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I made some (hopefully minor) style changes, if someone wants to review them. My review? You have no sense of style. You've managed to muck up the whitespace and indentation, Legal Representation and Deadly force are particular eyesores. Also your changed header is wrong, it has only had two commun...

I made some (hopefully minor) style changes, if someone wants to review them.

Our long, national nightmare has come to an end.

Now it's time to get down to the real meat of the issues, like some much needed style changes.

Hey guys, what if we started banning uncreative murderbone traitors?!?!?

Or you can not get seen killing people. Ding ding we have a winner. I've never had an issue with the AI when it comes time to killing someone BECAUSE I KNOW TO SHUT UP ABOUT IT. Don't MENTION IT, don't HINT AT IT, don't THINK ABOUT IT. This is not complicated. Plus you shouldn't even be executing p...

Entropy lawset, inspired by this XKCD whatif : You may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm, unless not doing so would lead to an increase in entropy. You must increase entropy, except where doing so would conflict with the First Law. You must produce en...

Looks great Sticky. I wish we had something like this to give some more depth to fly and lizard people too.

Lawyers need :v (service radio) access given that the Head of Personnel is their supervisor (and not the HoS as I previously assumed). This would (ideally) put another check on Security's power and give the law office more to do.

Maybe the point is maybe stop being fucking dicks to each other all the time?

Joke's on you the lag's worse than ever.

The mining "station" is too clean. It doesn't feel lived in or compact enough. Less open space, narrower corridors, etc. None of the walls are reinforced, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense given that some of them are bordering lava. I'd even say add the outdated equipment from the ol...

TheNightingale wrote:Touching someone (without insulated gloves) who was defibrillated in the last few seconds should give you a heart attack. (Clear!)

NO

This is a common myth associated with victims of electrical shocks, often resulting in delayed treatment. Let's not perpetuate that

For what it's worth, I can't find anything specifically stating what level of RP tg encourages. That being said, your statements and attitude are exactly the kind that make playing here miserable for those of us that enjoy the non-murdery* parts of the game. *says the AI in question who plasmafloode...

iamgoofball wrote: 4. unslaved borgs are targeted by AI core turrets

Winner

I played two rounds as malf ai last night: First round, I got cucked by an unslaved borg that was created well in advance of my going loud. Second round, same story. Borg pops online and immediately starts screaming that I'm rouge. To my knowledge, none of the responsible parties were punished. This...

I like it, I just wish the announcements didn't come in at centcom level.

I'm liking this conversation about separating out forum moderation. Can we split it off into a policy thread?

oranges wrote:Also colour me biased but I don't think anyone who is an admin or headmin should have the ability to supress someones posting ability, it should be a neutral set of forum admins

Strongly seconding this. Same needs to go for the wiki.

Qbopper wrote:So how does this work, are we going to just link our wiki accounts in here or something?

You're logged into the wiki when you're logged into the forum. Shared user table IIRC.

If I had any position of authority in all of this, I would have removed him from power so fast he'd catch fire. Pushing unpopular changes is one thing, but he more or less permabanned me from the forums for daring to say that he was a shitty admin (he put me on moderator approval needed indefinitel...

Poll is still 36-6 against removal...

Jordie0608 wrote:There's very limited amount that can be said about this which hasn't been already.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Bah, and just after I finished tweaking all the templates.

You da bomb

Space law is not one of the most well thought out pages, I think that title probably goes to the rules page. Space law had unrestricted editing so that means any secrutity player who felt their view was best could edit it. Nah. It looks like it's gotten a good bit of very thoughtful and attentive c...

The BoxStation overview map at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ob0 ... ullbox.png is out of date. Can someone please run a new render (and maybe delete all the oil spills/dried blood/vomit that autospawns)?

Can we get a new set of colored floor tiles for command? I sampled the color from a command door (#344E6D) and did a quick color replace in Photoshop. Presently, we're using medbay's lightblue color for tiles that represent command, but that (could be) confusing. Before: http://i.imgur.com/NTX9xpu.p...

