detective has telebaton why

Atticat · Post by **Atticat** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:45 am #136157

why does Mr.loosecannon have a department head weapon?

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:47 am #136158

Because he can get a stun baton from sec round start anyways.

Atticat · Post by **Atticat** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:48 am #136159

telebaton > stunbaton though

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:49 am #136160

Nope. Since if they're smoking cigarettes or have any kind of stun resist they can just walk out of it. You also can't kill people as easily via chainstunning since you have to have perfect micro.

Atticat · Post by **Atticat** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:51 am #136161

That's debatable. Telebatons have infinite charge. That counts for something

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:51 am #136162

Not if the infinite charges mean functionally nothing if someone smoking cigarettes can just walk out of it.

Amelius · Post by **Amelius** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:52 am #136163

You forgot to mention that it's literally impossible to keep two people down with it, since the cooldown is on the baton, rather than on the person.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:53 am #136164

I wouldn't mind if the telebaton was buffed tbh, it's kinda shit.

Bluespace · Post by **Bluespace** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:12 am #136167

Zilenan91 wrote:I wouldn't mind if the telebaton was buffed tbh, it's kinda shit.

I need to put everything you say in a quotebook because holy shit you are hilarious.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:12 am #136168

In comparison to a stun baton, why would I ever take a telebaton.

Post by **lumipharon** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:20 am #136169

in case you uh... get emp'd like, 10 times in a row? I uuno.

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:34 am #136170

Zilenan91 wrote:In comparison to a stun baton, why would I ever take a telebaton.

Telebatons can fit in pockets

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:35 am #136171

Same reason why dets don't have tasers or even cuffs until I gave him a pair.

Because it's a thematic thing. Think less "police detective" and more "noir private investigator"

The detective has always been more about style than function.

He probably only got a telebaton to replace his flash for the go-to stun weapon.

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:37 am #136172

I feel like this was spawned from someone getting dunked by a detective with a telebaton

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:41 am #136173

Don't fuck with detectives, we dont give a shit about anything but solving the case

Atticat · Post by **Atticat** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:43 am #136175

Ikarrus wrote:Same reason why dets don't have tasers or even cuffs until I gave him a pair.

Because it's a thematic thing. Think less "police detective" and more "noir private investigator"

The detective has always been more about style than function.

He probably only got a telebaton to replace his flash for the go-to stun weapon.

That's pretty cool; I agree overall. I think detective having his own custom stun weapon would be the most ideal outcome, because it's current kinda weird that he randomly has this item only heads have. It could be similar to how his revolver is unique. Maybe he could have a whip? I don't know what is something a detective would normally use in close combat?

ShadowDimentio · Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:45 am

A telebaton.

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:53 am #136179

A gun

Atticat · Post by **Atticat** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:59 am #136181

allow detective to butt with gun? that'd be pretty cool

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:59 am #136182

I wouldn't mind giving the detective dedicated lethal ammo. Every other server does it afaik and they have no problems.

Super Aggro Crag · Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:13 am

Atticat wrote:
Ikarrus wrote:Same reason why dets don't have tasers or even cuffs until I gave him a pair.

Because it's a thematic thing. Think less "police detective" and more "noir private investigator"

The detective has always been more about style than function.

He probably only got a telebaton to replace his flash for the go-to stun weapon.
That's pretty cool; I agree overall. I think detective having his own custom stun weapon would be the most ideal outcome, because it's current kinda weird that he randomly has this item only heads have. It could be similar to how his revolver is unique. Maybe he could have a whip? I don't know what is something a detective would normally use in close combat?

brass knuckles

Incomptinence · Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:59 am

He has the baton so he can shoot you less and not kill your whining dumb dumb dumb arse.

Post by **lumipharon** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:50 am #136214

Ikarrus wrote:Same reason why dets don't have tasers or even cuffs until I gave him a pair.

Because it's a thematic thing. Think less "police detective" and more "noir private investigator"

The detective has always been more about style than function.

He probably only got a telebaton to replace his flash for the go-to stun weapon.

While I agree with this, the det revolver is far from 'style over function'.
It's unquestionably the most powerful weapon on station, barring perhaps xray lasers, if you have xray to go with it.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:16 am #136216

The Detective's Revolver is so powerful not due to intention but due to the game changing to a degree that while other weapons were overtly or subtly nerfed the Det's Revolver remained mostly untouched and thus is now one of the most powerful station based weapons.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:42 am #136220

Make the dets revolver lethal only Y/Y?

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:47 am #136222

Detective's revolver is great if you have supplies to back it up and cuffs and all that, but if you go around emptying entire cylinders into people to kill them, you're gonna run out of ammo very fast.

DrPillzRedux · Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:58 am

No one has corrected ikk on how the detectives office always starts with a pair of cuffs.

Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:07 am

DrPillzRedux wrote:No one has corrected ikk on how the detectives office always starts with a pair of cuffs.

yeah he knows, he's the one that made him start with them

Ikarrus wrote:Same reason why dets don't have tasers or even cuffs until I gave him a pair.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:36 am #136235

Zilenan91 wrote:Make the dets revolver lethal only Y/Y?

Now we're getting somewhere.

