/tg/Station 13

stewydeadmike

definitely going to be an interesting headmin term, but I'm excited

stewydeadmike

I'm cautiously optimistic. I think the new rules are an improvement definitely but my main concern is how much of an actual effect this will have with a culture that has such strong attitudes against any kind of killing seen as unjustified. You may not get yelled at by admins for plasma flooding any...

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I don't really think the problem is that people are too nice but that a lot of the structure of Manuel incentivizes people to play in fairly boring ways and makes more complex forms of roleplay/ character interactions harder to achieve. Which isn't to say people are unwilling to play/ engage with mo...

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yeah I'm not convinced we really need such a well defined naming policy especially since TG's vibe isn't really that serious to warrant it. Like as long as someone can come up with a semi-coherent explanation for why they have that name beyond "I thought it would be funny lmao", I don't re...

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sure why not

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I miss being able to gild hydroponic trays with gaia. Micromanaging plant nutrients for an hour and a half gets tedious and I liked being able to set it and forget it so I could focus on doing cool stuff instead. Also it makes it a lot harder to actually share plants with the rest of the crew since...

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I miss being able to gild hydroponic trays with gaia. Micromanaging plant nutrients for an hour and a half gets tedious and I liked being able to set it and forget it so I could focus on doing cool stuff instead. Also it makes it a lot harder to actually share plants with the rest of the crew since ...

stewydeadmike

I want to try and break out of my comfort zone more. Normally I just stick to easy, low stakes jobs like cargo and service because I don't want to get yelled at for being incompetent or screwing something up but its been getting kind of stale lately. Especially with antags since I usually spend too ...

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Chemists will inevitably blow themselves up trying to make meth

Nukies always forget to enable their internals

botanists will make copious amounts of weed or deathnettles and nothing else

Cargo will inevitably spark a war with sec over gun crates

Chaplains only play for the armor/nullrod

stewydeadmike

I can really only speak from my experience on manuel but, yeah decent RP moments are few and far between

stewydeadmike

honestly any sec officer I see who doesn't just run around acting like they're playing TTT or something is already in the upper percentile of good security players imo. More specifically though I like seeing security officers who at least try and take some time to build rapport with the crew they're...

stewydeadmike

I’ve heard it being “worse” on Manuel but people lose sight of how hard it is to be the odd-one-out or the new guy who doesn’t get all the lingo and vibes from the start. Every social situation ever has been like that. The absolute best thing you can do is see people walk into the same pitfalls you...

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I agree that more complexity doesn't really make a better game but I wonder if the issue is entirely a rise in complexity or more so that there's seemingly not a lot of effort put into making these systems compelling. Like when I think about other games that have similarly complex systems like CDDA ...

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omega weed joints exploding if you smoke them for too long

stewydeadmike

Families always did feel like a square peg trying to fit into a round hole. I don't know if it could have ever really worked since it started from the assumption that people were here for RP first and foremost which just simply isn't true for TG. Even on Manuel seeing anyone try to like actually do ...

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Yeah, I agree thieves have really just become a threat dump. Even though I like the core concept of thief as a way to sort of enshrine greytiding as an actual role it really doesn't work. Even having like five or six thieves in a round is almost unnoticeable since they basically have to go about the...

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the maintenance tunnels are easily my favorite part of kilo. With electrified grilles and monsters around every corner it seems like the only station that really lives up to the whole "metal death trap" ethos. the only real problem Kilo has imo is that visually its very noisy. And while it...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqMLukTUU3A

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honestly I think the QM being the only head role that also allows non-humans creates an interesting contradiction that people can take advantage of IC. Like say you're playing as iunno a moth rights activist and you try and convince the QM to help you agitate for more non-humans in power by pointing...

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we should bring back Jungle Fever tbh

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https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/13175

apparently wizards used to be able to buy SM swords and summon singulos(?) Wild honestly

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/17629

I forgot that there was a time RND was able to just print weapons including full on gatling lasers.

stewydeadmike

I think it being a cargo exclusive thing is a pretty good idea but 250 for a whole box seems really cheap now that we have paychecks again.

Also ducks is right, shotguns are just way cooler aesthetically than laser guns.

stewydeadmike

Ashwalkers. They're an absolute gold mine for RP and great moments even though most miner mains hate them because they often interrupt their lootin' and shootin'. Other than that I'd say cult. is it unbalanced? yeah, but that's what makes them fun to fight against. You actually have to like band tog...