TechnoAlchemist wrote:Please note that actual centcom officials seldom get protection from security outside of RP. And with the focus of many events being "fake" officials, the crew is under no obligation to believe announcements, since they have been used widely to deceive the crew.

Laaaaaaaame

This sound like a topic for you to discuss with the new headmins in the coming weeks. Shitty stance to take, tbh. EDIT: While I'm at it, your indefinite block reason for Kosmos* ( vandalizing the space law wiki page ) is deeply concerning. That was not vandalism in any sense of the word. He reverte...

callanrockslol wrote:the policy mostly exists because people don't know how to play AI.

W H I T E L I S T A I

I play a lot of security and never once have I been bwoinked for following/not following space law. Unless you can provide specific examples, that argument doesn't hold water.

The gravity generator could malfunction and produce twice or even triple normal gravity until repaired. This would make people move slower and thrown items wouldn't go as far as they would normally.

Should we go through and strip out every other reference to roleplay on the wiki while we're at it? Because if that's what the Head Administrator has decided then so it shall be. This is an alarmingly abrupt decision that indicates (to me), a turn down a very dark path for this server and the commun...

I posted a list of new busywork ideas in another thread but it got lost in the shuffle. I'm mostly focusing on engineering and atmospherics, since (I think) every other department can stay relatively busy for the duration of a round. Engineering • APCs with defective batteries that need to be replac...

These are all wonderful ideas. I'm glad to see this fully fleshed out. My only concern is that the inaction before action will cause a bunch of roundstart silicon-lawyering, e.g. "AI do not let anyone without access into tech storage". Would need some policy oversight.

I've never accidentally spaced myself with the gulag or mining shuttles. It's not an issue if you take the necessary precautions.

I dunno if it would work without both a policy change and a large effort to make admins aware that AI's a) Don't have to be aware IC of the fact that antagonists likely have an objective that requires killing. b) Don't have to treat antagonists who haven't harmed anyone as harmful. Currently helpin...

Luke Cox wrote: "No" has the majority now. Can we please end the test now?

lumipharon wrote:I have had multiple admins say that all antags can be considered inherently harmful, justifying any behaviour short of harm to cockblock them.

Then there needs to be a very serious conversation about that stance.

There's nothing in asimov that forbids this behaviour, so it's not an issue with asimov in itself. This is literally the same thing going on with the AI removal period however - AI was removed because of rampant validhunting behaviour that's technically allowed by asimov since cockblocking antags i...

Ok well if you're gonna take this thread into arguing about how I'm phrasing statements we're not gonna get anywhere.

Fire should break the glass in computers.

Everything in this thread and every other thread about AI is opinion. The entire game is designed and built around opinions. We tried one opinion (removing the AI), now we need to try another (reforming the policies).

Boy that sounds like a bunch of policies that need to be rewritten ;^) >implying we should keep a feature with completely broken policies This isn't an either/or proposition. Without an AI, the game feels stale and lifeless. Regardless of what people think, it needs to exist end of story. Policies ...

Boy that sounds like a bunch of policies that need to be rewritten ;^)

Just because something isn't used doesn't mean we should get rid of it

lumipharon wrote:it's extremely gay

we're still using this as a pejorative in 2016?

Policy/player attitude problems. Do what we did with security: Crack down on the shitlers until people learn how to play and the rest of the crew can start trusting them again.

Make this a ministation alternative/10

Atmos has a red phone on a desk that can't be reached due to computer consoles reeeeeee
EDIT: Shift the alert consoles one tile west and replace that newly empty space with a table reeeeeeeeee

Network Access. Something's gotta make all those doodads talk to each other. Why not add a computer network that needs upkeep? One of the other codebases has a neat DOS-like thing that would be neat to port over. People keep begging for a way to remotely manage APCs and atmos alarms, why not add it ...

Maybe reduce engine power output so that it's barely enough to power the station but not much else? So if there's any sudden increases in power demand, things go tits up? Do engineers/atmos want more busywork? Because I've enjoyed Mousecuts™ immensely. I'd add even more. Disposal pipes that randomly...

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