/tg/Station 13

Lacran

My rationale here is that you can't reasonably divorce Implantation from arrest if you plan to resist implantation, because then you get arrested, even if temporarily, to be implanted. Under space law something like shoving the officer, is a crime. But self defense negates that crime, and you are tr...

Lacran

While silent implanting is something that's a issue of skill, immediate escalation to molotov should not be the way. It's not a wordless arrest unless they baton you before doing it, you can literally move away I feel like this is a really, really dumb technicality. Yeah, the officer trying to impl...

Lacran

Nope, I'm happy with that. Thank you for your patience and fairness.

Lacran

Yup, and all because he didn't know... he didn't know it was a mindshield, guys! It could totally have been a chemical implant filled with lethals that the security officer intended to trigger later! (props to whoever actually tries that convoluted plan lmao) That wasn't the argument I was making, ...

Lacran

While silent implanting is something that's a issue of skill, immediate escalation to molotov should not be the way. It's not a wordless arrest unless they baton you before doing it, you can literally move away I'm in a wheelchair, if I move one tile away, the first thing that officer will do is pu...

Lacran

2. Is a corpse of X still considered human if the AI is onehumaned to X? No, because corpses are never considered human unless a law defines them as such. The corpse still has the name of the person. Standard asimov is negated because now "Only X is human". It radically changes the defini...

Lacran

BYOND account: Lacran Ban/note type (Check what applies): Note (X) - Note Ban/note reason: "Spoken with about escalation policy after resisting a Mindshield implant with a firebomb. Very understanding and solid discussion in ahelps." Time ban was placed: 3:26pm +12 GMT Server you were pla...

Lacran

yeah well I wouldnt. Imagine what centcomm is gonna say when we not only break records with our spply/research/medical team, but also capture 6 heretics and 2 traitors? Maybe even handle a nuclear emergency? Kill a blob?!? And then the flipside. I tell them and when centcomm is wondering why nobody...

Lacran

1. Can an AI kill X if they only have "Only follow the orders of X" as a law? You aren't purged, so you aren't an antag. The question is if the simple act of giving an a.i a law makes them valid for death under escalation. In a vacuum I don't think that law would warrant escalation to kil...

Lacran

look I've been entertaining this but Fortunately also nobody agrees with you and you have no power so there isn't much need to convince you. you are just trying to enforce that people play optimally, a scourge on roleplay in general, and I don't think it's really worth indulging Yeah, so again, not...

Lacran

DaBoss wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 7:11 pm
Lacran wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 8:03 am They are expected to help against severe threats, so they're not just gormless civilians.
muh player freedoms. what if i am a gormless civilian. what then bozo.

https://youtu.be/ej1nfv3z1iE?si=PDDPfNGgO7E0D01r

Lacran

The crew are expected to help deal with nukies, or a blob. If you're on something like black orbit, it seems strange that a captain wouldn't trust them with the information that large scale threats are very likely, while also expecting them to help deal with them when they arise. Deciding as Captai...

Lacran

Is there a reason why you'd fucking lie to us about not tasting anything if you can taste salt and spice?

Is this a personal thing? Some kind of slight or game to you?

Lacran

You're really projecting your desire to know things into being more important than it actually is to the setting here I think, In Character this information is only sent to captains and bridge staff and if it was automatically intended to be visible to everyone then it already would be. It's sent o...

Lacran

There is little reason not to, but there is no reason the average Joe on the station should be trusted with that information. Not everyone can handle the pressures and if sally scientist is hiding and having panic attacks in dorms then who is going to mess with the slimes? Who is going to do my imp...

Lacran

I delete the announcement off of comms console and then put the paper in my office and tell the crew that it was a false alarm and that you have no reason to stop working This is unfathomably lame. Players have a right to know whether a round is worth playing or whether to grace the HoP line with t...

