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Gigapuddi420

I feel like we have this topic at least once a headmin term. To put it simply; general incompetence isn't and shouldn't be against the rules. We already have experience requirements and it's possible to change those if we feel players are getting to head of staff positions too quickly. You'll still ...

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capn_monkeypaw wrote:[chart]

dabbing on those haters.

Gigapuddi420

Just to help you fill in your appeal properly, the ban reason is:

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Asked to be converted to the cult as a non antagonist. This is considered self antagging; don't do it again.

Mortosasye was the banning admin.

Gigapuddi420

I mean, I'm glad this isn't a complaint and is more of a long, dumb shitpost in general chat. I think we even have a thread specifically for these >greentext rage stories. Sometimes I feel like I've locked down who is the biggest shitposter on the forums only for half a dozen people to puke up their...

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It hasn't even been a month since the original appeal was rejected.

Gigapuddi420

Should anyone need the round ID to search logs for this one, it seems to have occurred on round-118000. Timonk is right, Brick Carr is NOT Krusvik. As for the complaint itself I'm not really sure what you're looking for. You've stated in different parts of your long post that you aren't complaining ...

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but you twisted that into killing every non human on board or for punching someone, it's indeed not hard to understand your strawman scenarios. I brought up extreme examples of bad faith from a silicon player to show that we require silicons use some better judgement in how they act when human harm...

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A lot of situations can justify using lethal force to prevent harm. What we require is proper reasoning and ideally some good faith from the silicon player. Killing someone with flash resistance who clearly doesn't intend to stop causing harm is usually fine Which funnily enough means Gigapuddi wou...

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So? There are plenty of ways to do anything. Silicon adhere to their laws, there is nothing wrong with killing IF it furthers said laws. This isn't a particularly hard concept to grasp; Asimov's laws potentially allow you to take a large range of actions to protect the lives of humans. This can inc...

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CPTANT wrote:Human harm isn't a whim, its literally law 1.

Law 1 doesn't compel you to kill. It requires you act to prevent harm. There are plenty of ways to do so without killing.

Gigapuddi420

Keep in mind when playing silicon that you have to consider both your laws and the server rules. Just because there is nothing preventing a Asimov silicon from killing non-human crew doesn't mean it's okay to do so on a whim. This is why purged silicons are still expected to follow a relaxed escalat...

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The role ban reason is the same as the server ban. As for policy on using bombs to kill antagonists: Headmin Rulings page. Weapons of Mass Destruction to counter antagonists: An example of this is suicide bombing a wizard or BoH bombing the cult base. If use of the weapon does not win the round for ...

Gigapuddi420

In the above scenario, you will be banned if you do anything about the sec swarming into your workplace because the arrest is "warranted". If by 'do anything' you mean if you kill all of them then yes it's certainly possible it might end up that way. It largely depends on how the situatio...

Gigapuddi420

So what is reasonable escalation against security falsely arresting you? For example a couple days ago an officer falsely called me a cultist and tried to baton me. What is reasonable self defense? When does it become acceptable to kill an officer trying to take you down? I'd suggest non-lethal res...

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A very active admin that puts in plenty of time during hours we typically don't have much coverage. I think some unfairly judge them based on the high frequency of appeals but they rarely take into account the sheer amount of tickets the admin handles when basically solo during lesser covered hours....

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in relation to that I absolutely hate this ban because in essence this player hasn't done anything that has affected anybody else. For fear of continuing the peanut posts with everyone else. It feels important to point out that the ban isn't just for quickly switching account after a ban was lifted...

Gigapuddi420

Is having 2 accounts against the rules now? Yes, It is. We typically ask people to stick to one account, typically the one with a record on the server. While it's possible to change main account for various reasons (like a old account and forgetting the password) it isn't unusual for us to perma th...

Gigapuddi420

Whenever I go to play/admin on Terry during peak hours, I see TheChosenEvilOne as the active admin. The guy is eager and helpful and will talk with others in asay to check his reasoning if he's not sure. My only concern is that you don't burn yourself out, it's fine to take breaks even if it would r...

