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JupiterJaeden

Gonna comment on this from a mostly MRP perspective as I main MRP sec. I definitely agree with higgin that the threat advisory should be the guide for how freely armory gear is distributed near roundstart, which is normally how I deal with it when I play HOS. Although even on lower threats I usually...

JupiterJaeden

Cheshify wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:48 pm how is this at 175 posts already

Anyways this can easily be solved by having shotguns 2 shot people again and entirely removing the stamina damage shells. That way, there's no debate about intent.

Cheshify with the 100% correct take
#BringBackImprovs

JupiterJaeden

In hindsight, it really was pretty bad of a ban. A lot of nuance was missed and we forgot that we shouldn't ban for non-ideality of handling things, only outright stupidity. Something we forget is that players don't play perfectly. Yes, Jeff has a lot of non-lethal tools, but that doesn't matter mu...

JupiterJaeden

Thank you for being reasonable on the issue and not forcing this into headmin review. Happy spacing.

JupiterJaeden

Alrighty, let me take this from the top. First of all, right out of the bat from the revised ban reason: rarely, if ever, giving any antagonist rope when dealing with them Anyone who regularly plays security with me can tell you this is not true. If I catch antags early on a low-threat round I almos...

JupiterJaeden

You appear to be stripping him of his belongings for some reason while presumably he is in stamina crit from being tabled. Addressed; all I did was take the gavel back from him: In this court case, the captain had not shown up to be the judge for like 5+ minutes and had also not appointed another j...

JupiterJaeden

Jackraxxus wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:27 am Gaiman is a terrible gigashitter when not playing sec
Good sec tho
Pls inverse his roleban ty

unimaginably based take xD

JupiterJaeden

In my hundreds of hours of sec officer. I can say easily that Jeff Gaiman is one of the BEST Hos players I have seen. Time and time again I have seen them RP out ENTIRE STORY ARCS in a round. I have seen them do their best to make the round interesting still for Antags that have been caught. When y...

JupiterJaeden

Ban Details BYOND account : JupiterJaeden Character name : Jeff Gaiman Ban type : Security + captain jobban Ban length : Permanent Ban reason : Banned from Roles: Captain, Head of Security, security, Warden, Detective, Security Officer permanently - Consistent History of Borderline powergaming secu...

JupiterJaeden

Fun should come before any other reason. The people who want non-human heads enabled are asking so because they want to have fun. It is fun to play heads of staff on occasion, and similarly some players find it very fun to play their favorite- and likely non-human- character. No lore, nor balance, ...

JupiterJaeden

You see the thing is- Security on most shifts are so incredibly inept stupid and blind/deaf enough to where they won’t even know you exist. Not exactly fun when you can just be killed for picking a role and instantly becoming valid by every single antagonist on the station, I can also see this bein...

JupiterJaeden

We got driven off the point really. I'm gonna recite the main point again: Antagonists (on MRP) should not be allowed to indiscriminately kill all of the Security department just for being Security. They still can kill them if they stand in the line of their objectives. The first comments by mrmelb...

JupiterJaeden

I know the major complaint is gonna be "but what about muh asimov" but we already let non-humans be security which conflicts with the AI WAY MORE than the average head of staff in most rounds, and the game still works just fine. Gonna level with you, the reason it 'works' is because every...

JupiterJaeden

Space Ninja decapitated all of the Security members on the station. I was attacked when I was just watching Security Cameras unaware, capped. You would have 100% killed the ninja on sight if you had the chance to. This is the expected way for security to deal with ninjas. How is it even remotely un...

JupiterJaeden

But is it fun to die not even trying to stop the Antagonist? To just die for being a Security Officer, just to suddenly die from a Restricted Antagonist you didn't even know about or were hunting down? Rather unfun for the entire department who got just annihilated for being possible trouble in fut...

JupiterJaeden

my understanding of restricted antags vs sec has always been that it either needs to be in pursuit of your objectives (this secoff is posted in engineering and i need to sabotage the engine, i'm going to kill him) or you have a specific example in that round that justifies attacking sec (officer di...

JupiterJaeden

No. This is a terrible idea. For the same reason it would he dumb to disallow murderboning if crew validhunting was allowed. Security is allowed to freely search for, validhunt, and attack antagonists. Antagonists must be able to freely do so in return without having to worry about justifying it to ...

