You're going to have to manually checkbox updates at the least, if you don't want them to surprise you by dumping another multi-gb download on you without telling, or to fuck up all your stuff unannounced
Also
You're not allowed to do that if you're at windows 10 already. They literally just take complete control of all your updating unless you block windows servers in your router. And if you do that it will just spam errors at you and occasionally lock up.
Also, they no longer have to tell you what the updates do.
Wikipedia wrote:The option to select various methods for downloading Windows Updates (or ignoring them completely) was removed. Windows 10 Pro and Enterprise users, if configured by the administrator, may defer updates, but only for a limited time.[93] Users consent to the automatic installation of all updates, features and drivers provided by the service, and to the automatic removal or changes to features being modified or no longer provided, under the end-user license agreement.[94] Additionally, changes made within individual updates are now withheld by Microsoft.[95][96]
User avatar
Cheridan
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:04 am
Byond Username: Cheridan

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Cheridan » #151607

oranges wrote:YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP CONFIRMED BABY
windows 10 made me switch. I'm on Linux Mint (Cinnamon "Rafaela") now, and it's nice. Friend described it as "More like Windows 7 than Windows 10 is like Windows 7", which is pretty apt. Installing and updating programs is easier than on Windows, and I haven't found myself in want of anything that Windows could provide that Linux can't--Been playing Dragon's Dogma through Wine for the past week just fine.


just fucking do it. make the switch


install gentoo
Image
/tg/station spriter, admin, and headcoder. Feel free to contact me via PM with questions, concerns, or requests.
User avatar
Deitus
Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:26 pm
Byond Username: Deitus

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by Deitus » #151610

XSI wrote:
Deitus wrote:so what exactly do i need to install to stop the auto upgrade to 10? after its done, can i safely turn auto updates back on?
>Safely turn auto updates on
>Stop getting fucked over
Pick one

You're going to have to manually checkbox updates at the least, if you don't want them to surprise you by dumping another multi-gb download on you without telling, or to fuck up all your stuff unannounced
Also
You're not allowed to do that if you're at windows 10 already. They literally just take complete control of all your updating unless you block windows servers in your router. And if you do that it will just spam errors at you and occasionally lock up.
Also, they no longer have to tell you what the updates do.
Wikipedia wrote:The option to select various methods for downloading Windows Updates (or ignoring them completely) was removed. Windows 10 Pro and Enterprise users, if configured by the administrator, may defer updates, but only for a limited time.[93] Users consent to the automatic installation of all updates, features and drivers provided by the service, and to the automatic removal or changes to features being modified or no longer provided, under the end-user license agreement.[94] Additionally, changes made within individual updates are now withheld by Microsoft.[95][96]
im on 7 right now and i've got it set to never check for updates, not give recommended updates, and not give updates for microsoft products. what else do i need to do to make sure i dont get forced to switch to 10? is there any way other than the manually check updates option to keep my shit up to date without getting 10 shoved down my throat?
Image
User avatar
XSI
Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:41 pm
Byond Username: XSI

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by XSI » #151615

Pretty sure that's it for now. Unless they start pushing even harder

So far they're doing it purely through their updates (as far as I know)
User avatar
oranges
Code Maintainer
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:16 pm
Byond Username: Optimumtact
Github Username: optimumtact
Location: #CHATSHITGETBANGED

Re: Windows 10 - the message on the tgstation13 welcome page

Post by oranges » #151654

Installing linux will stop the windows 10 auto upgrade.
Locked

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot]