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I think its significantly worse in that it doesn't have anything going for it. All the other controversial maps have something to like. Norfstar has a very unusual ship theme and layout with masses of Z-level play, stairs, ladders, and elevators everywhere. Icebox is a planetstation with Z-level pl...

Timonk wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 9:06 pm
the most logical step would be that you send in a group of interns to fun police the swasitka guy by beating him up and taking the photo that is clearly very dear to him out of his album

I would rather just ban the guy for making pictures of hate symbols but okay

The definition of the terms works like this: No status is for if they were cleared of charges. Discharged is if they served their sentence and have been released. Parole is if they had time remaining to serve but were released for some reason. That doesn't happen very often on /tg/ because our round...

Birdshot is the worst map in rotation. I don't think that statement should be remotely controversial. It isnt OMGWTFBBQSUXXORS like ooc crybabies scream, its just not as good to play on as any of our other maps. Removing it from rotation is unlikely to do anything to pop though, I'm pretty sure tha...

There was a fourth secret option which was "nothing iain actually did resulted in the photos being deleted".

I'm not a fan of MSO sniping someone before even knowing what happened but whatever, we have zero recourse on that.

I'm not sure we can delete individual pictures from photo albums, so I don't know if deleting it was the only way to actually resolve the issue. I suppose we could have just warned him about the exploit and bonked him if he kept using it. That being said, one could argue that improvedname placed the...

We have historically been very serious about handling exploits and Iain's response here is in line with previous instances of exploit abuse. Abuse almost always comes with a note and, in cases of repeated instances of abuse, a ban. Players have historically been noted for any form of exploit abuse o...

It's been almost or over a year dude, I'm surprised you don't remember but we've removed maps in the past for being unpopular (Birdboat being one of them!). Unlike Tram, I don't think Birdshots going to get a massive overhaul that changes the overall public opinion anytime soon. Also, just curious,...

Just remove Birdshot from sybil rotation or remove weighted voting. Players (the ones who actually play on the map) have shown great discontent with both of these additions, so maybe appealing to them somehow might actually help the situation? Crazy, I know, but surely it's better than a server wit...

In any case I still think these are arguements that should be brought to the maintainers and not headmins because its the former who actually chooses what maps are/arent in rotation. Technically, whatever map rotation each server uses is in config, so headmins could change it if they want to. They ...

playing unoptimally or leaving yourself vulnerable when you could quite easily ignore set and setting to pick up a rocket launcher can be frustrating but an important and i'd argue integral aspect of the roleplay in this game is the existence and enforcement of procedure. sometimes this bleeds over...

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I'm making this so nobody else does. Don't give him attention, please.

True, we should let people do whatever with barriers. I see wardens use them to make the brig entrance into a 1x2 all the time. It’s fine imo, warden is there to guard the brig and him fortifying should be like the CE setting up the SM. I'm still not a fan of doing this at roundstart, because it do...

https://tgstation13.download/dip/discordimageproxy.php/attachments/326843254639165441/1234908740503732314/image.png?ex=663271e3&is=66312063&hm=c82db681ec5fdc6a20d510e0cff5ab5a7b9b79cc83461520db6e6595225806d0& Are we back? Did threatening to make sybil mrp save it? Maybe, but it's also w...

True, we should let people do whatever with barriers. I see wardens use them to make the brig entrance into a 1x2 all the time. It’s fine imo, warden is there to guard the brig and him fortifying should be like the CE setting up the SM. I'm still not a fan of doing this at roundstart, because it do...

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 5:07 pm
Vekter wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 1:15 pm I like Dunham as a person but this is genuinely baffling, glad they removed it but I'm not sure how it got to this.
its called slippery slope my friend

these are the beginnings of the results

Shut the fuck up Kendrick

I think I like the idea of really high threat/pop rounds generating a second Heretic so we sometimes get the cool interactions between them, but I don't think it should be common.

I haven't seen any repeat of the issues Drag was put back on trial for. +1.

I like Dunham as a person but this is genuinely baffling, glad they removed it but I'm not sure how it got to this. Everyone makes mistakes. Yup, and if you're going to make one, your trialmin period is probably the best time to do so. I talked to them about it in admin channels and I think they un...

I like Dunham as a person but this is genuinely baffling, glad they removed it but I'm not sure how it got to this.

I feel like I'm fine with them as they are - they shouldn't be considered a direct threat unless they leave maintenance and try to take over the station.

The issue with increasing the amount of heretics onboard the station is that you'll end up with situations where every single corner and square inch if the station will be covered in rifts that remove people's limbs and make them want to kill themselves. Science never does anything about them eithe...

Going to give you 72 hours from now to respond to this. You are welcome to request a headmin review if you'd like.

Out of curiosity, are there any other rules/diktats on the server entirely from MSO aside from the ligger thing? The ligger thing is more out of his wish for a separation between bigotry and species-ism as well as not explicitly banning the use of words but how they're used. For instance: I can cal...

Hi, thanks for appealing. I will unfortunately be denying this appeal at this time. You were banned from Monkestation less than 24 hours ago with the following reason: You have shown an incredibly long history of self antagging, sexual acts, and NRP behavior on this server and many others, by this p...

