/tg/Station 13

CDranzer

Considering the AI of round 132064 was actually played by TheMidnightRose, a game admin, who had been the AI to order the HOSs pacification. I would consider force pax to be entirely within policy. Especially considering he was killing people with lethals when he really didn't have to. Honestly I t...

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I actually have a working theory that this has nothing at all to do with race, and the n-word is a complete red herring, but I don't think the thread is ready for that truth bomb yet. I said that outright, it's not about the race itself, it's about the people who either think it's ok to be racist o...

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This entire thread has been censorship proponents accusing their opponents of being bad-faith edgy racists. I really don't think you want to take the ad hominem angle. I don't care what your motivations are, I care what you're doing. And what you're doing is treating minorities as lesser than you w...

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Getting the heat necessary to run the turbines at anything approaching the level required to run the station should be dangerous, and require constant management of the heat and inputs of the engine. So is the idea that the engine won't be able to be left alone, and that it'll always require people...

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I don't hang out with retards who determines a person worth by if they adhere to American liberal etiquette. This is an extremely petty note but please don't call left-wing progressives "Liberals", they have far more in common with actual unironic crypto-fascists A liberal used to be some...

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Whoops, missed this one. That's like saying that police arresting thieves implies that the victims couldn't defend themselves. They could, but shouldn't need to, and the thief is the one at fault there. To add to the metaphor, if you let the thief go unpunished he's gonna go around thieving other pe...

CDranzer

This entire thread has been censorship proponents accusing their opponents of being bad-faith edgy racists. I really don't think you want to take the ad hominem angle. I don't care what your motivations are, I care what you're doing. And what you're doing is treating minorities as lesser than you wh...

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Saying a slur would probably get you fired at work. If your friends are decent people, they'd probably call you out for it. More deflection. This policy is not rooted in human decency, it's rooted in prejudice. There's no discussion to be had about the morality of racism - we all know it's not righ...

CDranzer

So, wait, how does this connect with the robotics changes? Reworking Robotics leads to Reworking Mining leads to Reworking Lavaland, surely? Or is this more specifically targeted at "I made ten new megafaunas" typed changes?

CDranzer

oranges wrote:1) ashlizards, yes they are now ten foot tall super lizards who can go toe to toe with a mech

Finally, content Vorestation can get behind
Snark aside, I genuinely like the idea of going full Tony Stark, if that's where this is going (weaponry concerns aside obv.)

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Personally it's not so much to protect specific minorities, it's more that the kind of person that uses slurs casually and dismisses any concern about their effect with 'sticks and stones' tends to lack empathy, which i think is one of the main, fundamental qualities that makes a community good and...

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For what it's worth the only practical uses for economy I've seen are as a trivial rarity gate and for minor roleplaying purposes. The only sadness I'd feel would be from having gotten used to it, and I imagine that would pass quickly. It's probably a miserable system to balance so I imagine from a ...

CDranzer

Curious - any plans for how this will affect the insuls and multitools from the tool vendor?

CDranzer

Or I could just make some pentetic and let the surgeons deal with brute and burn
yeah I think I'll do that instead

CDranzer

Electronics wrote:
Flatulent wrote:If no people are harassed by it, what is the problem?
This here I think is the real argument.

There are people arguing that having the word said near them constitutes harassment

CDranzer

You know, there's something that's been bugging me about this whole debate, and I think I've figured out what it is. None of the people pushing against this give a shit about minorities. It's all about censorship and authoritarianism. But the people pushing for it seem deeply concerned for the wellb...

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The most oppressed people in the world; the gamer . You can easily choose not to spew slurs, meanwhile someone cannot choose to stop being black. So on top of making blind assumptions about the core of my objections in spite of me stating the sources of my beliefs plainly, you've also decided that ...

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we can draw a line and stick to it Even if I believed you could, I certainly don't believe that you will. Why not? Because the kinds of groups who push for censorship do not have a fantastic history of being easily satisfied with initial results. The other SS13 servers who banned slurs seem to be r...

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XDTM wrote:
CDranzer wrote:
XDTM wrote:we can draw a line and stick to it
Even if I believed you could, I certainly don't believe that you will.
Why not?

Because the kinds of groups who push for censorship do not have a fantastic history of being easily satisfied with initial results.

CDranzer

XDTM wrote:we can draw a line and stick to it

Even if I believed you could, I certainly don't believe that you will.

CDranzer

Alright, that's at least an attempt at an argument, let's see what we can do here. 1) Creates a hostile environment for folks who are targeted with such words. We have a fair few trans people who play here and I know for a fact they get sick of people using tr*nnie as a pejorative for things they do...

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I will concede that multiver only requires one cook because you can just cook oil and salt and you end up turning the oil to ash and heating the ash/salt mix in one go It's still the single worst chem in the cobbychem arsenal Say what you want about overpowered goofchem, if your content is so shit t...