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Ahelping before you off yourself isn't a hard ask. Any admin can decide to make exceptions when it comes to holding heads of staff accountable for playing the role but it's just good practice to try and get command positions replaced; especially now that dynamic is coming along to mix it up. Honestl...

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I can't say I'm interested in giving security even more freedom to cremate people who steal the hand teleporter. As is security already have rules exceptions made for them and players already dislike those, smart security officers seem to avoid the problems around this by not jumping to the first op...

Gigapuddi420

For those reasons, notes can be appealed if they match one of the following two cases: 1. The note is factually or materially incorrect. There must be a difference between how an admin who knew all the facts would view you vs how an admin who only had the note to go on would view you. If you were b...

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Well to be honest the syndicate is hardly passive, but what matters is that they aren't allowed to reciprocate hostile actions taken against them, regardless of what was stolen. That is sort of the point I'd like to try to emphasize. I mean, if they run off back to the station with some of your stu...

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I feel like you're treating "self-defense with stun weapons against a sec officer" as way too severe a crime here. It isn't like I just ran up to you and started firing disabler bolts at you or the like; you escalated to stun combat first, and I followed suit (both times). By security pol...

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Want to keep this trash heap on-topic about policy or is this basically just another peanut post thread now shitting up Policy Discussion. Someone calling you canuck offhandedly is fucking nothing. If you made it pretty clear you are deeply offended by the term and someone went out of their way to k...

Gigapuddi420

Yes, it applies to all groups of people. The key here isn't the slur being said to someone in a vulnerable group; rather it's about finding a vulnerability and then going at it in a pretty personal way that goes beyond mere 'banter'. This isn't even a hard concept to grasp.

Gigapuddi420

No, not really. Alphonzo made it pretty clear in the the appeal that the issue wasn't the use of slurs themselves but rather harassing someone for being trans. You can disagree with the amount of harassment required for a admin to intervene but the point was never that a slur was used, rather the di...

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Here I was thinking this was a simple thread, but ohw boy I triggered the anti catpeople crowd without this even being about them in the first place. They triggered themselves, business as usual. Not really much to discuss here, dark blessing is just a null rod option, there is no reason it would d...

Gigapuddi420

Nah. As much as I dislike it, Mime speaking is a choice from the mime. You can't force a mime to talk to make them valid. Clown shoes are something you could push the clown over for and remove from them. Aside from how easy it is to steal their shoes it is also bad for cosplaying clowns who want mor...

Gigapuddi420

Lately I've been admin alongside PeopleAreStrange and I appreciate the care and effort they put into the role while in high pressure environments like the Event Hall. Easy to work along side and considerate to boot. Their experience have proven helpful for getting back into the swing of things with ...

Gigapuddi420

Lore does matter in a role playing game thoug. My job description actually says that "They are peaceful unless disturbed" and my flavor text also say "Yeah go do whatever.". By that principle I could have killed everything that walked on lavaland because of my flavor text No, yo...

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this is a complaint how an admin doesnt take his job seriosly, doesnt read, not knowing lore in RP game ect Lore literally doens't matter though. The policy on lavaland roles is that you follow your flavor text and your flavor text states golems are peaceful and neutral to the station. Roleplaying ...

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I'm not here to rule on your complaint , just offering what I witnessed as a player in that round. The first thing that came to mind while you were shouting over the radio is that you wanted to shelter and work with the enemies of the station including people who's very end goal is summon Nar'sei an...

Gigapuddi420

I mean I just looked it up above from parsed logs on scrubby. You were even saying that cultists could make a base with you. Not sure how to take that as anything but allying yourself with antags.

Gigapuddi420

I was playing in this round as security and I remember you shouting over the general radio how you'll accept all enemies of Nanotransen and when one guy inevitably gets annoyed you're looking to ally with antagonists and makes threats you seemed to start talking about how this is war. I don't know h...

