/tg/Station 13

Reimoo

People would just log in once after a hiatus to get their antag fix and then not stick around to play another round. I think the result would just be less traitors devoted to putting on a good show for the rest of the crew. Not to mention the metagaming problem bandit mentioned earlier. Also, I woul...

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I like it.

There has to be at least one Khorne reference.

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If you read the rest of the post I intended for the changes to be more directed towards making the AI less of an antag dunking machine.

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I don't think the AI should have to go through artificial UI barriers just for the sake of keeping it busy. That is poor game design and it's not fun to play.

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In light of everyone calling to completely axe the AI and all its capabilities, I think part of the reason this is so is that right now it's more equipped for weeding out bad guys rather than actually helping the crew as intended. While these nerfs are good, as to not completely remove the whole &qu...

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IMO they should just have a card wiper or something. On the spot demotions need to be easier to do.

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Microscopics wrote: - Goal of killing crew and collecting x skulls/heads as a trophy.

Wait why would its objectives consist of killing the crew? Shouldn't it be the xenos?

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Janiborgs should get one too.

So they can uh cleanse people. With fire.

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Aesthetic wise I think it is a good idea to actually imagine what a room would look like in first person and use examples from real life when you're designing it. It helps identifying rooms and their purpose more easily. Also I couldn't agree more on lighting. There really is an abundance of light o...

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Sorry for the sudden hiatus. It's just that after playing my map and walking around it for the first time I am really dissatisfied with it. It feels incredibly small - probably because of the lesser amount of hallway space as compared to other stations, even though it still has almost the same squar...

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Nobody uses the space piano anymore?

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Arete wrote:AI nerfs should focus on making stealthy play more feasible without enabling boring one-sided massacres to happen without sec being able to counter them.

Traitor buffs, security buffs, hard AI nerfs, nothing gets removed?

Sounds good yes?

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More blindspots and easier camera sabotage is quick and easy remedy, I think.

Can we try that first, maybe? Removing the AI would cause a backlash three times as worse than when movespeed was nerfed.

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As long as they are much more vulnerable to subversion than the AI is I think it's a great addition.

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A simple solution to all of this would be to give traitors new and more varied escape mechanisms, and for cheap. One use, of course. Also for people who are calling for a new map, I'm going to shamelessly shill for the map that I'm working on right now - https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f...

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>get arrested for trying to beat up the janitor >borg bucklecuffs me in a cell with broken windows and no timer sentence >while I am screaming at the borg a scientist walks up to me, takes my backpack and gives it back >too distraught over being arrested FOR NO RASIN to think anything of it >as I fr...

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Well ling gameplay has never been about stealing identities and creating paranoia. These new changes aren't bad but the shapeshifting gimmick still isn't really useful.

Are you one of them?? is kinda the idea I had in mind.

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Wait, I think I got it.

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Jeez, designing this is like trying to solve a puzzle.

If there were elbow pumps this would be so much easier.

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Okay, atmosia Mk2

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Oh jeez, time for atmos

What's my grade?

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Thanks!

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Cargo layout is basically done now.

All that's left is science, engineering, and some misc rooms.

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You can use harm intent on photocopiers.

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Chemicals have always been the most limiting factor in Ling's power. You can give me unlimited evolution points but I'm still going to limit myself to using the 6-7 abilities that make Ling robust. Lings will see a small spike in power as they get the next 2-4 evolution points and then it plateaus ...

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Scones wrote:" If it was changed to be something like "YOU FEEL AN INTENSE BLOODLUST AND RAGE AT YOUR COWORKERS"

Fluff wise we could just say you're fed up with your job and you just want to go postal.

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Sounds kinda boring tbh.

Would be much more interesting if they were fighting over an objective.

Say, kidnapping the captain, for instance.

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Our med system has been completely awful for years now and yet nobody wants to do anything about it.

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It would turn sybil's massive population into a plus, that's for sure.

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You could be converted, but given no special antagonist items, meaning you only have what is available to you as a crewman to use in a fight. Is that not interesting though? Improvised weapons fit the theme nicely I think. If there has to be more antag equipment it needs to be more ghetto melee wea...

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How come we can't make them shapeshifters like they are supposed to be?

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Do I count, allura?

Updated the OP map image. Here's cargo and mining.

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That's a good point.

I adjusted perma based on this and I was allowed to re-add solitary confinement and finally make space for a dedicated equipment room. Some people might not like it aesthetically though cause lol asymmetric cells

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Yeah I was toying with the idea of giving the HoS a window into perma to taunt the prisoners but like Lumi said I figured it would be to much of a security hazard without space inbetween.

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Or maybe we could try tweaking gameplay to return the average round time to around an hour like it's supposed to be.

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^^
Not gonna lie. Zonestation 13? That sounds kinda fun.

Good luck getting someone to code it though.

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We need foldable chairs that can be picked up and used as two handed weapons.

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Yeah. The R-walls and such are details that can come later. Thanks for the feedback guys.

And now, behold! Brig attempt #3.

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Okay, how's this?

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I completed enough to stitch the departments together. Now I can take screenshots of the entire thing! I put it up in the OP.

What do you guys think of the plaza? Too big, too small? Keep in mind that it will be filled with some decorations and it will not be completely empty like it is now.

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Thanks for the feedback guys. I really appreciate it.

I uploaded arrivals and service designs to the OP and here's a medbay design.

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Yeah, I can peek my head in IRC whenever.

I made another design though anyway.

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Could you elaborate please?

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Uploaded a brig design. Not so sure about the armory placement.

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I like the bad cop antag idea.

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Science has the greatest affinity with the silicons. I find it silly that the path to the core is in engineering on both box and meta.

Also, yeah, disposals will be in proximity to cargo. I'm not worrying about all the niche rooms at the moment because those can really be shoved anywhere.

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Yeah, exactly!

Often times people are forced to hunt for a place to build their gimmicks. Not saying that this is the sole purpose of this map, but it is one of the reasons I designed it this way.

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Yeah, I figured, but I'm going to try to make it more than just a big empty space. Think of it more like a hub.

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Shifted the north maint tunnel behind science, moved engineering north a bit, put library in a less important location, turned lockers into a pseudo hallway to merge south traffic together and added a little more detail. Also tried to make my bad handwritng more legible. I wanted cargo to be near to...

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The basic idea behind this is that the station features a central plaza that connects everything, and allows the crew a nice open area to build gimmicks/host events for the entire station to enjoy. _____________________ I canned the entire old design I had cause frankly I wasn't satisfied with it, s...

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