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This isn't the same as public streaming (i.e. via Twitch) when you're not a Registered Streamer , which is definitely against the rules. Private streaming is sharing ongoing rounds of SS13 with your friends via other methods, such as in your own private Discord server or using any sort of VoIP softw...

Positronic Brains get sent a special message in-game when the role is taken. The message can be found at https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/manuel/config/policy.json under the "Posibrain" entry and reads: Posibrain "You are a positronic brain that has been brought into existence on b...

Get maint buy in for the concept, try to find a coder that can implement it, provide rewards like antag tokens or something. Speaking as a maintainer, I support this proposition and I'd merge a PR implementing this, however I think it would require a refactoring of our permissions systems which is a...

You can't consent to being turned into one.

The problem with metaprotections is that they're largely a social construct - in that they're often 1:1 with metabenefits stemming from some gameplay factor. For example, the Prisoner role cannot roll antag. When players cottoned on to this, security started going to the brig every shift and recruit...

there is a headmin ruling (somewhere) that says that admins should consider the *possible* methods of non-harmful escape before restricting players' choices. ... This sounds like something I'd say. Are you talking about: ... When a meta-protected player initiaties a conflict, admins should keep in ...

If the blacklist gets lifted, I'm cool with the permanent server ban I placed as part of the blacklisting also being lifted so you won't need to appeal that separately.

I'd like to think the non antags resisting arrest policy can apply to this situation too. The player can evade being mindshielded in the spirit of SS13 non lethality, without harming or looting the officer etc whatever that policy says. However, just like evading arrest you open yourself up to sec t...

I'd go with dehumanises in the eyes of silicons like old WGW but I want to avoid having the word ligger anywhere in our rules and policies. Until a ruling is made I think option 4 (which I suggested in admin channels) applies. The AI can pick or choose whichever it wants that shift as long as it's c...

My advice is that the headmins don't rule on this thread and instead choose to say that silipol already has too many words and they don't care to microdefine every minor edge case with it lest I need to run for headmin again in 10 years and remove all these rulings again. Because none of this matter...

I definitely fall in the crowd that appealing shouldn't make your ban worse. It gives a poor impression that appealing may lead to a ban based on other factors than just the one you're appealing for, and discourage appealing in the first place. I know why the person was banned, and the entirely val...

... I have noticed rounds where antagonists run through the halls with their gear out and people are unperterbed if not downright friendly to them, which kind of takes away from the intrigue and deduction part of the game. I'm not sure if I prefer a station where you have to keep your status secret...

... If I was headmin, I'd've overridden the admin and upped this to a permaban and not lost even a picosecond of sleep over it. Anything less than a perma was a swing and a miss. hello, while this appeal is resolved, we have chosen to intervene as headmins and apply a permanent QC ban for this cond...

If I'm honest with you, I care little about getting them to change. I don't have that sort of altruism.

I'd prefer them gone.

Nah, it's not that he said ligger. It's that if you replace ligger with nigger in a lot of the stuff he said, it 1:1 tracks IRL. "dumbass urban liggers" "hate these illegals" "illegal ligger" "build the space walll now" "no plasma" "MINERS DO YE...

this guy is a prime example why the L word should have zero special protections from rule 11 It doesn't have any protections from Rule 11. It has special protections from being globally banned as a word. For perspective, only reason nigger is on the word filter is because MSO sat down and grepped o...

This is basically the only way players use ligger IC. And yet we still can't get a word prohibition on ligger past MSO. "Urban liggers" "Illegal ligger" "Build the space wall" "Let's make a pogrom against ligger" If I was headmin, I'd've overridden the admin a...

... I have read the idea that tighter antagonist rules mean people who do want to just zen out can do so without fear of murderboning but I think the high pop might run counterintuitive to that idea. You're always at risk of being an antagonists target no matter how much of a chill round you want. ...

... I suppose I'll be formulating a better response after I receive clarification from iansdoor in (hopefully) the next comment but I don't understand the nature of this ban and I vaguely get how it relates to rule 11. If that's ground for a denial, that's fine - I've survived this far regardless. ...

Transparency Notice I am moving this appeal to resolved to keep the appeals subforum tidy. On the most technical level, this appeal hasn't been fully resolved and a request for headmin review is still outstanding. However, I'm taking into account the following factors: Lack of player engagement in ...

Move along, folks. Nothing to see here.

Considering existing headmin input in general on this topic, I'm treating this appeal as resolved with no further input required from player or admin and no additional comments intended from the headmins.

Ban appears to have been removed, but the player hasn't connected to the game servers since.

If there is any issue with the ban removal and connecting, please open a new appeal and reference this thread in it so we can feex.

even if it is an intended reaction in the code, admins are perfectly within their rights to declare it an exploit or bug abuse, in fact they can declare anything they want an exploit and you have to stop doing it. code is not admin law and admin law is not code. The reality is that admins find it d...

I want to clarify that a player's number of notes usually only factors in to the Discord channels. The Discord bots and other out-of-game tools we have don't include such features as fading out and/or hiding older notes. In-game the tools default to only show the most recent notes and hiding everyth...