JupiterJaeden

I highly doubt anyone who wants to be a head is balking at it because they can't do it with their main static. I'd love to hear if I'm wrong, though. You are 100% wrong about this. I hear people say it ALL the time in Manuelcord, at least. I imagine it's probably an issue to a lesser extent on the ...

JupiterJaeden

I 100% agree with this. Let there be non-human heads. I know the major complaint is gonna be "but what about muh asimov" but we already let non-humans be security which conflicts with the AI WAY MORE than the average head of staff in most rounds, and the game still works just fine. Non-hum...

JupiterJaeden

I think this is a bad idea and the idea that sybil/terry and manuel are "basically the same experience already amirite guys" is painfully untrue. The different rulesets do 100% give meaningful differences to the kind of play that occurs and frankly the culture is just quite different as we...

JupiterJaeden

Vekter wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:25 pm Since I get the feeling this never hit a satisfying conclusion for Jaeden, I'm going to give this another 24 hours before locking it.

I've requested headmin review and never heard a word about it. Has the banning admin informed the headmins yet?

JupiterJaeden

dendydoom wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:46 am this thread is about you but it isn't for you jeff.

I'm not gonna debate the ban here (obviously) but I will still correct basic misinformation. I didn't cremate all of the chaplain's shit, I cremated two items. This is a fact.

JupiterJaeden

He cremated EVERY SINGLE ITEM (apart from PDA without the ID) that the chaplain had. The only item that was not curated was the scythe, and thats because it gets absorbed into the body. They had no ID for ages after that because the HoP locker was teleported away by a bluespace anomaly somewhere. E...

JupiterJaeden

I suppose the issue here is two things. One, doing this while you still have an active job ban for Security roles is extremely discouraged. And while a threat to the round didn't appear warranting you to help security during the round (or just a global/roundending threat in general), you'll underst...

JupiterJaeden

RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 11:42 pm No. There are servers that cater to that experience. We are not one of them, nor should we ever be. Doubt the headmins would consider it.

did you mean to post this in the non-human heads thread lol

JupiterJaeden

Yes, non-human heads would be cool and just give people more options to customize their characters. I don't think there would be any issue with either asimov being expanded to include non-humans or crewsimov being the default. But I also think it would be fine for asimov to stay the way it is and st...

JupiterJaeden

BYOND account: JupiterJaeden Character name: Jeff Gaiman Ban type: Server Ban length: 2 days Ban reason: As a non-antagonist, first stole basic security gear from a unlocked checkpoint, an issue with RPR 7. Then later, escalated massively a conflict they won, by cremating the gear of the other side...

JupiterJaeden

I'd suggest: "An Officer placed a mime in a timerless cell for interfering with an arrest, eventually tried to escape. Jeff had been feeling as though there were a large volume of antagonists on the station and didn't want to spare the time to deal with the mime normally due to other security d...

JupiterJaeden

Okay, sure. Like I said in my post I was only requesting it because I have had a number of people say they felt this ban was unjustified, including people who have reached out to me directly to say it. It's no big deal to me if you decide not to review. Like stated before I would still like the word...

JupiterJaeden

With what happened with the mime, I feel like security staff would be alot more chill if space law included that time the person spent in custody counted towards whatever sentence they are given. Instead the common mentality is “you must be in this specific box unable to do anything for x amount of...

JupiterJaeden

The detective was in prison because he disagreed with Jeff and broke the heretic knives. Yo archie, I ain't gonna comment on the rest of it but just so you know, this ain't why I cuffed the detective. I did that because he started stunning me while I was executing the other antags lol. The heretic ...

JupiterJaeden

you stood there laser-in hand for what seemed to be the duration of his invisible wall, even a verbal warning issued here would have pushed the situation in your favor and justified a harsher outcome. Fair enough, I could have used that chance to warn him. That would have been a reasonable decision...

JupiterJaeden

Hold on, I am making one more (short) post.

JupiterJaeden

First of all a couple notes on the history. The admin message from atlanta-ned was lifted as it was meant for another person. (https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=34334) The ban about blood brothers was also lifted and the associated note was deleted. (https://tgstation13.org/phpB...

