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why would you behead somebody if you thought they were a changeling?

see you in the schoolyard after class energy

we all thought this was a shitty thing to do and respect the banning administrators call on this denial.

while I am not opposed to this, this iteration of space law is meant to be an IC shield, and I am concerned that adding this line will lead to lawyers understandably ahelping instances of not being allowed to talk to a prisoner and result in a lengthy justification from both parties involved. https...

I think that prisoners should absolutely be entitled to legal representation, though not automatically a trial. Sometimes its nice to have a lawyer on-side even if its just to commiserate and complain about how totally unfair sec are. I would change the lines Prisoners are permitted to seek legal r...

you shouldn't be allowed to murder an entire department of people unprompted. if you try to justify doing it because security will eventually come after you, you could also justify killing all of medbay because they might revive your victims. and then murdering science because they might build mech...

Nonviolent prisoners cannot be assumed harmful and violent prisoners cannot be assumed non-harmful. Releasing a harmful criminal is a harmful act. has been changed to Nonviolent prisoners cannot be assumed harmful. Violent prisoners cannot be subsequently assumed non-harmful. Knowingly or in ignora...

let's talk about biological functions

if someone is being bwoinked about something they did and refuse to cooperate or answer any questions, they can have the worst assumed about them. if someone is being bwoinked about something that somebody else did and is refusing to give context, that is a social situation for the admin to need to...

I feel that lawyers are getting the REALLY short end of the stick here, for being the ones that should care the most about space laws they get little to no protections in it. Like, they're supposed to be the ones who actually enforce the details of space law, but this rewrite gives them no gateways...

Aiding and Abetting is listed as a Felony, limited to 10 minute sentences. Having played quite a bit of LRP Sec (both Sybil and Terry), random crew just deciding to interfere with an arrest is possibly the single worst thing about playing security. It's to the point where it's hard to even justify ...

I'm very torn on this, space law has needed a re-write for a long time. But I'm not entirely sure if this is it; the question I ask myself is if a seccie decided to stick to this space law word for word in an average lrp round gameplay loop would it be fun? Let's say an assistant is walking around ...

Sligneris is right. I am really opposed to roleplay, and I do believe it is gay/cringy/autistic. /tg/ has always been the laissez-faire server where you won't be banned for not following the boring objectives as a traitor/ling, and you don't need to 'ahelp to make sure it's ok!' constantly before y...

got my votes to lift this one on the basis posted above, at this point it was basically just lowered to an expiring note, sorry for the wait.

I'm not going to lie this seems really, really complicated and I feel like it'll catch a lot of new security players (and hell maybe some more experienced ones) out because I feel like you'd have to have it printed out next to your computer to fully understand what you have to do in a specific situ...

i wonder if a clause in the use of lethal force section, there should be a line about "heads of departments are able to use lethal force without hesitation from disruptive intruders into their workplaces near the beginning of workshifts, before "X" amount of time after the shift begun...

and the law won hey yeah you got the reference great job, keep reading you bozo. there's a modernized/revised version of space law i've been workshopping with several people this week. a lot of interpretations are changing, and some highlighted changes are; * less math, more time spent efficiently b...

i thought that was pretty detailed

no Do not facilitate player deaths for poor IC reasoning. Distributing bombs or other similarly destructive items can leave you responsible for how they are used if not cleared with an admin first. Each unjustified kill is normally met with a 24-hour ban. Intentionally seeking to demean others due t...

i'm putting old yeller here down, catch the sequel next term.

here's my review: cool thread, 3.5 stars

it's cool, but I don't think it's good for the game.

if someone is being bwoinked about something they did and refuse to cooperate or answer any questions, they can have the worst assumed about them. if someone is being bwoinked about something that somebody else did and is refusing to give context, that is a social situation for the admin to need to ...

