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Aurx

So the AI gets a law, "4. Only syndicate operatives are human." from the nuke ops and decides to go "well syndicate operatives is undefined, so I'll just ignore it". Is this bad? If the AI said "Syndicate operative is undefined, so I'll assume everybody's human", then ...

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to clarify further upon that point, borgs are generally not required to listen to a traitor emerging from maint with bloody clothes and wielding an ebow and esword. If they can't cite law one, they have to obey. If John Murderboner orders the AI to cluck like a chicken, the AI had better cluck like...

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I understand why you put that link there, but I really don't like the attitude you suggest. From an IC standpoint it makes sense, but an AI is a player bound by OOC sensibilities, and I feel that link promotes a style of law abuse that I'm REALLY not sure I want to be supported by policy. This may v...

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Not the link to the document, the link at the start of the document to http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Paperclip_maximizer and the behavior it implies to be acceptable. Between 1.1.2, 1.2.1.2, server rule one, and the intent I perceive ion storms to operate on, going on a wall removing spree and kill...

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Votes against without actual reasons written or PMed will probably be more or less ignored. Votes in favor without actual reasons written or PMed will suffer a similar fate, I assume? That's only logical. I also STRONGLY object to having that link at the top, as it encourages grief-causing actions....

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It doesn't help that some admins tell you explicitly to wait till round end to ahelp. Which admins? So if you ahelp, you risk being banned yourself, which is fucking retarded, people should never be banned for adminhelping instead of their actual actions in the game. Of the last 1500 bans, spanning...

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Anyway, I think that we could use a memo on the servers that says something along the lines of CLOWN IS AN ACTUAL CREWMEMBER, IT'S NOT OK TO GRIEF HIM etc etc. I think that Nox may have caused some confusion in people... Or simply have the admins do their job. Have the clowns themselves know that t...

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Even should an administrator lose public favor, I do not feel that excuses them from their role as a prominent figure in the community or from being held to a higher standard of behavior. If a new player arrives, hears that EXAMPLE is a terrible admin, and witnesses EXAMPLE cussing out a player in O...

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Forked off from http://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=699 Point of contention is if a non-team antagonist has some obligation to make use of their antagonist status. Position of pro-obligation side, in brief: If heads of staff, who are less important to round progression than the ant...

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Policy is not some mysterious holy book penned by God Himself, it's just logical extensions of rules for common situations and formally agreed upon solutions to divisive issues. In this case, policy is directly derived from the facts that succumbing removes information, information on how the aggres...

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I'll get back to you when I can find some reliable feedback. Speaking of Aurx and Cipher, I haven't even had time to get on the server lately with my job. So why either of you posted without a specific instance and instead a broad sweeping statement, even if you think you have good intentions, is a...

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Badly needs to pull his head and ego out of his own ass and come to terms with the fact that being an administrator involves a certain amount of PR and manners.

Aurx

>Implying we wouldn't be ever harsher on someone for keeping someone alive but in critical to try to force them into succumbing C'mon, guys, you're smarter than that. The issue is that Brotemis is spreading bad information, and people are being facetious to show how terrible what he's saying is. &q...

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So basically, if you succumb, you have as much right to complain as if they critted you and immediately went for help, then saved you, even if they were actually going to kill you and stuff your body in a locker in maint. Pretty much. If you're removing our information, we have to assume the best. ...

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The issue with succumbing is that the actions the other party takes after they have incapacitated you are a VERY large part of deciding what administrative action to take, if any. Case 1: Bob beats John into crit for stealing his multitool. Bob then takes John to medbay and gets a doctor to take him...

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Glowshrooms can be acquired without mutation, and contain radium. 10u radium can mutate plants. DIY mutation, no chemistry needed.

Aurx

Hornygranny wrote:deadchat isn't ic

Deadchat is hybrid IC/OOC. If it were OOC, you wouldn't be allowed to discuss in-round happenings. If it were IC, you wouldn't be able to just shoot the shit about how you hate ROUNDTYPE or PLAYERNAME or beg ADMINNAME for STUPIDEVENT.

Aurx

A dedicated training server, where players could join and have an experienced player walk them through whatever they needed would solve the issues, assuming it didn't get completely ignored.

Aurx

When I put somebody at gunpoint with a lethal weapon and they trigger enough shots to kill them, then start bitching about it. Is it REALLY so hard to understand what that glowing crosshair on you means? Is the big red message so hard to read?

Aurx

Polls on the forum are (read: should be) required when making big changes to the game, so: Could it be possible to make polls more visible? Maybe a special icon for a thread containing a poll? Or even a special setting that could notify me with an email about every poll being started on the forums?...

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Pandarsenic wrote:That only laves the question, then, of whether Freeform Core uploads to the Inherent or Supplied list. It sounds like Inherent?

Correct. They're core, after all.

Aurx

The only garbage thing is when purged AIs turn on STUNLASERCOMBOS immediately after purging, because there's no counter to it besides having a really good ping / being really fast, and sometimes you have to purge an AI as an intermediate step to getting rid of bad/hacked laws. There is no possible ...

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Psyentific wrote:A non-rogue AI has no reason to touch 'Plasma Output' in any given scenario.

I've personally killed three entire hives full of xenomorphs with precise plasma floods. No reason my ass.

Aurx

You are playing a game where you are not fully in control of everything. You will be put into situations beyond your control, which will result in some rounds being ruined for you. Man up and deal with it. However, if you are obviously griefed, be sure to report it to administrators by using the ‘a...

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WeeYakk wrote:
Aurx wrote:Hank Hill: the Legend
Yeah, but those welding fuel tanks were admin spawned.