Gigapuddi420

Typically these threads just get locked until the round ends. That said: Precedents & exceptions: Examples and exceptions to the main rules. - Rule 1 Precedents. 2. Spamming any channel is not allowed, this goes for radio spam, AI vox announcement spam, paper at camera spam and other forms of sp...

Gigapuddi420

Space Law is a RP guideline for security to consider when sentencing, it has no basis in OOC server rules. We have server rules for how players should act and a section for security to better define what security can and cannot do. Additionally, the flavor-text for ghost roles is enforced by policy....

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Yeah, just use citations for minor shit you don't want to deal with for long like vandalism. Pricing is down to how security feels but a guideline might help them establish some kind of average base rate. Citations should just be a extra option for a pro-active officers on handling petty crimes; if ...

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I've let it slide so long as it's feasibly just people in the round sarcastically repeating the words someone else said. If it refers to OOC concepts and I see it I'm going to at least message the guy and warn them. It's pretty contextual to what's happening in the round and what is being said. It's...

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Most of that interaction is listed in Security Policy and Precedents , you can throw in a bit of the security escalation exceptions too if you like. So roughly speaking to 'qualify' for execution regarding security you need to have become valid to security. Typically this means acting like an antago...

Gigapuddi420

That's as written but not how it's as enforced. You'll get banned for permaremoval even if they're the instigator. Personally I think this is dumb since the rules literally permit this but *shrug* Yeah, it's a known inconsistency with rules as written verses how it's enforced. The best explanation ...

Gigapuddi420

Ok all the points worth mentioning have been mentioned now the thread is going to devolve into the same arguments but worse. Proof being the 80 other escalation threads that went nowhere. Just lock it now losers I don't know, might be better to let it play out so people can get it off their chests ...

Gigapuddi420

From a admin intervention perspective I usually leave shuttle calls to the players in game to resolve. The Heads of Staff (or the guy with their ID) are accountable to the crew and if they truly go against the will of the majority there are in game avenues that can be taken usually leading to some i...

Gigapuddi420

not really seeing a whole lot of policy discussion going on in this one to be honest, just a lot of complaining about a single ban. should admins ban stuff that nobody takes issue with, assuming the affected individuals are aware of who/why it was done? It's already common for admins to deal with is...

Gigapuddi420

Screemonster wrote:imagine holding the opinion that teamkilling is okay if you decide your teammate isn't powergaming hard enough

fuck off

Gigapuddi420

You guys should probably keep this thread on policy issues instead of just using it as a peanut post gallery for a ban appeal. Releasing a virus that functions only to grief the crew is kind of shitty and could come under rule 1 if the virus was shitty enough. I have to agree with PK-Penguin though,...

Gigapuddi420

It's a automatic note applied not by a admin but by a bot that responds to a particular exploit or at least something that looks like it. I imagine headmins will have to be the ones to pick this up.

Gigapuddi420

I feel like comms agents should be able to get people killed still, but WGW is the wrong way to go. If that keeps happening it's likely headmins might decide that comms agents shouldn't be allowed to get people killed in the near future. I would have preferred to be some kind of gentleman's agreeme...

Gigapuddi420

The link I posted is of the Headmin (at the time the policy was made) ruling the policy I quoted. The rest of the thread linked is just the discussion around it. Our rules page has a link to a list of previous headmin rulings where I quoted the ruling you were likely banned under. https://tgstation1...

Gigapuddi420

Weapons of Mass Destruction (like max caps and detonating bags of holding) have been covered in policy and are listed in the Headmin Rulings page of the rules wiki. Weapons of Mass Destruction to counter antagonists - An example of this is suicide bombing a wizard or BoH bombing the cult base. If us...

Gigapuddi420

I have to agree with wesoda on this one. If you don't mess about deciding to put criminals into the gulag properly, they can work off their sentence pretty quickly assuming they are prepared to do the work and not just piss their pants and break the machines. It also provided security a nice way to ...

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