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PS: If you know how to sell items on the cargo shuttle, but link that purchase to individual ID cards. Please also post that. Like selling plasma, but instead of cargo getting the credits for the sale, your ID does. Someone did that for me one time. you gotta swipe your ID on a sales tagger and the...

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Revolutions is easily one of the best podcasts out there if you're into history

Stuff You Should Know is another pretty good one, not my go to usually but if I need something to listen to I'll pop it on for awhile.

stewydeadmike

I always imagined MRP to have the same sort of vibe of like HLVRAI or a chill TTRPG session. You play at least a semi-consistent character, and engage with the game through the lens of that character. Kinda like improv acting. What's both frustrating and enjoyable about Manuel though is that occasio...

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Cytology really highlights the need for communication infrastructure that will actually facilitate interdepartmental supply chains more complex than just running up to another departments front desk, handing them a laundry list, and then hoping they actually do it or bargaining with them if they jus...

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Legion cores being a straight up aheal The separated chems plant trait some of those weird obscure engines cargo used to be able to order like the antimatter one that I honestly kinda miss. The stock market And I don't know if this counts because it was only test merged for like a few rounds but pix...

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I only got to play like one round with it, but seems to me that antags have the most to gain from it since being able to move around maint quickly makes evading capture a hell of a lot easier. Though I also imagine that this would make hiding any kind of hideout larger than a broom closet exponentia...

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snip I agree with this tbh, I think spiders in their new form are actually quite enjoyable and being a powerful threat that can't be solved by conventional methods of just shooting them forces you to think outside of the box to try and overcome them. Not to say there aren't things that could use tw...

stewydeadmike

If you asked me "what makes the actual game fun" then it's social interaction. I used to rush xenobiology green slimes for abductor mutation toxin due to wanting to be a gray alien (very few fucking games allow this, which goes back to my first part of this post on why I like this game/se...

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is there anything unique (outside theming ofc) that wizard brings to the table? Is there like a fundamental experience of wizard that isn't found in other antags? The feeling of overcoming the odds against a powerful enemy/dangerous situation, (which in my experience often aren't even in the wizard'...

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I honestly can't think of any wiz round that I actually enjoyed playing in. Most are just a sudden end screen popping up after 10 minutes of a wizard being called out or seeing some blue robed dude teleport in and instakill me. It's just such a fundamentally boring mode unless you get to be the wiza...

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going random name/appearance only might as well just coincide taking Manuel out back and putting it down. RP already struggles with people being able to develop their own characters round after round and I can't imagine that would suddenly get better when no one has any defined character to latch on...

stewydeadmike

As someone who observed that round watching 90% of the station naruto run into the SM with such determination and purpose as the borgs helplessly try to stop them is an image that is likely going to be burned into my mind forever.

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Ironically I've seen cults and revolutions play out better on anything other than the actual cult and revolution gamemodes. Were people actually have to put some thought into persuading others to their cause/cool kids club and can't just be pointed to and outed as a bad man instantly. I certainly th...

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The process for acquiring/fulfilling bounties should really be decentralized, because having to run from your department to cargo to get a bounty that is often times not really worth the effort, back to your department to complete it, then back to cargo to claim it can be tedious at times. Also is t...

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it seems like the biggest, non-code related, issue with cult on Manuel (and well just team modes in general on Manuel) is the cultural perspective on these modes. The moment everyone realizes it's cult most people just switch over to gamer mode which creates a cycle of "well it's TDM, no one is...

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wholeheartedly agree with this. I've seen so many rounds that have a setup for something cool to happen go down the drain because someone thought sitting in departures for 10 minutes instead of dealing with whatever was threatening the station was a better plan. Maybe the ability to call the shuttle...

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Yeah there's no real way to cut it other than this note is just ridiculous. Wesoda was acting how you should expect people to act on an RP server and not jumping to instantly delete the big bad. And even if you swapped out the ling in this case with some random crew member a note would still be ques...

stewydeadmike

yeah you can pretty much already do this with the rags you find in the bar. Just dump a beaker of whatever onto a rag, use it on someone with harm intent and they will instantly ingest whatever was in the rag provided they don't have any mouth covering. They can only hold 5 units though so their use...

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I agree that the sense of urgency is good but I can't really think of any other event that hits the station as hard or as fast as this one does except for maybe catastrophic meteors. I don't think the crew really needs that much time but just a minute or two to organize and gear up would help a ton ...

stewydeadmike

So after observing/playing a fair few rounds of this and from collecting other players opinions on it there's a fair amount of feedback I would like to give. First off, THE GOOD: -I like the mechanic of someone being able to sacrifice themselves to the SM to help the rest of the crew. I think it cou...

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