/tg/Station 13

Cik

>these localized melee-only deathchems carried by extremely vulnerable easily-hard-countered cyborgs are too powerful >please bring back trivial-to-make throwable ranged AOE instant death gear-destroying polyacid carried by people who are often nigh-invincible due to combinations of stun-reducing/da...

Cik

peacekeepers were a "compromise" IE "we'll throw you a bone that doesn't really do anything to make fun of you" it's a totally pointless module. the engiborg is actually better at preventing harm and fulfilling your law 1 imperative. at least you can wall people away from each ot...

Cik

why would you actually play peacekeeper though

it's suffering

Cik

you should ahelp it slig because that's actually against the rules

like literally 100% totally without greyscale against the rules

Cik

bandit wrote:http://pastebin.com/dAaxZTEF

is it a sign of mental damage that i read all of that

Cik

this is in no way against the word or spirit of the rules the only case it would be is if the antagonist has not been proven to be harmful; in that case, you cannot assume they are going to kill people (as per sillicon policy) but yeah if they've ever hurt anyone feel free to self-terminate. it is f...

Cik

there are tons of antags that can ggnore you in very short amount of time considering that your average AI is going to have like one mediborg and as soon as it's discovered it's going to be AI v. whole crew (including several traitors that can ggnore it in 10 seconds or less) this is literally zero ...

Cik

don't be alone
know if the borgs are rogue
you're fine

what is problem

mediborg is the only dangerous borg when subverted git gud

Cik

nothing in the mediborg's kit kills you that fast

you're exaggerating

by the way the deadliest chem is probably the heart attack drug and just epi yourself and lolnodamage

Cik

you're barking up the wrong tree anyway slig if a sillicon isn't following policy just ahelp it changing law 1 to prevent sillicons from following the policy they are literally required to follow doesn't follow; if you want to change policy i'm all for it considering it's over-restrictive now that s...

Cik

but when AIs actually ignore law two it's because sillicon policy literally requires them to in most cases

Cik

in regards to the upload / armory, the laws don't mean anything anyway. if you want to change silicon policy (which does matter) i'm all for considering your argument. but wiping out the inaction clause has already been tried, was a total disaster that everyone hated and won't even solve the problem...

Cik

yes please god buff AI by making the tesla not instantly kill me every round thank you based mso

Cik

Zilenan91 wrote:Noticed that I changed my lizard scale color 10/10

>zilenan "sillicons are uncounterable" 91'

>plays lizards

now it all makes sense

Cik

you shouldn't really be able to tell what's in a glass or beaker by sight either

also there shouldn't be fixed chems in sleepers, there should be buffers with a chem ID that's then replicated, so you can poison people.

Cik

meteor is dumb because there's nothing to do it creates no conflict because there's no actual chance of survival engineering has no ability to turn the tide at all, there's no incentive to fortify anything, the only thing that does anything are the force fields and they can't really be manufactured ...

Cik

the only reason any of this is even true is because engineering fucking sucks and is no fun at all

there's no engineers, or if they are they aren't even IN engineering for more than 2 fucking minutes because there's NOTHING TO DO

FIX ENGINEERING FIX THE ENGINE REEEEE

Cik

oranges wrote:silicons will never be good in combat again. Know your place as a glorified toolbox

thanks for that well-reasoned defense of your position

:^)

Cik

i'm not sure it was the admins i guess, just the zeitgeist shifted before the great nerfening, sillicons were able and expected to hold the shitcurity in check (being the most powerful force on the station next to security itself) and to go to bat for the downtrodden masses against them if they deci...

Cik

it should move towards sources of D/C power

REEEE FUCK OFF EDISON

Cik

The knowingly aiding antags clause or something? I forget how that one goes? You need IC reasons for doing so (which I assume laws would aid but not cover completely)? to a sillicon, antags don't exist. humans exist. and you must always protect them. that means that if a lizard sec officer attacks ...

Cik

vindicare bundle when
sniper rifle with one shot
chameleon cloak
penetrator round
cool armor

FUND

IT

Cik

yes those engineers fixing hull breaches what a plague that is

engineers don't fix hull breaches because it's a pain in the ass, there's no point and space isn't really that dangerous anyway

not because they can't stack metal tbh

Cik

i feel like we are not far off from the day when spamscripts begin to reliably pass turing tests

Cik

No you're wrong silicons dunked me as traitor so now I want then gone from the game and all the players banned for breaking silicon policy I just made up yus pls remove ultimate canca Seriously though I've only heard of this fabled opposing security to save antags regaled to me by a scant few from ...

