Tesla Engine vs Singulo

Mon May 02, 2016 10:32 pm

Recent experiences as engineer have shown me that practically the only people that set up singularity over tesla are traitors.

I believe this is mainly because the tesla cannot escape the containment field nearly as easily and is much much much less dangerous (tesla incoming? Just hide in a locker, problem solved.) Sabotaging the tesla cannot be done by just upping the PA or whatever, you pretty much have to break into the field area and manually sabotage the field equipment, and all you accomplish by doing that is something that's not even as devastating as the singulo.

What I believe we should do to rectify this (I'm not saying we should do all of these at once, but that each option could be considered):

- Make the tesla engine way way way more dangerous. No more locker cheesing it, make zapped electronics have a high chance of straight up minibomb-tier exploding instead of just shutting off and breaking, make crazy shit happen like shocked corpses gibbing and shooting out lightning that zaps other nearby humans. The risk of freeing it should correspond with the risk it provides to the crew.

- Make the tesla much easier to break out. It should be able to break out if the PA is set to 2 for too long, make it so that you have to manually move the PA back during setup or the tesla will shock it through the containment field and force it to 2. Maybe make it so grounding rods have a chance to get temporarily overloaded and be ignored by the tesla so it can shock the emitters if the tesla gets too much power from the PA. Stuff like that.

- Make the tesla much harder to set up when compared to the singulo. Right now it's "wrench a couple extra thingies." Maybe make the grounding rods and such not be in the optimal position at roundstart and have them in secure storage or something. Maybe make the rods also require manually wiring them to the grid. It's well known that engineers will forgo safety for convenience (as seen with solars), so this could be more effective than you'd expect.

Right now the singulo has basically no merit over the tesla, and it's a real fucking shame. The singulo is so much cooler to watch than the tesla. More suggestions and thoughts are welcome.

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Mon May 02, 2016 11:41 pm #173181

I always set up the singularity as CE and set up tesla up as second engine if i want to

ShadowDimentio · Mon May 02, 2016 11:42 pm

>MUCH LESS DANGEROUS
>MUCH LESS DANGEROUS

Tue May 03, 2016 12:08 am

ShadowDimentio wrote:>MUCH LESS DANGEROUS
>MEME LESS DANGEROUS

>hear a zap from 40 screens away
>climb into one of the 40 gorillion lockers (or just walk away)
>"guys tesla is so unfair and dangerous"

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Tue May 03, 2016 12:16 am #173200

Make the tesla balls orbitting the tesla itself have to leave the tesla if not containted

Lumbermancer · Tue May 03, 2016 12:22 am

I always set up singulo. You know why? Because it 's more fun when it gets loose. One of my fondest memories of ss13 are those of survival in post-singularity station. The tense atmosphere, the scrambling for oxigen tanks and other supplies. When your friend gets sucked in by it, and you try to pull him back but it's no use so you give up and try to get away from it's pull yourself. When you have to make a leap through space from bar hallway to escape wing wearing only internals. I could go on and on.

Tesla is soulless.

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Tue May 03, 2016 12:23 am #173205

Make tesla balls leave the tesla and go on their own path of havoc

Tue May 03, 2016 1:03 am

Lumbermancer wrote:I always set up singulo. You know why? Because it 's more fun when it gets loose. One of my fondest memories of ss13 are those of survival in post-singularity station. The tense atmosphere, the scrambling for oxigen tanks and other supplies. When your friend gets sucked in by it, and you try to pull him back but it's no use so you give up and try to get away from it's pull yourself. When you have to make a leap through space from bar hallway to escape wing wearing only internals. I could go on and on.

Tesla is soulless.

i try to do this too, but a vast majority of players do not. it seriously sucks. loose tesla is boring as shit.