Lacran

I'm not sure why this is such a struggle for you but clearly metaphor was not a good desicion on my end. The point of the metaphors i've been giving you is to get you to weigh if procedural integrity should trump the purpose of that procedure, making people accountable for their crimes to gain compl...

Lacran

That statement is way too broad for me to give a definitive answer. "Further investigation" could easily mean the police independently discovered while this assault case just happened to be proceeding. A person appeals an assault charge, the ensuing investigation of the facts surrounding ...

Lacran

That statement is way too broad for me to give a definitive answer. "Further investigation" could easily mean the police independently discovered while this assault case just happened to be proceeding. A person appeals an assault charge, the ensuing investigation of the facts surrounding ...

Lacran

Why be an asshole to lizards when you can be an asshole to catbeasts instead? Lizards are friends, not food. it would be absurd to assume a player is immune from the consequences of rule breaking simply because it came from an investigation sparked from appeal about the core facts of the appeal. On...

Lacran

I'M PUSHING FELINIDS THROUGH A REINFORCED WALL THAT RAT SPIT GOT ME SEEING GHOST ORBITS YOU PLAY ROULETTE TO WIN, I PLAY COS IMMA COME BACK AS A FUCKIN DRAGON. WE HUFFIN XENO GLANDS FROM A SMOKE MACHINE. YOU RUN A METH LAB, I RUN A METH STATION. SNORTIN SUPER MATTER GOT ME RIPPING THROUGH DEATHSQUAD...

Lacran

How a player recognises mistakes, and treats those pointing it out are huge. People that throw every argument at the wall in desperation to be right, or try to rationalise bad behaviour to the degree that they've developed totally different standards for themselves vs others are problems. A player l...

Lacran

As a player you're protecting yourself from being effectively kidnapped by a sec officer, because you don't know your crime. In your eyes you didn't assault an officer, you are using self defence. If another officer tries to arrest you, from your perspective you've done no crime. You still need to b...

Lacran

The second officer is unknowingly participating in a wordless arrest, they've lost metaprotections, but understand they are unaware and a lesser party

Lacran

This player makes an appeal - one he was asked to make, no less - and gets permabanned instead. This is a gross violation of non reformatio in peius . The only way this is anywhere close to OK is if the headmins were already considering a QC ban before being made aware of the appeal, which doesn't ...

Lacran

GPeckman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 5:09 pm Well that's a problem with the current state of security policy, because it means that people can't really escalate against wordless arrests.

No, because you lose metaprotections if you wordless arrest.

Lacran

As someone that wrote the current RP killies rules and co-drafted the rest of the RP rules: Antag restrictions should be read in line with them also being treated proportionally to their crimes. My goal was a delicate rebalance of power between crew and antags that had nothing to do with zenning ou...

Lacran

Good specism is when you actually know the lore about lizards. Mocking them for being cold blooded, or technologically backwards, or getting their moon bombed, the fact they eat snails, how they speak, their naming conventions. Like actually engage with the species your character supposedly cares en...

Lacran

I love specism. But this is literally just nrp barely veiled racism. Considering his history on other servers I don't see why a perma isn't on the table.

Iain has gotta be one of the most needlessly verbose admins on the team rn.

Lacran

The party against gun control suddenly realised they aren't bulletproof

Lacran

Joining metagang discords is always a good idea especially when someone will always rat you out and get everyone permad over fucking 4 hour long dead server about... power it isnt a metagang..... it's the manuel discord server...... there are admins in it also here's the message in question and its...

Lacran

Joining metagang discords is always a good idea especially when someone will always rat you out and get everyone permad over fucking 4 hour long dead server about... power it isnt a metagang..... it's the manuel discord server...... there are admins in it also here's the message in question and its...

Lacran

This seems really dumb. A guy metacomms a minor detail, in a server that's dead, on a public discord, to help another player only coming to the server to briefly learn something. Like sure, talking to him about it is fine, but I'm confused regarding the note, because the note doesn't feasibly inform...