Right, which is why I'm arguing that us saying option A is better (just strictly saying that you're not purged unless none of your laws limit your behavior in any way) and rule 0 would give us the ability to go "Okay, well, it makes sense that you could be considered purged here, so I'll allow...

The difference is that AI players should have a strict and easy-to-understand line as to whether or not it's okay to act as if purged if an admin is not present, while if one is, they may ask them for further guidance on the issue if they're confused. Option B doesn't really give that though, does ...

Also the complaint doesn't seem to have much real merit, maybe the officer in question needs talking to but if the player was arrested for less than 10 minutes it's technically an IC issue. If that officer wasn't there to be actively talked to, I don't think I'd consider it worth pursuing either.

Jesus Christ

Admins could realistically invoke Rule 0 in those cases, and I recall Timber agreeing in admin discussions that it's better to give AIs more certainty in their actions and then just have admins do hand-waving in situations where it makes sense. Isnt this exactly what option B aims to do as well? Wh...

3. For arrested players, timed sentences up to a total of 10 minutes, buckle-cuffing, and stripping, are considered IC issues and are not actionable by admins. As per our security policy section of the server rules, quoted above, sentences up to 10 minutes are IC issues (ie. handle it yourself, get...

At first glance A) does seem as the better option, but there are fringe cases in which B) would make the most sense. Like, say an AI got a single law saying "all corgis must be moved to the emergency shuttle". For a while, that will restrict the AI's behavior, since it's sole focus should...

"You may only speak in riddles." is probably a lot better example here since its effect is only on the AI. I would be given to let that AI act as purged as long as it otherwise only talked in riddles. Nothing about that law imposes a duty to act or not act towards humans in an initial sen...

Sometimes I just want to run a shotgun over a disabler for funzies. Being prohibited from doing that would be lame so we should allow sec to take less than lethal weapons out of the armory roundstart. I think I would be okay with this, but I'm not sure about roundstart. I worry that it's going to l...

Given security are expected to use non-lethal weaponry anyway there should be a reason to carry a lethal weapon, more than "just in case" I would say it depends pretty heavily on the situation. At round start? Not really, since it's supposed to just be a regular day on the station. Like h...

A definitely makes more sense. B is like saying you are purged with Asimov when nobody is being harmed and nobody is giving you an order. To be fair, that wouldn't really be the case because law 3 still restricts your actions even if there aren't any humans on the station. The main idea is that I j...

I am not a fan of this, mainly because I feel like it's going to significantly reduce what little RP is already done on LRP servers. I think you're going to see people who care about roleplaying but don't want MRP rules move to the new server while everyone who plays just for gameplay will remain. ...

I am not a fan of this, mainly because I feel like it's going to significantly reduce what little RP is already done on LRP servers. I think you're going to see people who care about roleplaying but don't want MRP rules move to the new server while everyone who plays just for gameplay will remain. I...

This discussion has come up entirely too many times in admin-bus for me to not consider that the statement itself is flawed or needs elaboration. There seem to be two different ways to look at it: A) Any law that restricts the AI's behavior in any way, regardless of its current relevancy, means the ...

I remember pushing relatively hard for Higgin as admin when we started discussing someone reach out to them for training.

They have not disappointed. Easy to work with, much more patient than I am, and thorough in their investigations. +1.

The goal to become a cult borg was premeditated literally because asimov borgs arguably help cult more than they hinder I think this is where we're seeing a fundamental disconnect even if I view this at your level. I really don't see how "Cyborg who's job it is to prevent human harm" is g...

Because I was lead to believe that was the only requirement to being a part of a team antagonist was to attempt to pursue that goal, even through the stepping stones that are optimal to reach that goal. Apparently antagonist goals are not as absolute as i thought. I am still not understanding how y...

So the act of "deconverting yourself" is arbitrarily blacklisted and never allowed even when it could theoretically provide alot more value for your team? Are suicide bombs as team antagonist bad too? I actually missed this because you didn't quote me, can't tell if that was intentional o...

Coroner job doesnt have anything that helps cult on the scale that i try to play at, doing autopsies actually hurts cult since it helps the station progress towards better healing which is a major advantage cult has over crew with pylons and i didnt realize it at first when i did the first one I ac...

MooCow you know Coroner is one of the easiest jobs on the station, right? Literally your only actual expectation is to autopsy one human and one non-human, the surgery for which is maybe three steps?

Admins have historically been permitted to temporarily mute OOC players for being disruptive. I would classify "ordering another player to leave the server while spamming 5 lines in a row in OOC" as disruptive.

If this isn't a serious complaint, then why make it?

Very good ban IMO, this is literally just deconverting yourself with extra steps.

MooCow12 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:38 pm Time ban was placed: 4/18/24 (I still do not know if the forum standard is day/month/year or month/day/year

The servers are based in the US, it is month/day/year.

well yeah, thats kinda the point. Jerk RD who won't let robos make mechs is valid and the robos being mad over it and bypassing/undercutting him is valid, so it seems weird to also say admins should ban roboticists who dont ask sec for permission? I never said "We should absolutely do this&quo...

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