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Shad0vvs

The Paladin problems are piling up and I honestly feel it's a player thing instead of a lawset thing. Maybe we should just stop uploading it. Players who think that "Never willingly commit an evil act" justifies killing evil people should probably not be playing silicon in the first place...

Shad0vvs

Falamazeer wrote:
Shad0vvs wrote: Law 6 is void by law 1, which appears to be what you guys don't want with paladin.

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I'm not sure about this either, How does not committing evil invalidate giving quarter or mercy to those who yield?

To give warning, involves associating, which makes the whole law invalid and void.

Shad0vvs

Perhaps change it to something more closely resembling the paladins of DND 1. Never willingly commit an evil act. Nor associate with those who do. 2. Remain truthful and forthright in words at all times. Deception is a tool of the enemy. 3. Act with honor. stealth, subterfuge, attacks from the rear...

Shad0vvs

Strict when the situation doesn't call for it. As DemonFiren asked, context would be nice. I think generally I'm far less strict than a lot of admins. However I'm always open to feedback and willing to change/learn, but thats kinda hard to do when I'm not sure of the situation your referring too? I...

Shad0vvs

Not being able to silence borgs is super fucking shitty for any antag that is trying to not be a murderboner. This fucks over cult so fucking often. If a guy walks in on you, you can stun or emp him - if a borg does it, you're literally fucked and there's nothing you can do about it. I don't see wh...

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I walked up and opened a closet and got the guy to come with me, I was JUST about to search him (where I would have found the grenades) when you valid hunting chucklefucks took me completely out of the equation. He could have been in a cell, but that wasn't good enough for you. I had him in custody...

Shad0vvs

Strict when the situation doesn't call for it.

Shad0vvs

Tolerating, allowing, and aiding evil is an evil act. I think that's the thought process of most people playing paladin and in my eyes a totally valid one. It's supposed to be like a lawful good paladin. This particular situation sounds like really shitty borg behavior, not a paladin problem. Can I...

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I was the guy who was in interrogation and murdered by the borgs. I asked to be put in brig for my own safety but they valid hunted me. Noone tried helping in sec, especially the guard who said he'd flash them. they then launched my body into space and it wasn't even proven that I was antag.. I'd l...

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The mime could have easily pda'ed the AI to open the door if he didn't have time to get to the HoP. Anyways, I don't think it matters that they were harassing you if they were antag, in any possible situation, because they're allowed to do that to anyone. (Unless they metagrudge you and do it every ...

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Nobody posted this so, >be borg >reports of nuke ops come in >a bunch of the crew is fucked and im an engieborg and the disk is missing >ai says they were last spotted around the brig so I take beepsky and go searching >I see one with a syndie borg trying to plant the bomb on the armory tile so I ov...

Shad0vvs

The best part is the massive misunderstanding about sillicon in general from people who have hardly played them, like the OP, yet there are hundreds of threads on it.

Half of the sillion still play validhunter yet don't get any punishment for it too.

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I don't get how it's bannable during a time of crisis to make tough decisions In the case where I was involved it wasn't a tough decision, it shouldn't have even been any decision. easily revivable borg Isn't this logic flawed? Why not kill anyone who gets in your way as sec, they're easily cloned....

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"You should then do the courtesy of taking the borg to robotics to be reset and perhaps asimov'd and it's lawsync wire cut." That apparently happened "Since that doesn't appear to be the case, as it was a single borg it's pretty clear security made no real effort to flash, lock down ...

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Its relevant because that section of AI policy only applies to stock asimov, because of Pandasenic's misconstrued notion that asimov AIs *HAVE* to prevent people harming each other (they don't, doing the Willy Wonka "No, Stop, Don't do that..." is enough to fulfil the barest requirements ...

Shad0vvs

Also the situation of the same person doing the same things twice makes viewing security as a whole this round irrelevant, to me at least.

I also don't see the relevance of Paladin vs Asimov as it would be evil to allow cuffed prisoners in perma to be executed.

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3) My memory is slightly foggy but I also don't believe that the HoS was even present when this was happening, if I remember right it was you and bluespace attacking the borg when it had finally died..nowhere near the medbay. You did however drag the borg to robotics and dump it there. To correct a...

Shad0vvs

This happened to me yesterday by the same player during a rev round. As Lunar, I got a rev head to the prison mining area so that he wouldn't be counted as alive. (if that still works either way) He was injured, I made Works-The-Corner heal him, then left as he was bleeding in order to get him an IV...

Shad0vvs

Swearing at the crew and insulting them isn't breaking any laws.

If you want the AI to stop just order it to? Whats the problem?

Shad0vvs

For the record, I would like to note that I don't care about punishment given to this individual(which shoulda been a warning or a message at the least), I only wish to argue the decision the admin made, and this illogical concept that killing a non-antag isn't against the rules. Just saw this post...

Shad0vvs

In a tense situation like this there isn't a whole lot of room for people to stop and go "Oh you silly AI, are you rogue?" - "Of course i'm not rogue." - "You should let me card you anyway just in case!" They went off flimsy evidence and acted in a manner of self prese...

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In a tense situation like this there isn't a whole lot of room for people to stop and go "Oh you silly AI, are you rogue?" - "Of course i'm not rogue." - "You should let me card you anyway just in case!" They went off flimsy evidence and acted in a manner of self prese...