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Tue May 03, 2016 5:35 am #173268

Make singulo great again

Post by **Armhulen** » Tue May 03, 2016 4:24 pm #173387

Anonmare wrote:Make tesla great again

FTFY

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Tue May 03, 2016 4:29 pm #173389

I have been complaining about this pretty much since the tesla was added. The fact that the Tesla does not require you to spend a shitload of time filling canisters for the collectors, is much harder to accidentally release and causes far less destruction when it gets released means that it is objectively safer and better than the singulo with no drawbacks. This is not a good thing.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Tue May 03, 2016 11:51 pm #173545

I'm not sad about filling the collectors because that's just shitty busywork, but yeah the Tesla should be able to release itself. Maybe put mice in the engineering airlock doors near where the wires are and raise the power requirements on the field gens so if two of the emitters go down they won't get enough power into them to keep going.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Tue May 03, 2016 11:59 pm #173552

PKPenguin321 wrote:- Make the tesla engine way way way more dangerous. No more locker cheesing it, make zapped electronics have a high chance of straight up minibomb-tier exploding instead of just shutting off and breaking, make crazy shit happen like shocked corpses gibbing and shooting out lightning that zaps other nearby humans. The risk of freeing it should correspond with the risk it provides to the crew.

I dunno the more I think about it, electronics detonating all over the place sounds fucking amazing. Maybe like a 1,3,6 at least.

Post by **oranges** » Wed May 04, 2016 4:22 am #173659

just proves the point that we should have removed the singularity a while ago.

Leave it to the realm of the BoH

Incomptinence · Wed May 04, 2016 4:58 am

I would like the station scum to keep either engine in their pants long enough for me to have some quality lavaland time.

ShadowDimentio · Wed May 04, 2016 5:04 am

Tesla is substantially more dangerous than the singu. The singu can fuck off into space and not kill everyone. The tesla meanwhile will teleport on top of you from two screens away and zap you to death in nanoseconds. A few days ago the tesla escaped and literally decimated escape which was full of people, like five people got away on the shuttle.

Also it's less fun to see a bunch of corpses than a MASSIVE VOID IN THE STATION

Remove tesla 206

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Wed May 04, 2016 5:25 am #173672

The problem with Tesla is that there are literally no downsides compared to singularity

Wed May 04, 2016 5:47 am

Luke Cox wrote:The problem with Tesla is that there are literally no downsides compared to singularity

Thanks for restating the OP

ShadowDimentio wrote:Tesla is substantially more dangerous than the singu. The singu can fuck off into space and not kill everyone. The tesla meanwhile will teleport on top of you from two screens away and zap you to death in nanoseconds. A few days ago the tesla escaped and literally decimated escape which was full of people, like five people got away on the shuttle.

Also it's less fun to see a bunch of corpses than a MASSIVE VOID IN THE STATION

Remove tesla 206

I disagree that the tesla is more dangerous, but I'm glad you agree that tesla is boring garbage

oranges wrote:just proves the point that we should have removed the singularity a while ago.

Leave it to the realm of the BoH

I genuinely don't understand how you came to that conclusion

Post by **oranges** » Wed May 04, 2016 5:51 am #173682

The tesla is better

The tesla is not likely to be removed any time soon.

We may as well reduce the redundancy in engines.

Wed May 04, 2016 5:55 am

oranges wrote:The tesla is better

The tesla is not likely to be removed any time soon.

We may as well reduce the redundancy in engines.

The tesla sucks donkey cock

Post by **oranges** » Wed May 04, 2016 6:00 am #173685

From a gameplay perspective PK, not your subjective opinion

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Wed May 04, 2016 6:04 am #173687

Tesla and the Singularity should be equally destructive.

If one causes less damage than the other then why bother setting up the other one?

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Wed May 04, 2016 6:18 am #173689

Because the solars and thermal gen don't explode either.

Wed May 04, 2016 6:36 am

oranges wrote:From a gameplay perspective PK, not your subjective opinion

Your subjective opinion isn't a gameplay perspective oranges

Tesla is extremely boring compared to singulo, people only use it since there is no need to watch it so it wont break out, and even if it does they can just jerk themselves off in a locker for a second or two until it leaves

It's a disgrace and a mockery of something as impactful and hilariously chaotic as the singulo. Sure, both tend to get the shuttle called, but as long as your engine's gonna be a round ender, it may as well be singulo-tier destruction.

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Wed May 04, 2016 7:13 am #173695

Change the tesla's power output. A "safe" tesla setup should not, alone, produce enough power to power the full station. (With solars, perhaps it might.) If you want a tesla setup that will handle the entire station working at full capacity, it should require risk.

