PR#10818 PIXEL PROJECTILES (Goofball)

[Steelpoint]

A PR by goofball that majorly changes how projectile's works in game, I feel it would be a good idea to present this to the forums and see what people's reactions/thoughts are on this proposed system.

AtlasStation/AtlasStation#50
this is a port

the code works

it's prolly shit tho

no webm from us because my recording software crapped out

here's a webm from them
http://puu.sh/hFXpX/294fe4345d.webm
IGNORE THE SHITTY WALLS, THAT'S THEIR SHIT

18:44 Joan explain
18:44 sawu its pixel projectiles joan
18:45 sawu they use pixel tracing instead of bump/cross for hitting and they move per-pixel not per-tile
18:45 sawu so yes you can shoot past someone, yes you can shoot through a door etc

no i don't know the license on the sounds i don't know where they're from i don't want to know

ported Atlas's projectile icons because ours looked like absolute horseshit when coupled with pixel projectiles, they look better now, if you give me any "iconic" crap i'll shove that iconic crap back where it came from


ignore any dupes you see in there i accidentally forgot to remove a few, they're removed in this copy tho

if you dislike these new icons, feel free to resprite them yourself

Link to PR: https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/10818

[Steelpoint]

I took the liberty of making a webm showing how this works in game.

http://webm.host/1392a/vid.webm

[Amelius]

The sound is TERRIBLE (edit: on the first video).

On a serious note, the more important things are to check are things like: can you still shoot around corners, or do you have to fully expose yourself like a twat, so using cover in maintenance no longer means jack shit? I feel like this also makes guns much easier to dodge. Figure out the major differences, gameplay-wise.

It also looks off to have non-cardinal munitions when people can only move in cardinal direction.

[Steelpoint]

The sound is TERRIBLE.

What sound is terrible?

[WJohnston]

Keep in mind that the sound in the video is like that because they have some sort of echo with EVERY sound on their codebase. I don't think we'll have that but I could be wrong.

[darkpaladin109]

I like the look of the projectiles, but can't really say anything else, since I'm not as well versed in combat as other people. The sounds also seem fine to me, at least.

[Falamazeer]

Me and you goofball, best friends, just happened, congratulations.

I'd have to try it myself in game, but from the look of steels video, this makes my sec boner ROCK HARD!!!
I didn't see the Ecrossbow or any fluke ops weapons, am I right in assuming those are getting a change too?

[MisterPerson]

Please keep in mind that this is a visual effect only. Bullets are still going to work exactly as they always have (roughly).

[Saegrimr]

Please keep in mind that this is a visual effect only. Bullets are still going to work exactly as they always have (roughly).

That's even worse. Now we don't even have a visual representation of what is actually being hit.
For example this is what we'll be seeing?

(Thanks some random singulo dude for the image)

[Takeguru]

Well, it'll make it more annoying to dodge shots, which I'm not sure if I'm a fan of.

[Steelpoint]

Here's a example of how corner shooting works for both the current system and the new proposed system.

Old System
http://webm.host/55158/vid.webm

New System
http://webm.host/20851/vid.webm

TL;DW: Corner shooting is not really practical to do under the new system, however you can now fire out of a 1x1 corridor with a good range of motion whereas prior if you stood in a 1x1 corridor you could only shoot straight.

[Amnestik]

For example this is what we'll be seeing?

Nope. Clicking the girl on the end hit the one two in. But clicking above the girl on the end's head a bit got her instead.

[Amelius]

Here's a example of how corner shooting works for both the current system and the new proposed system.

Old System
http://webm.host/55158/vid.webm

New System
http://webm.host/20851/vid.webm

TL;DW: Corner shooting is not really practical to do under the new system, however you can now fire out of a 1x1 corridor with a good range of motion whereas prior if you stood in a 1x1 corridor you could only shoot straight.

Not fond of the new system for this reason alone. Yes, you can shoot angularly through doors, but that's really really useless, when no one is going to be next to a door frame for long, since you can't corner-shoot.

Corner shooting does add quite a bit of depth, generally speaking, in maintenance fights especially. It grants the defense (typically an antag defending v.s. a security guard) an advantage.

[Septavius]

either than looking cool, does it really radically change anything else?

[Takeguru]

It enables corner shooting, makes it more finnicky to dodge.

[MisterPerson]

It enables corner shooting, makes it more finnicky to dodge.

Dodging is gonna be the same. The only 'real' change is the path the bullet takes will be more in tune with logic. Which is where changes to corners and obstacles in general come in. And of course a visual transitions but those are visual only. There's no actual changes as a result of them.

[Steelpoint]

There is a big change as a result of this.

Corner shooting is now impossible to do, as I demonstrated in the above webm's I posted.

[callanrockslol]

I'm really conflicted on it, it looks cool but I don't like the idea of shooting people I don't want to shoot, also the taser electrodes not moving smoothly isn't too good remove taser delay.


Plus its a port, so its going to break everything for a while.