Cik

it seems cool

to be honest i always liked most of your game modes, and i'll probably like this one too
good luck with it

Cik

herein i complain about the current state of sillicons, especially focus on the slew of changes before the secborg removal intended to counter secborgs that remain completely in place as of this day that absolutely fuck over without any recourse any sillicon ever, and also to use as a copypaste when...

Cik

in high doses make it a truth serum

"you feel an irresistible urge to tell the truth!"

nothing can cause more chaos than honest spacemen.

Cik

they ask you to do things you do them BRAUPOGNPOWUINPQOUINRPFOGUIENPOINP$O:NIFGP:EN AI YOU ARE TOO GOOD AT HELPING ME DO THINGS WHY DIDN'T YOU LOOK AFTER MY SAFETY they ask you to do things you refuse SPGUIONPUIOWGUIONPEHNPWINPOINPWNPGENPWRINP AI ROGUE STORM THE CORE BLOW THE BORGS unwinnable scenar...

Cik

there are a dozen changeling abilities and a dozen non changeling tools that would have gotten him out of that fucking room you moron, i listed them all and there are more besides. being murderboned by a fucking changeling is not that fun, and you removed the only fucking thing in the game that was ...

Cik

yes changeling just doesn't understand the fucking rules, which as pretty typical for these sorts of complaints AI did nothing wrong who cares if the problem was that the AI let him inside there is no problem if the problem was that the AI is too powerful that isn't fucking true because the HOP had ...

Cik

also he's the HOP so he has a FUCKING DOOR REMOTE

HE CAN JUST UNBOLT THE DOORS

HE COULD HAVE LEFT AT ANY TIME REEEEEEEE

Cik

or you know he could have dragged the body outside the camera range smashed the camera in one hit EMPed the room disguised as someone else monkeyed to ventcrawl took you hostage to force the AI to open the doors pulsed the bolt wire deconned the walls got another chang e ling to help killed the AI l...

Cik

plasma input required for most medical machines when btw

nerf sleepers and make engineering useful wowee

Cik

i really wish that actual uses for weapons beyond kill people was a thing tbh

unfortunately robust combat means that stopping to attempt communication ends in your death 99% of the time so nobody tries

that and no fear of death

Cik

that's how omnimechs work at least

but you know, i wouldn't know because i'm not dezgra filth like you two

it's probably the same, though.

you can load them in before you start, FYI by going to configure on the infantry and then load in or whatever. or at least, you should be able to.

Cik

agree. engineering as a department + associated mechanics needs work

for an atmos simulator this game makes it 2trivial imo

Cik

even after all the atmos changes fire is still impossible to fight there is nothing in the arsenal of the station that can actually prevent plasma from burning once lit, so even bothering is a waste of time the real problem i think is that the only thing that can burn is plasma, which is airborne by...

Cik

those damn borgs following sillicon policy what a horror

Cik

plasma isn't deadly enough, probably because it's visible. the hardcounter is present in everyone's packs. as a tool to spread fire it's alright i guess, but i think it's too easy to release and doesn't do enough actual damage. it feels like fire, superpressure/depressurization don't do enough damag...

Cik

beyond all the memes i don't think it's a bad idea, though i'd have to see it in play to make up my mind one way or the other.

Cik

HATE WHEEL

Cik

meteor is really dumb because the damage is entirely random, unpreventable, inevitable and impossible to do anything about. you could end the round in the first 10 seconds by just dropping 1000000 meteors into the station in the first few seconds and the effect would be the same. there's no drama be...

Cik

>tfw you can buy enough EMP to literally black out the whole fucking station for 2tc >including an implant that is a fullscreen anti-borg stun/mute/deafen that lasts 15 seconds and drains their battery and damages them >there is no cooldown to this implant which means you can spamclick to literally ...

Cik

borgs are uncounterable fam

Cik

if you don't want to get the harmbaton don't be a criminal

Cik

> It's "I've been antimoved, but I didn't notice it for half an hour, because antimov and asimov look the same if you don't actually read into them" round ah jesus, this has happened to me like twice. i was a borg and i was undoing my AI's plasmaflood. unfortunately he was a bad AI, and i...

Cik

security's validhunting is a rational response to the willingness and ability of antags to fucking kill everyone with no admin-side repercussions it's unfair to hobble security while giving the antags a blank check to senselessly murder. validhunting in a lowkey traitor round is a little scummy, but...

Cik

only reason this is even a problem is secborg removal tbh i don't really care about flashes, honestly if you changed it so it was batons/prods it would be just as bad. they can still say "borg stand still law 2" then come up and kill you. as long as you have an ambush advantage borg is lit...

Cik

best way to deal with tanks is artillery, air strikes, long range missile / cluster attacks (LB-X works) or fire. lots of fire. mission killing them is often enough; get them early and they'll never be able to move into range and thus are worthless. unless it's a gauss alacorn, then you should resor...

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