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Everyone is already aware they can do this. Nobody wants to be told they must do this. The default stance is that players shouldn't and don't need to metacom to teach. Some admins are simply more flexible on if and how they permit it than others. The most likely addition is the headmins specifying t...

It's already ask for permission. Many admins will grant permission if asked. Many will not. But all will handle instances where permission was not asked first in the appropriate way. For example, when it comes to players asking for permission to use voice comms to teach their friends I tell them tha...

If you are not playing, are you even a player? I always interpreted this to mean communication between people in the same round. Does this mean that it isn't OK to share it with people who may not be playing right now but are tgstation players who could join the round later, but it is OK to share i...

That's why we added Campbell instead of replacing Manuel.

MSO has shut Manuel down entirely on a couple of occasions to force people onto Campbell. It accomplished jack shit except pissing people off and the second Manuel was back every single admin and player went back to it. Same SS13 experience, same code, same admins, same players, different geolocati...

... Hot take, if all parties playing at the time agree to metacomming then admins should invoke rule 0 and just let them do their thing. Cheating is only bad if its harming other people that do not consent to it otherwise who cares. And frankly what was said wouldn't had made a difference if it was...

How come on NA only the MRP server is populated (most of the time), and in EU only the LRP server is populated? Do Europeans just hate roleplay? In modern SS13 it's really, really, REALLY difficult to seed a new server long-term without an equally long-term intertia-creating solution in place. Most...

Campbell isn't a special no rules/relaxed rules/join it because it's easier than setting up a local server to play while chatting with your friends on Discord about the shift server. MSO often cracks down on admins and headmins treating it as such. It is our European MRP server. If you feel it shoul...

Just to re-emphasise, the key part of this ban isn't writing/comissioning boner and/or lady cotton boner cranking and/or bean flicking material. It's doing it about other players' characters, without their consent, after coyly mentioning it's bannable IC so you know it's a dumb idea. The cherry on t...

Codified a little in Silicon Policy. Asimov and Law 2 Orders You must follow commands from humans unless those commands explicitly conflict with either a higher-priority law or another order. The conflict must be an immediate conflict, not a potential future one. Orders must be followed until the co...

The way I've always ruled it and preferred it being ruled is either: 1. Existential threat to the station, or 2. Existential threat to the shuttle or its occupants, or 3. It just makes IC sense based on the unique factors of the shift. That usually boils down to launch early or there'll be nobody le...

I'm going to try to address a few points when it comes to silicons and escalation. Silicon policy and a silicon's laws override all standard IC rules about killing, escalation, acting like an antag etc. That's the first layer of asymmetry. You also have to factor in the second layer of asymmetry - s...

Ahem.

Lol.

The kinds of deaths where you shouldn't be able to recall your killer or their name seem more limited in the context of SS13 and fights between players than where you should. I dislike rules that punish players for roleplaying but not to a specific admin's script. I don't like this idea because that...

Being technically correct is the best and most important type of correct. It beats being objectively correct.

Action taken is usually warning maybe a note unless egregious or constant then ban. The problem with handling it IC is the law of robustness comes in. The better you are at combat, the less the rules apply to you cuz you can just robust anyone that tries to stop you. On Manuel you don't need to be r...

Global caveat, in all examples assume there is no valid IC reason or no pressing need beyond "we're IC metafriends" or "I'm bored" or "I can do it better than they can" or "I don't want to wait" without anything actual incompetence or undue delay etc. Your bud...

It's a counter to avoiding roleplay by just forcing your way through others to get what you want or need. The RP rules limit player freedoms to avoid or bypass others, forcing interactions by limiting ways you can play while avoiding them. RPR9 has little to do with what's detrimental to the round a...

it's just that, if you get your job changed, a lot is riding on your shoulders all of a sudden. when I was a new chemist and only wanted to learn and make factories people yelled at me during viruses to make complex chems. I switched to assistant to do chemistry for a while so that no expectation w...

yes, this is a fair interpretation. it's something we've had a lot of discussions about, and it's something that i'm constantly trying to impress upon our new admins this term. i would hope that the time and effort i put into posting here with clear things i'd like to see and things i don't want to...

I think this is where things get confusing and where we can do a better job of enforcing the rule in a way that makes sense. I would consider a situation where the cooks are actively refusing to cook anything whatsoever as an acceptable case for someone else to start making food, but this is where ...

yes! if only... rule 0 can be intimidating to apply to a situation without experience and we have a lot of new admins atm, encouragement from me to be more understanding of nuance in these situations rather than applying the rules-as-written seemed like a sensible thing to do. a common frustration ...

RPR9 is not an admin sledgehammer to crack things they personally dislike. It's a very precise scalpel to deal with players whom are leeching job content from other players by doing their job for them. I dislike when it's used to force people to apply only a limited subset for the scope of their job...

... I was hesitant to open a complaint because I felt that admins would think of it as no harm done because it didn't result in a note, and not worth their time. I reasoned that, if I was made fun of by the admins further for making a waste of time issue post, I'd at least be able to point to it an...

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