JupiterJaeden

i do like jeff, but it's obvious that his tunnel vision causes issues. a personal anecdote: i love to play lawyer, it's one of my favourite roles. but when i see jeff as hos i usually don't choose it because the sum of my experiences is that i'm either ignored or batoned and wordlessly thrown out o...

JupiterJaeden

BYOND account: JupiterJaeden Character name: Jeff Gaiman Ban type: Security jobban Ban length: 7 days Ban reason: Head of Security, security, Warden, Detective, Security Officer for 10080 minutes - An Officer placed a mime in a timerless cell for interfering with an arrest, eventually tried to esca...

JupiterJaeden

I started playing manuel well after dynamic was already a thing, but just gonna say that, as both sec, non-sec crew, and antag, I love dynamic. Manuel rounds are already much longer/slower-paced on average then sybil/terry rounds which is something I like. But in particular I like that although manu...

JupiterJaeden

y'all went through a lot of effort to play this on the forums but you know there is literally a free online version lol (and yes you can make private games)
https://secrethitler.io/

EDIT: Im dumb and cant read

JupiterJaeden

i'd gathered that the shots were from a shotgun which had resulted in that many bullets, since the timestamps indicate several bunches landing at once. Okay so you got that but then still decided to frame it as “you shot them 29 times and then let their body rot in the brig without letting them get...

JupiterJaeden

EDIT: Made this post before seeing the headmin review result. Given how dishonest your last post here was, I’m just gonna say think it’s unfair for other headmins to be judging the appeal without a chance for me to respond to that. But oh well. It seems to me here you have tried your absolute hardes...

JupiterJaeden

We need to get an idea of what the model sec player should look like. Is it possible to have such a thing without them getting complaints from anybody? if janel shot people i didn't like to death and debrained them because i want them gone i think he'd make an absolutely model sec player by what &q...

JupiterJaeden

0/10 thread title Really weak sauce job ban that’s only happening because Jeff has reached the terminal “notes/bans leading to more notes/bans” phase. Jeff’s a bit trigger happy but he honestly role plays better than most of Manuel (who have squeaky clean records because they never do anything) it’...

JupiterJaeden

permaban the clown under rule 10 for being a bitch and complaining after getting shot for griefing Clowns can have a little griefing, as a treat. I wish no ill upon the clown who met his fateful end upon the point of my shotgun. All part of the game. Tbf the clown was also encouraged by the other c...

JupiterJaeden

First of all, I dunno why you posted random screenshots from manuelcord as some kind of gotcha. Everything said there I stated in my appeal post and still stand by. Also not sure what the captain said retro-actively in manuelcord is at all relevant to an appeal lol. I will note that the ONLY thing t...

JupiterJaeden

BYOND account: JupiterJaeden Character name: Jeff Gaiman Ban type: Role (security) Ban length: 5 days Ban reason: Banned from Roles: Head of Security, security, Warden, Detective, Security Officer for 7200 minutes - Shot a clown to death for spreading Pierrot's Throat and eating a large amount of v...

JupiterJaeden

BYOND account: JupiterJaeden Character name: Jeff Gaiman Ban type: Role, security Ban length: 3 days Ban reason: Banned from Roles: Head of Security, Warden, Detective, Security Officer for 3 days - In R212860, round removed a naked blood brother, who tried to run away from him after being killed a...

JupiterJaeden

To be honest the whole issue with Jeff and the AI was a case of "everyone is stupid" with Jeff almost immediately trying to break in and not tell the AI why the disk needs to be held by someone and the AI immediately threatening him and not playing by DM ruleset. I did tell the AI why the...

JupiterJaeden

conrad wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:46 pm "Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in TGlee: 'The Sec of Manuel must be delivered over to the hands of forumites, be bannified and on the triple post be based again"

actually it's a QUADRUPLE post you just interrupted me lol

JupiterJaeden

I like Jeff a lot as a HOS, he knows his shit and he's pretty proficient. He seems like a cool guy as well from the brief interactions I've had with him ingame (cargo and security don't tend to cross paths too much on Manuel) Probably the only HOS main on Manuel that actually knows how to best use ...

JupiterJaeden

Yulice wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:35 am People should be killed for being annoying more often; death means fuck all in this game so maybe if you get fucking murdered for being a little shit people will stop being a little shit.

so true bestie

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