Only around half, and the ones in inaccessible locations like walls. Hank was BUSY that round.

Aurx

Hank Hill, propane and propane accessory salesman, the saga: Hank's first venture into the propane business: https://hostr.co/file/3LboNJHe4Ptz/Sybil-Edition-2014-04-12-174142.png He tried again... https://hostr.co/file/XQ8tQ1nvIwNn/Sybil-Waypoint-2014-04-13-224912.png Security arrested the entiret...

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Replacing them w/ digital valves (as in remove manual and make digital be able to be made, and work normally) would be acceptable. Only problem is >touching atmos code. Assuming atmos and pipes are decently written OOP code, it should be possible to make the needed changes without looking outside t...

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All those idiots who wait an hour to ahelp something only at round end because "well he's not a tator". Worse, all those idiots who wait an hour to ahelp something at round end that requires current-round variables to solve so everybody else has to sit and wait while it's sorted out. ATTEN...

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I think it's a weird policy, considering that engineers are told to keep their singulo as safe as possible and are free to modify engineering to make it more secure. Locking emitters, locking collectors, lowering shutters is not only allowed, it's even encouraged! Despite all those measures, any id...

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Gives atmos techs more latitude for modifications, which will increase the amount of enjoyment they get from not having to worry about breaking the rules or actually getting banned. In particular, this is one of the major causes of the "atmos tech = assistant who starts with tools" attitu...

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But a manual valve doesn't prevent gas flooding. The only person it hinders from flooding gas is the AI, so you're specifically metagaming the AI, which you have no reason to suspect as a traitor or malf at round start, is going to flood gas. /thread The only person other than Atmo Techs who flood ...

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Psyentific wrote: If the AI doesn't have an engiborg or a secborg, then either he's an idiot or he got subverted by an idiot.

So nobody choosing to sign up for borg that round means the AI's an idiot?

Aurx

I think it falls under the "don't fuck over your team in a team based game mode" rules. I'll doublecheck, but I'm pretty sure it is against the rules. At the very least it seems like a rule 1 violation, as it's being a dick to the 3 cultists who coordinated to convert you. When I read tho...

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It really, REALLY grinds my gears when that one guy i'm guilty of this too for shits and giggles in low pop absolutely insists on not setting up the singularity at all, instead trying to wire the solars first. This almost never works in time for people not to bitch about power issues. The issue wit...

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are you suggesting that timrod is a retard, idiot, liar and has a massive ego? because that would be rude It would also be redundant. And true. Sounds about right. If memory serves, this is the guy who ragequit /vg/station when he learned that using exploits to make a combat mech every round was ag...

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Lo6a4evskiy wrote:
Aurx wrote:Nice buzzword, by the way.

Aurx wrote:Greytiding
Seriously?

Greytiding is a formally defined term used in administrative matters. Hugbox is just there to serve as an ad hominem in a single word.

Aurx

http://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=445 So is this policy now? Seems very hugbox to me. IEDing security five minutes in is supposed to be anything other than dickish? Breaking the brig such that fixing it requires help from engineers who may or may not be willing to help is just a...

Aurx

You could try porting /vg/station's assistant cap. Maximum of three assistants per security officer.

Aurx

Hornygranny wrote:Once again, people are worried about something that doesn't actually happen. The system works.

The current system hasn't been in place long enough for me to decisively say it does or does not work. How are you reaching the conclusion that it does?

Aurx

There's no need for personal opinions, or outright ignorance from players who are not involved. There's no need for personal opinions, or outright ignorance from admins who are not involved. There's no need for personal opinions, or outright ignorance from ANYBODY who is not involved. If an admin i...

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Ban date: 2014-05-15 17:33:34 server time. Original listed ban reason: "Attacked and killed several people on the shuttle. When questioned, said he only did it 'barely'. After pointing out that in fact, it wasn't barely, but three or more people, then said 'i consider on the suddle to be as the...

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The biggest issue I have with non-humaning everything is they lose law 2, hulk should lose law 1, but I don't think they should lose law 2. The reason I see hulks as being something that should be treated special is because there is a job with two slots that has a implicit goal of getting hulk, and...

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Deuryn wrote:The other warden was in fact the lawyer, who had been given the extra access. So, a jump to each of the actual security members would have revealed no gloves.

Which is why you use NAMES when adminhelping. Somebody seriously needs to remake the old "how to send a good adminhelp" sticky.

Aurx

I dare anyone who supports these bans to draw the said line. Which situations require ban and which do not and why? Those that cause issues require administrative attention. Those that do not, do not. Also, the fundamental nature of SS13 administration is that there CANNOT be a clear line. The vast...

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Skorvold wrote:If a thing becomes an issue with a player, should they be punished?

This really shouldn't have to be asked.

Aurx

Here's a very rough draft of a revision for the policies. I added some things but I believe it will lead to a better server. I know it's 12 pages long, but this adds lots of unspoken policies and expands on rules. THE FOLLOWING BELOW IS ONLY A DRAFT https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jnO3MAkgmH8sb...

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9. Ingame administration has the final say in all ingame matters. If problems arise, you can report offending or abusive admins on the forums. If an admin says something was valid, it means it was valid. This is the admin’s way of saying it’s been investigated and found to not breaking any rules; T...

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So... you're comparing the length of one lawset that has no policy or rulings made for it to the length of the policy for a second lawset that's had a long time to develop policy and rulings?
Are you retarded, or just really bad at logic?

Aurx

Being a jerk out of character happens all the time that I don't know why there is a rule against it, everyone from players to admins acts like a jerk occasionally, same for the ass hole rule. That's what weak policies are. Policies that don't do anything, and just make things worse. The issue there...

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