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here's some answers for your questions Why does the poll that you made hold that it's necessary to remove felinids in order to add etherals? it doesn't need to, but they're replacing catgirls with it since people want etherals because you know they're actually interesting This is subjective. The ma...

oranges wrote:we can only have limited roundstart races

If this is a congestion issue, why is it that felinids (the most popular nonhuman race) would be removed to make room when you could instead remove, for instance, flypeople?

The poll was not biased. If you believe so, please answer the following questions for oranges Why does the poll that you made hold that it's necessary to remove felinids in order to add etherals? Is there some reason why a race needs to be removed in order for etherals to be added? If this is a con...

sock puppet alt I've been playing on TG almost every day for about a month now. There is zero evidence that I'm a sock puppet, but you wish that were the case so you're going to continue saying it. On the other hand there is actual, really non-arguable (you haven't even tried) evidence that you rig...

oranges wrote: ...

Why did you make a biased poll?
Could you answer the OP questions?

Uhh, I guess so.

somerandomguy wrote: A species is made of code
Some people think it is shit
Thus, it must be balanced out

This is not right, sorry. I have done byond script and there is no maintainer burden involved with keeping felinids.

The first law of shitcodedynamics states that shitcode cannot be created or destroyed, only converted to another form and moved to another place. IPCs have some shitcode according to all people and catpeople are code considered all shit by some people, so it is necessary to replace the latter with ...

I don't understand all of the tiptoeing around the issues. A lot of you have taken to answering for oranges, but you're not answering the questions I asked. Could you please answer the following? Why does the poll that you made hold that it's necessary to remove felinids in order to add etherals? Is...

wesoda25 wrote: Your logic is bad because, guess WHAT, giving a monochromatic, yes or no vote, would BIAS votes of people who maybe want cats removed, but on certain grounds.

This has nothing to do with what I posted. You just kind of wrote something off your flow chart and ignored what I said.

wesoda25 wrote:Also felinids the vote stands regardless of its oddity.

The vote is not odd, it's tainted. I've already explained how and why: the "Remove felinids and add <x> enticing new race>" options are voter bribery. The results of the vote are worthless and cannot be accepted.

wesoda25 wrote:...

I appreciate that you admit the poll was biased even though it was biased toward the result you wanted. People should not eagerly accept this type of thing, because it can just as easily point in a direction they dislike next time.

I and the headmins have actually have come up with a solution on the basis that filtering still leaves the etherals in the winning position, we're just waiting for MSO to do the filtering to confirm the result to announce it. Since you cannot announce it now, could you instead answer the questions ...

Got any ideas for felind biased poll options that you think would even out the score? The only poll that can be completely free of external variables is a poll that says "Should felinids remain in the game?" and has the options "Yes" and "No". Apparently there were alr...

Make a decision from this poll instead of making us go through another two weeks of voting because some people disagree with the wording. This is not an issue with the wording of the poll. The problem is that the poll is slanted toward removing felinids because it motivates the voter with the promi...

Could a forum mod please delete every post that mentions move speed? Oranges is attempting to drown out the issue, this is not relevant to the thread. Thanks.

What if they wanted ethereals but didn't give a shit about cats Yes, this is a great example of how the poll is tainted. Voters who are totally ambivalent about felinids are enticed to vote for their removal, if they separately want etherals added. These posters would have abstained from the poll o...

I have no reason to believe the Catperson poll is illegitimate considering the efficacy of the MSO and other support systems behind the poll. MSO does not have the magical ability to discern between people who voted for the etherals option because they wanted etherals (bad) or because they wanted f...

This thread is not about move speed, it's about the legitimacy of the catgirl poll. Please stay on topic.

Steelpoint wrote: Catpeople wise, we just need to wait for the filtering to be finished.

Whether or not catgirls win the vote is irrelevant to this thread. Even if they win the vote, oranges still made a poll that is slanted against them. Why did he do that, and will more of this kind of thing happen?

I am not going to allow you to drag the the level of discussion in the thread down so that it gets locked and you don't have to answer anything. Just stop posting if you're going to keep avoiding the issue. until you stop hiding behind your SPA account why would anyone take you seriously? This isn'...

somerandomguy wrote:...

This behavior shouldn't be accepted. It is super obvious that he's doing this because he doesn't want to answer (because there isn't a good answer.) He isn't just feeling goofy.

I am not going to allow you to drag the the level of discussion in the thread down so that it gets locked and you don't have to answer anything. Just stop posting if you're going to keep avoiding the issue.

Can we stop allowing people responsible for the game to answer like this? I don't think someone who decides for everyone else how the game will work should be making a joke out of every attempt to communicate with him, hold him accountable for wrongful actions, etc. Oranges, you made a poll that has...

someone is mad they lost Why have you consistently avoided the questions put forth by this thread? Whenever someone talks to you about the poll you are happy to answer other questions. When the topic of the "Remove catgirls and add this new race" bribery comes up, you instantly go quiet o...

the extra options were included to provide compromises, specifics, details, and options rather than a binary YES/NO poll. Okay. Makes sense. Because it is an IRV poll, there is no real "adding poll options in an attempt to persuade the voters to vote [some other way]." IRV polls don't rea...

The vote to remove catgirls has concluded, you can see the results here: https://tgstation13.org/tgdb/irvpolltally.php?id=204 The results haven't been filtered yet. So far, replacing catgirls with etherals has won by about 20 votes. Regardless of the ultimate results, here are some questions for the...

"demanding felinids be removed is anti-sex fear mongering even though felinids totally aren't sexual i swear guys" Are you denying that the people against felinids are pearl-clutching outragers who are cranky that some distantly sex-appeal-related thing is in the game? That is exactly wha...

Disregard any moral outrage about "degeneracy" or "slippery slope to us LITERALLY BEING THE FURRY SERVER!" and consider in your mind whether felinids are a positive or negative for the enjoyment of your garden variety SS13 player. And you can't just refer to the split vote, becau...

I'm happy to accommodate nu-age outragers, as long as there's more of them Okay, you posted your gay quote about perfection, here is a very straight quote by Socrates. >"If you were setting out to sea, who would you ideally want deciding who was in charge of the vessel, just anyone, or people ...

You have achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is no thing left to take away. You will surely "achieve perfection" by censoring whatever things nu-age moral outragers throw a recreational tantrum about. By the way I'm not an alt, I was just drawn back t...

If he's overruling votes so he can (get other people to?) do votes with different filters, I wouldn't say he isn't responsible for filtering. Anyway he can definitely affect the result to skew it toward his own desires which is what I'm saying. But this is mostly irrelevant to what I said in that po...

I guess if you're for felinids, it's okay to reply with lowercaps irony.

The community is almost perfectly divided here. It's 50/50. I'm sure oranges is losing sleep trying to find a new filter he can apply to the votes to get whichever result he personally wants at the moment. Instead of arguing that I have the majority by one or two votes, I'm going to talk about the i...