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onleavedontatme

It is important to remember we are not trying to design a functional society with sane laws and its actually okay for our "citizens" to murder one another. Our rules exist to provide some level of coherence to the violence so it feels meaningful, not to prevent it.

onleavedontatme

There is still a big difference between critting and killing. It isnt hard to stop beating a man to death. It's even easier to not start throwing fists or swinging toolboxes or breaking into departments if you don't want to end up dead. Sure it's great if a chef refrains from turning the assistant ...

onleavedontatme

We also have multiple people working on maps so we'll be back up to 7 again soon if there isn't some sort of limit

onleavedontatme

We had 7 (and possibly more) maps recently before we cut several of them, was just a ballpark number I was griping about when talking about having to move the vault several times over

onleavedontatme

Citrus mentioned readding the line so this is an offshoot

It'd be particularly depressing if "you can only respond with equivalent reasonable force" was added because someone tried four separate times to vigilante murder people over moving their own department gear and died for it.

onleavedontatme

Furthermore is there any actual value to splitting hairs over "reasonable equivalent intent" and providing an OOC safety net when an assistant randomly attacks you or smashes up your workplace? If they don't like being dead they shouldn't go around provoking fights. "Will I get banned...

onleavedontatme

Perhaps as an improvement, this could be changed to "You are allowed to respond with reasonable equivalent retaliation or intent?" or something along those lines, meaning you can't pull out a weapon and hit someone into crit for it when they punch you once? Seems like it might be an impro...

onleavedontatme

You're overfocusing on a workaround for a single example rather than the principle that you can't just leave entire rooms or objects missing on several maps. It won't always be as simple as "just leave an omnilathe" What if we axed circuits and now we have a bunch of maps with circuitlabs ...

onleavedontatme

The maps don't require perfect maintenance, the crew can fill in any gaps themselves. Using techwebs as an example, if we had removed the ability for science to print every item, but only added the department lathes to Box, do you think people on the other maps would be happy when they couldn't mak...

onleavedontatme

at most for a random non antag murder with no previous history we'd only give a 1 day ban so if you're suggesting that at most we would deadmin them for 1 day? Or just a dayban. When Pax randomly messed up a player in response to a prayer its what I gave him. More admin complaints should result in ...

onleavedontatme

PKPenguin321 wrote:
Kor wrote:And put random maint nonsense where the vault was
why

Because there would be an awkward gap otherwise

onleavedontatme

And put random maint nonsense where the vault was

Give QM vault access

onleavedontatme

because it is encouraging people to kill others to solve their issues But the reason you died is because -You tried to stop a theft from chemistry with violence when you were MD -You stabbed a guy with a scalpel because you didn't like how security had handled something -You attacked a guy with a c...

onleavedontatme

ShadowDimentio wrote:Because it's two different things dumb slime.

You just acknowledged rich people will pay a larger share for public education while often not even utilizing it for their own kids. Their wealth has been redistributed to the people using those services/towards a public good.

onleavedontatme

How can you argue for 2 pages about how people in prison knew the consequences and shouldn't have broken the law by smoking pot and poor conditions in prison didn't bother you because they made their choice and then turn around and say "this is how gulags started" when Grazyn talks about t...

onleavedontatme

If you call it wealth redistribution David talks about fleeing the country and if you call it taxation for the public good he praises the exact same thing

Astounding

onleavedontatme

on one hand yeah science was powerful on the other techwebs combined with department lathes are so horrible and boring it made me completely drop the department completely despite literally 70% of my playtime being in it It's honestly extremely depressing that we've gone this far and STILL the only...

onleavedontatme

Unless someone is yelling at you for something, or you are really after another department's item, you are not inclined to sacrifice your points unlocking something that you will never get or even see. Ideally the tree would be laid out in such a way that all paths/branches are viable, and the rand...

onleavedontatme

The button that chooses the next research should be RD office and bridge only.

Or at least not robotics etc. Everyone else should only be printing.

Circuit imprinters dont need to be different machines than protolathes anymore.

onleavedontatme

but was never addressed

WYCI

onleavedontatme

Needs a better UI Needs a better way to distribute ore to lathes (A centralized machine in cargo that holds all the ore, with the ability to authorize/deauthorize lathes on station, and lathes will draw from bluespace storage if their local storage doesnt have enough for a recipe. Probably a log of ...

onleavedontatme

Weed is an illegal substance (except where it isn't). If you don't wanna get jailed for possession don't possess it in the first place. Maybe so, but the law is the law and you're expected to follow it even if it is dumb. They knew what they were buying was illegal and if they got caught they'd be ...

onleavedontatme

especially when it could have easily been ratified in the round without much fuss

Honestly not even sure it would have required admin intervention to fix. You don't revive people when they get mislynched in mafia. It's just part of the game.

Agree on the rest though.

onleavedontatme

There is a difference between IC mistakes/wrong and OOC mistakes/wrong.

We accept, expect, and mechanically encourage the former.