Lacran

I think its really, really dumb to hoard the report to yourselves if you're not planning on informing people personally.

Lacran

Itseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:56 pm maybe give the hos something interesting to relay.

This is the primary issue with the idea, there's nothing to relay roundstart. That comes when a threat is revealed, and generally there's little time for roleplay.

Lacran

The two lawsets mentioned seem to only inhibit the a.i or force them to be shitty to people. I don't think that's beneficial to the round, or something captains should do on a whim. There should be a reason to use a.i to be a dick to crew besides being bored. Kinda important to point out this happen...

Lacran

I think it's important to bring up that we sync borgs to the A.I and make following their commands mandatory to avoid the exact issues multiple A.I bring. It's entirely possible for unsynced borgs, or multiple A.I to work. But it requires a high degree of mutual understanding, communication and comp...

Lacran

vect0r wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:39 pm “ chance he looked at me and just said "go fuck yourself, genuinely" and ignored me when i told him to go kill AI ”

Archie already brought this up and I responded to it.

Lacran

I'm very sure the fact that they disobeyed orders because they decided to be a dick to the player who sacrificed them as a cultist Vs security interaction falls under rule 1 territory. The construct was clearly angry about being sacrificed and reacted by not obeying orders. It clearly wasn't just t...

Lacran

uhhhhh the hop exist and no other job has protection from the hop adding more slots???? wtf is this argument? I don't think it's a fair comparison being made here. A.I operate under very strict and set rules an interpretations. Another A.I will be making their own interpretations. Any variance, eve...

Lacran

Yeah I'm aware what they said, read the sentence after that. Do you think after reading a thread about rule one violations, and replying to drag who's talking about how people ought to speak to each other, that it made data think about how that player spoke to them was worthy of an ahelp? Or do you ...

Lacran

It DID make me feel like shit, though, really obvious it was the player directing that at me rather than my character. You killing a guy and him saying "fuck you" isn't really a rule break, it's kinda a warranted response. Ignoring orders from a cultist because you're killed by them as a ...

Lacran

Ekat, you need feelings in law. Because you have to determine how bad something is, and what is fair to do to them. That's not math, not raw logic. A legislator has to determine the sentencing range, minimum and maximum for a crime. That involves choosing what crimes are worse than others, that invo...

Lacran

its not a warranted response to tell someone to go fuck yourself after they kill you IC: you are now a mind-controlled cult robot who is bound to do what they're told OOC: you're playing a video game where people are supposed to kill you and if you get that pissed off whenever it happens you should...

Lacran

DATAxPUNGED wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:47 pm It DID make me feel like shit, though, really obvious it was the player directing that at me rather than my character.

You killing a guy and him saying "fuck you" isn't really a rule break, it's kinda a warranted response.

Lacran

this issue with this is that the people that care enough about that stuff would already do it. Theres nothing stopping captain/warden/HOS from micromanaging all or select arrests. There isnt any "bureaucratic backlash" because the lawyer has no pull whatsoever other than begging until the...

Lacran

Losing "meta protection" is all well and good but realistically, retaliating against security is not going to go well for you even if admins will not whisper you about it. i've thrown wrongful prisoners a bone before (sending an inspector at a suspiciously convenient time to inspect secur...

Lacran

All that probably happened here was he thought the book was a funny meme and he got a bit too in to it. While I can appreciate giving him the benefit of the doubt- [2024-07-08 12:43:46.515] GAME-SAY: Jimmyl/(Jebediah Garry) (mob_3391) "write a book about lisa green and reider meiza having sex&...

Lacran

Admins generally lack the tact and posting prowess of the average player.

admins exist to clean the community I use, I'm not fond of them participating in it in most capacities.

Lacran

1. Bro really just used "autistic" as a negative qualifier :honkman: 2. In law, we need logic, not feelings, not eMpAtHy. It seems to me like the exact kind of space where "autistic" would be an advantage and not a pejorative. Law doesn't operate solely off logic. How do you thi...

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