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I also question the legitimacy of the claimed intent of these changes. I don't believe there's a long line of minorities clamoring about hurt words, I don't believe the language drives away a significant portion of interested parties, I don't believe the quality of interactions are significantly les...

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I do not like the precedent it would set
I have no reason to believe that language policing would stop with a handful of slurs
I'm not concerned about gamer words, I'm concerned about being banned for admin disrespect 2 years down the line
The slippery slope is real

CDranzer

Just recently, a paramedic player was given a week ban from medbay. Every round, he would go get the hand teleporter from the teleporter room, after asking permission from AI and/or command staff, and would use it to recover bodies that had teleporter beacons in them. Wait, Rats got banned for thei...

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Device as I picture it: Handheld device, same size as any kind of analyzer, comes out of Security Lockers/Protolathes/Vendors Walk up to a person, use scanner on them, and after, say, three seconds of both parties holding still, you get a window showing their entire inventory contents - Clothing, po...

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Cobby wrote:if you don't want to risk losing out on "good" organs consider that in your decision tree.

Just what are you trying to say about Kat Green

Also can prosthetics of the non-borg variety be printed? I know there's a box of them but I'm never sure if they can be made manually

CDranzer

The closest thing science has to a "job" is upgrading borgs and pulling off a good toxin bomb, the latter being trivial if you know what you're doing, and the former being trivial even if you don't.
Everything else is Fuckabout territory.

CDranzer

Wasn't there that one station that was literally partially built into an asteroid? Maybe all stations need to be like that, just embed them in resource rich asteroids and massively rework the mining game

CDranzer

So do we know where we are going or is it just going to be a blanket ban on offstation stuff on the hopes that somehow we'll get good content
Like I don't even disagree but this seems kind of aimless

CDranzer

Imagine being so disconnected from the game that you unironically think that chemistry should be in science I've said it before and I'll say it again: Chemicals should be moved into tiers, with tier 1 being the base elements, tier 2 being "component" chems made from mixing base elements, ...

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I've thought about this before, but my biggest concern is repairs. Let's say an explosion punches a hole in the station. Does it blow a hole in the ceiling? How do you repair that hole? Do you have to climb onto the roof to patch it? Is there some weird interface for building a ceiling from the floo...

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Everybody's dancing around the bigger issue: What, exactly, should a round of SS13 look like? What's the progression? How should it start and end? What does "the shuttle being called too early" even mean? Too early for what? Is a panicked escape a bad thing? Is a reset button a bad thing? ...

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Meta == Delta > Box == Kilo > Pubby > The Derelict > A Mining Shelter Pod in the Void > The Asteroid Escape Shuttle > Donut

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haha just a prank bro

CDranzer

All Meme Toy Departments belong in science and they always have
Not just Genetics, but also Chemistry and Virology and frankly Botany as well
This is the future, anybody who denies it is a coward

CDranzer

Decent enough ideas, but I'm curious as to what your use cases are

CDranzer

oranges wrote:if everyone gets greentext, the value of greentext is devalued

Correct, but insubstantial.

CDranzer

Every single job on the station should have some kind of random semi-trivial job-specific greentext they can aim for like obtaining some basic item from their workplace or completing some task specific to their job Maybe a handful of different objectives with the more difficult ones requiring cross-...

CDranzer

I have heavily weighted towards unbalanced in negative terms because otherwise people will add combat focused stuff and complain when they get nerfed. Have you considered a zero-sum system wherein essentially every perk is zero points but is a part of a direct isolated tradeoff? Also since when do ...

CDranzer

i hate cobby chems cuz they take too many steps to make so instead i just make chlorine trifluoride and label it "burn patch" and stock the fridge See there's your problem, a 40u trifluoride patch will only do like 60 burn damage, and it'll do it really fast, so they'll immediately be abl...

CDranzer

Once everything gets ported to unitystation/SS14 this problem will solve itself anyway

CDranzer

oranges wrote:nobody cares, it's the same spaghetti mess of shit it was in 2016

Perhaps the same could be said of all codebases

CDranzer

I must admit it's nice to be able to play through an entire round without some astronomical fuckass running around lopping off everybody's heads.

CDranzer

So I took a break six months ago just before cobbychem hit and I came back like a week ago just after cloning got yeeted, and since then I've spent an entire Three Days playing medbay roles on Manuel. Naturally, this makes me far more qualified to start a discussion about the general state of Medbay...

CDranzer

What if you replaced stasis beds with stasis scanners - visually like sleepers but with stasis and without chem injections and maybe with an advanced scanner built in? That way you can't operate on them while they're stasised but you can still put them on ice. Maybe make surgery tables cut decay in ...

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Wait, I thought morgue boxes preserved corpses?

CDranzer

I heard somebody suggest they should make Don't Starve style instrument noises

CDranzer

I just want more MRP and I don't particularly care how I get it

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Super Aggro Crag wrote:Just have CPTants ckey start missing a leg and bleeding out and suffering brain damage at roundstart so we have something to do.

They'd just wait for them to die then throw them in the cloner

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