Suspecting and trying to investigate the wrong person is a core part of hidden enemy games.

onleavedontatme

onleavedontatme

That may be your understanding of notes but most admins only leave notes to record bad behavior, or as warnings in place of a ban, so a note is a de facto punishment if only because of how it will be interpreted by other people. case where a player has accumulated a large number of notes in a short ...

onleavedontatme

"The law is the law" is the most brain dead worthless thing you can add to a conversation about whether a law or punishment is just No shit its the fucking law that is why we are talking about it. Do you think Dankula deserved half a year in prison for his pug video? The law is the law aft...

onleavedontatme

Rather than having a thousand different threads and sprites lost forever to discord channels, and unused sprites and unsprited projects, I've created a repo for adding SS13 sprites that have no code.

https://github.com/tgstation/SS13-sprites

onleavedontatme

This thread has accomplished absolutely nothing just like all the other naming policy threads.

If/when the headmins decide on a new naming policy they are welcome to reopen this.

onleavedontatme

I'm not even trying to argue about whether we should regulate/ban/whatever guns or not (because I know such a debate is pointless*), I just think it is perverse to spread harmful myths about suicide and throw sick people under the bus to try and win a political argument. *The fact that multiple peop...

onleavedontatme

oranges wrote:>kor complains that moodlets get too much in the way of playing the game and make them anxious
>kor complains that traits dont' affect teh game enough and don't see to do anything

what's her angle?

I'm psychotic

Also traits are opt in so I'd like the choices to be meaningful

onleavedontatme

Thanks gamer

onleavedontatme

Jumping off a bridge takes significantly more planning than picking up an object in your home and applying 5lb of force to a trigger. Strangling yourself also takes quite a bit more work and is less likely to succeed. Most suicide attempts are very impulsive and most people who try it don't do it a...

onleavedontatme

The ban is four years old so I'll lift it tonight if nobody else gets around to it by then.

onleavedontatme

Most importantly dropping a black hole into a demon world to kill aliens is cool as hell and should be encouraged.

onleavedontatme

I think the consequences are the point. It's always been the case that a maxcap on a wizard will get you banned if you miss, and the same is true of boh on a bigger scale. If there is a risk of disaster and you still take that risk in an attempt for glory, you live or die by the RNG. If you are goi...

onleavedontatme

We argued about this forever in adminbus forever so there probably wont be much appetite for doing so here but I disagree with the ban and lots of the posts supporting it (such as "xenos were halfway across lavaland") rub me the wrong way because its not information the player had or could...

onleavedontatme

Cool concept and probably workable into something more fun but a huge waste of potential right now. Outside of a few people who take the challenge traits like poor aim or pacifist it mostly seems to be used to cancel out moodlets right now, or to take the negative traits that arent really negative s...

onleavedontatme

Powerful force for good. Incredibly hard working and never afraid to speak truth to power (or anyone else who needs to hear it). Can't overstate how important he has been to the codebase and /tg/ as a whole. I know he trolls sometimes but he's got a strong moral compass and will have peoples backs w...

onleavedontatme

You two are not going to reconcile your views on this situation and the headmins seem uninterested in intervening on your behalf. It's painful watching you guys go in circles and the only thing anyone is accomplishing is making the other mad at this point so I'm going to lock the thread (though of c...

onleavedontatme

I don't think kor even implied that, no one thinks bad mood kills you I am more talking about his reaction. If oranges is telling the truth and he disabled it without headmin approval. That doesnt seem like a reasonable response to me, because it is asking for drama. I did not do this nor has orang...

onleavedontatme

It is on sybil right now though

onleavedontatme

I went to the bar earlier and had drinks because the person I'd been talking to seemed stress you don't need hard mechanics forcing you into interacting with those jobs.

onleavedontatme

Stickymayhem wrote:stop killing imageboards they feel pain

also anime killed imageboards prove me wrong weebs

I disavow stickymayhem and will be eating a burger for lunch

onleavedontatme

ColonicAcid wrote:still dont understand why people want any thread in this absolute shite hole to be kept.

The community is full of redditors who don't appreciate the impermanence of image boards

onleavedontatme

DemonFiren wrote:it's understandable but still morally wrong

wrong, it is valid escalation

onleavedontatme

DemonFiren wrote:lol just my way of life bro back off live and let live

Your way of life is causing direct harm sorry

onleavedontatme

I have made probably dozens of posts about moodlets between this and the feedback thread about various issues I have with the system. And out of those 300 posts from various people you decided my dislike of the UI was the thing you needed to pick a fight about and insult over, and then I'm "lat...

onleavedontatme

It's a fact that some if not most people don't really care about this and calling them sociopathic psychos because they don't feel anything when watching an abattoir or a factory farm won't help. Most people do care and try not to think about it which is why they go ballistic when you bring it up. ...

onleavedontatme

existence_success wrote:is this thread seriously still going?

When Sticky and I combine forces we are unstoppable

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