Incomptinence · Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:51 am

Make the det's revolver tatorclass. Make the telebaton a chainsword that deals esord damage. Replace cuffs with pocket gibber. Replace det scanner with RPG.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:56 am #136238

But no seriously if the dets revolver was basically a steelpistol that would be amazing. The wood stock one really fits the aesthetic.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:27 pm #136257

As a detective your job is to direct the red tide at individuals whose dna/fingerprints you found at the scene of a crime. You shouldn't go around stunning and arresting people unless there are no officers.

Cheimon · Post by **Cheimon** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:31 pm #136258

Detective's revolver power is very situational. It is only good if your target is affected by stamina damage and stuns. If they're not, it's weaker than almost any other ballistic in terms of damage (beanbag is slightly weaker or on par, I'm pretty sure).

It's a very good gun for what it does, but saying it's unquestionably the best? Eh...like all weapons, its advantages are situational. It's also got the disadvantage of being lethal enough to annoy the AI, but not lethal enough to kill someone in one clip.

As to why the detective has a telebaton? Because when I've shot someone 6 times in the face, it's nice to be able to run up and kill them without wasting more bullets. Yes, in a perfect world I could just tell security and have them beat the victim criminal to a pulp, but the reality is that security are often overworked, ignore you, leave you alone, are absent, get dunked, or you yourself just plain get attacked by one and need to defend yourself.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:41 pm #136261

The Detective's Revolver is not a powerful weapon because its very lethal or something akin, its powerful because its the most reliable firearm on the station at round start.

The Revolver will reliably hit any target fired on and stun them, from lowly Assistants to Traitors wielding energy swords or Nuclear Operatives using Energy Shields, barring a horrible set of rng rolls a few bullets will bring any opponent to their knees. Couple that with a reliable way to reload the weapon in the field and you have a recipe for the best weapon on station.

True, the weapon lacks some of the versatility the HoS Egun has, or the straight damaging power of a Laser weapon, but I would trade my HoS Egun for the Detective's Revolver if offered it. (I rarely do take the revolver as even if there's no Detective I just leave it after nabbing the scanner).

Super Aggro Crag · Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:19 pm

telebaton is objectively shit anyway

EndgamerAzari · Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:39 pm

Detective should have a blackjack or a sap, or as Crag said, brass knuckles. Much more hard-boiled.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:14 pm #136284

Brass Knuckles please. When i am detective solosec on basil i usually punish moderate crimes by beating the shit out of criminals and disposaling them anyways

Post by **lumipharon** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:00 pm #136297

>15 damage
>3 sec stun
>50 stam damage

It's 90 damage per mag, and even 1 shot will slow anyone to a crawl - after the stun wears off. 2 shots forces a longer stun because of stam.
It works against e-swords and shields, ignres ablaitive, can't be emp'd, canbe instantly reloaded.

It really, really is the best gun. It's other guns that are situationally better (laser vs xenos, ion vs borgs etc).
The detective's revolver is the most reliable, and generally useful an powerful gun on station.

Atticat · Post by **Atticat** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:57 pm #136310

shut this thread down

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:48 pm #136319

EndgamerAzari wrote:Detective should have a blackjack or a sap, or as Crag said, brass knuckles. Much more hard-boiled.

I dunno, I think the telebaton fits the longcoat theme, Watchdogs style

Helios · Post by **Helios** » Thu Nov 26, 2015 5:17 pm #136484

EndgamerAzari wrote:Detective should have a blackjack or a sap, or as Crag said, brass knuckles. Much more hard-boiled.

Yes.
Blackjack please.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:24 am #136568

You all realise that the telebatons were a shite weapon given to heads to make their underlings respect ther authoritare because SoS wouldn't let them have proper side arms and to replace their nerfed flashes, right?
So its not a head weapons, its just something they have.

Anyway, replace it with brass knuckles or a sap

They nicknamed them Beavertails.

Atticat · Post by **Atticat** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 3:05 am #136578

I argue they are indeed head weapons regardless of shite status. They were given specifically to heads for a specific goal of enforcing authority over underlings, as you said yourself.

Cheimon · Post by **Cheimon** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 3:15 am #136580

They're not runefangs or something, it makes total sense for a detective to have a collapsible baton. They're used by real world police and security forces for defence all the time, they're small, they're practical, and they fit the theme.

I mean go ahead, code saps or brass knuckles (although those are a bit weirder, because really how are they being disarmed and if they can't be then that just seems like powercreep) but let's not pretend the ideas of already quite forceful detectives and telebatons are somehow exclusive.

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:49 am #136585

Cheimon wrote:They're not runefangs or something, it makes total sense for a detective to have a collapsible baton. They're used by real world police and security horses for defence all the time, they're small, they're practical, and they fit the theme.

I mean go ahead, code saps or brass knuckles (although those are a bit weirder, because really how are they being disarmed and if they can't be then that just seems like powercreep) but let's not pretend the ideas of already quite forceful detectives and telebatons are somehow exclusive.

runefangs for heads of staff when

Post by **lumipharon** » Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:19 am #136593

Remember when we had the idea of replacing/supplimenting head stamps with signet rings? That would also let you wear them and punch people to stamp your sign into their face?
This really should have been made.

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:55 pm #137212

Give Detectives Deagles when?