I dont disagree with the rule, what I do disagree with is this situation and how you're interpereting the rule. In my opinion, regardless of the rule that was broken, if nobody was ultimately affected its not worth any action beyond asking the player not to do it again. Regardless of all that, its ...

hey there, i tried to explain in the ticket as well, but nobody gets a free pass on metacomming due to 'keeping to themselves', and there's a precedent in the rulings that were added at some point to address this specific scenario. Metacomms, the use of methods of communication outside of SS13 IC ch...

i'd be down for moving them back to restricted, i've seen a lot more play done in bad faith from changelings since it's been lifted than allowance for more interesting situations to play out.

hey there, sorry for the late response. we're not interested in overturning necromanceranne's decision on this ban at this time.
cheshify - uphold
tbm - uphold
fikou - n/a

BonChoi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 10:05 pm FR though me being lumped in with those two is funny because we disagree on so much, only thing we have in common is that we probably spend WAY too much time in the Player's Club.

and for this, you will be destroyed

oranges wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 8:47 pm you guys ever notice how every sec peanut has keith4, bonchoi and prussen show up to argue the same case.

sinful would show up but he was banned.

big think

i think it would be better if paradox clones didn't always explicitly have antagonistic objectives and could reasonably just be "this guy, but dropped in from another universe by mistake". This is something that'd be cool to see happen, but we cannot enforce/help through policy unfortunat...

i like it.

i'll lift this, but still say that if your sense of humor is identical to trying to start drama/rub somebodies nose in something they may be sensitive about, it might be worth second-guessing your tone when you present it.

https://i.imgur.com/KmeOpS5.png were the associated messages. you've been timed out a multitude of times from the discord for shit-stirring behavior, and this situation read no differently. if you don't plan on shit-stirring over this, i'll lift it, but otherwise it looked like you were just trying...

faking a revolution, or malf ai, or a cult can, and usually does result in players being griefed by security in attempts to quell the supposed threat to the station. anybody trying to do it probably knows that, and shouldn't be facilitating it as a non antagonist.

regal rat follows its flavor text and should not be used to systematically try to eradicate all life aboard the station.

this isn't enforceable without code changes and a lot of admin oversight. it was simpler back when cloning was present and you officially had a new 'body' with a fresh set of memories, but defining where that line is where we're currently at is just something i can't imagine happening in a way that ...

if you overdo anything that can cause issues you can be told to knock it off. there is no quantifying when 'too much is too much' with a hard line. if you end up being told to cut something out, that is your line. you can present your argument that you're not overdoing it during the ticket itself.

chesh indicated they're not in favor from their post, and i'd rather not let them be unrestricted either. i think that's a wrap for this one.

i'd rather have a bumbling head of staff than the 2000 hour player verbally assaulting people for misplacing a wire. i don't think i'm personally interested in changing the role hour requirements right now.

you shouldn't be allowed to murder an entire department of people unprompted. if you try to justify doing it because security will eventually come after you, you could also justify killing all of medbay because they might revive your victims. and then murdering science because they might build mechs...

i think it would be better if paradox clones didn't always explicitly have antagonistic objectives and could reasonably just be "this guy, but dropped in from another universe by mistake".

the role is easy to gain if someone wants it, and the potential downsides of having it become just another unfocused shitpost center where the topics stray aren't worth it.

i don't see an issue with re-enabling this. and if there is, it can always be reverted.

Nabski wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 1:37 pm You think that by attaching something positive to it for the player it would encourage bad faith appeals trying to get that thing?

yes

here's some cleanups i just did. Roundstart suicide Don't do it as an important role, and if it happens too often, you can be banned. May 04, 2015 KorPhaeron baked into rule 1 and 5 rewrites. Lynching for erotica on comms Lynching for reading smut and spamming, especially on comms, is always okay. I...

but the reason we had to take this to the forums was a disagreement about the "Note the use of the phrase "for no legitimate reason". Did you or did you not attempt to find out if he had a legitimate reason to be there?" bit which is ooc. sure i see him asking more in that direc...

can you further clarify though? im grateful but im also curious about where the line lies for any future occurrences of this nature when being questioned about something of this nature by an admin, they're asking what your in-round reasoning to do what you did was. 'valid' is an ooc concept as a wh...

no but he says something about "nevermind" afterwards i think he might have just broke in instead since he got impatient this is where using your words to assess the situation (IC reasoning) before opening up with lasers would have afforded you more leeway in your actions. if you think yo...

no but he says something about "nevermind" afterwards i think he might have just broke in instead since he got impatient this is where using your words to assess the situation (IC reasoning) before opening up with lasers would have afforded you more leeway in your actions. if you think yo...

didnt he break in though? can you actually look into that before making assumptions based on those logs above, it looks like he asked the AI to let him in, and then hung out with the bridge assistant. apologies for the use of the word 'kill', but for the intent of debating if presence in the bridge...

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