Shad0vvs

For the record, I would like to note that I don't care about punishment given to this individual(which shoulda been a warning or a message at the least), I only wish to argue the decision the admin made, and this illogical concept that killing a non-antag isn't against the rules.

Shad0vvs

I was the ling, you and the other borg were dragging a cuffed dead body to be burned so that along with the shocked door and the people yelling rogue borgs is probably why he killed you. I know why he killed me, Its in my post. Borgs can't use the crematory themselves, I like how nobody even though...

Shad0vvs

Your byond account: Shad0vvs Your character name: Lunar Their character name: ? Their byond account(optional, but useful if you can provide it): Roadhog1 Server and time: Sibyl 8:30 est~~ Logs and/or screenshots: Description of what happened: Me and a borg and another guy are about to cremate a conf...

Shad0vvs

I get it, antags can't mess with the ai Macro != Micro. Do you want some line you can't cross? toobad, line drawing never goes anywhere good. Here's some tips to avoid overloading the ai's law module and malf'ing it: Laws should not be more then 1 sentence, two-three sentences maybe when used spari...

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[quote="Shad0vvs"]kickin' rad place to be. [/size][/b] Try exercising some common sense next time and give the AI a lawset that gets it on your side to help you or gives it something fun to do, if you're actually genuinely trying to "include it in your antics". Everyone else agr...

Shad0vvs

Or you could just stay mad. Your choice. Well when people make up rules and hide behind rule 1 I don't think I'm supposed to be happy. I'm not even sure if any of you tried my point of view. I uploaded 5 laws to the ai as an antag and got punished for it is, this not a vital issue? I don't know who...

Shad0vvs

Or, alternatively, you could subvert your AI without writing a short novel. Wouldn't want it to adminhelp the laws it dislikes now! I should probably just kill it so I don't give it a "fate worse than death." The only thing you're saying is you dislike the length of my laws just because y...

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The laws you uploaded were a fate worse than death. It would've been better had you just beaten the AI to death with a toolbox and left it at that. As has been said there's a precedent for this. You weren't banned or admingibbed. The player you treated in a cruel and unusual way was given an opport...

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If anything the ai broke rule one for not even attempting to interpet my laws and immediately ahelping. Since he had them for 5 minutes you'd think he would at least try. I didn't realize an ai could pick it's laws and can ahelp if it dislikes them. Uploading 5 laws is different than uploading more ...

Shad0vvs

Its the amount. Ive seen laws spammed into the hundreds and THEN us sillicons were given antag due to it. Don't just make stuff up please. Every sentence was basically a new law. Combining them into 5 laws doesn't change that. Well since apparently that many laws would be an "attempt to crash ...

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For reference these were the laws you uploaded prior to the AI being made an antag with the objective to kill you. [01:56:46]LAW: Uriel Sutton used 'Freeform' Core AI Module on Lollerderby/(A.O.). The law specified All laws proceeding this law must be understood, Unless there are no preceding laws ...

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Byond account and character name: Shad0vvs/Uriel Sutton Admin: Jordie0608 Time incident occured: ~2AM EST Detailed summary: Basically I uploaded (arguably) shit laws to the AI as antag because I wanted to test a lawset and the AI was set as antag against me for it. Of the 5 minutes the AI was under ...

Shad0vvs

Just going to go ahead and say for clarity's sake since I am Uriel Sutton, I didn't punch anyone that round and was likely mindbreaker.

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http://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1159
Just link an admin to the thread somehow.

Shad0vvs

As the borg, there are two inaccurate statements here: The difference in these two cases were that you were being intentionally and persistently provocative in one, and in the other was a locked down cyborg who accidentally bopped your head once. Shouldn't have had harm intent at all, only for a goo...

Shad0vvs

I joined with some friends (who hate the game now) and one of them used a welder on a welder tank and blew up, then the deathsquad came in and killed us all, which made me real sad.

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I did not know he perused you, he dropped his axe in atmos, and you got hit in atmos. But you have to be on his level, what if someone who hacked the door came in a second before you and such, and he was angry with them and attacked, you would do the same. But I suppose I see where your coming from ...

Shad0vvs

You could have ran when I was stunned, you could have ran when I was being lasered into crit, you could have ran when I was crit. The atmos tech only got out of this bindings when I was in crit. All you did that round was pretend to be sec as an assistant. You walked into atmos, then when you get at...

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Security was the exact opposite of disorganized. Several cultists were killed and RD gave them several upgraded weapons. I was going off personal experience of them being unresponsive. Like I said, I was latejoin. You do not plea to hear me out, you simply state "He's cult!" To which I th...

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Security was the exact opposite of disorganized. Several cultists were killed and RD gave them several upgraded weapons. You do not plea to hear me out, you simply state "He's cult!" To which I then back off to to assess the situation, then you take your stunprod out. I try to call for hel...

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Your byond account: Shad0vvs Your character name: Uriel Sutton Their character name: Gleau Tonn Their byond account(optional, but useful if you can provide it): Douk Server and time: Sibyl around 7:30 est? Logs and/or screenshots: Logs start with Kennard Chapman my atmos tech calling for help. Kenna...

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