Post by **oranges** » Wed May 04, 2016 11:03 am #173729

PKPenguin321 wrote:
oranges wrote:From a gameplay perspective PK, not your subjective opinion
Your subjective opinion isn't a gameplay perspective oranges

You literally backed up my point in your own post:

To quote you

I believe this is mainly because the tesla cannot escape the containment field nearly as easily and is much much much less dangerous (tesla incoming? Just hide in a locker, problem solved.) Sabotaging the tesla cannot be done by just upping the PA or whatever, you pretty much have to break into the field area and manually sabotage the field equipment, and all you accomplish by doing that is something that's not even as devastating as the singulo.

And you are quite right, the tesla is objectively better for an engineer to use, which was my point, so I'm not sure why you're getting so worked up about it.

Oldman Robustin · Wed May 04, 2016 12:10 pm

The singulo escaping and annihilating the station is a cherished SS13 experienced.

Tesla escaping lacks any of the redeeming features of a singularity rampge despite it being less lethal and super easy to counter.

You shouldn't be forced to make dangerous sub-optimal decisions as an engineer if you want to see THE LORD in action.

WarbossLincoln · Wed May 04, 2016 2:29 pm

A loose tesla engine should have a chance to revive a corpse as a zombie, like a bad horror movie.

ShadowDimentio · Wed May 04, 2016 3:28 pm

Just make it so that if a tesla gets too charged it overcharges the field generators, exploding them and rampaging across the station.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Wed May 04, 2016 4:44 pm #173783

can you list the ways the singulo escapes that does NOT involve SABOTAGE, NEGLIGENCE, or IDIOCY?

TechnoAlchemist · Wed May 04, 2016 5:59 pm

I mean ya meteors and rods

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Wed May 04, 2016 9:14 pm #173844

You can litteraly put the emitters in the containment field in tesla and wire it to the coils and then to the grid so it EVEN CANT ESCAPE

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Wed May 04, 2016 10:18 pm #173856

Zilenan91 wrote:I'm not sad about filling the collectors because that's just shitty busywork, but yeah the Tesla should be able to release itself. Maybe put mice in the engineering airlock doors near where the wires are and raise the power requirements on the field gens so if two of the emitters go down they won't get enough power into them to keep going. Also have the tesla revive simple mobs it shocks so the mice can revive and still cut power.

Post by **oranges** » Thu May 05, 2016 4:25 am #173965

Ezel wrote:You can litteraly put the emitters in the containment field in tesla and wire it to the coils and then to the grid so it EVEN CANT ESCAPE

That's pretty clever

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Thu May 05, 2016 5:02 am #173968

Having the Tesla being able to release itself from containment WITHOUT external help would be a good change.

This would give a real trade off between the two generators. While the Tesla is safer in that it's less destructive and easier to set up, but that it needs to be constantly monitored to prevent it from breaching containment. However the Singularity will never breach containment barring sabotage, but it can cause massive destruction if it is released.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Thu May 05, 2016 9:09 am #174024

iamgoofball wrote:can you list the ways the singulo escapes that does NOT involve SABOTAGE, NEGLIGENCE, or IDIOCY?

But that's the thing. Something as powerful and destructive as the engine should get loose if left unattended or set up improperly. Tesla is nearly impossible to fuck up. I like the concept of tesla but it's just too soulless right now.

Post by **oranges** » Thu May 05, 2016 9:30 am #174027

the only actual difference between the two engines is that the singularity requires you to fill the tanks for the collectors, which is why most people pick the tesla instead.

Lumbermancer · Thu May 05, 2016 11:41 am

Yeah when rounds will last 2 hours + then refilling may become a problem, because I haven't seen anyone having to refill ever so far.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Thu May 05, 2016 12:31 pm #174049

Luke Cox wrote:Tesla is nearly impossible to fuck up.

Yet somehow it keeps getting loose near roundstart. On basil anyway.

Jazaen · Post by **Jazaen** » Thu May 05, 2016 3:53 pm #174074

Because we have stupid people become engineers who do stuff like turning on PA without turning on field gen beforehand.

Post by **Cobby** » Thu May 05, 2016 8:24 pm #174159

there's nothing stopping you from throwing the singulo generator in front of the PA if you want to be a traitor. something with so much destruction should not be so easily sabotaged by setting + on a console twice during ANY POINT [including the very beginning] of the round.

Singulo is no longer fun considering if you're remotely close to it you just get stunned and sucked in [the suck n cuck]. This feature is actually really aggravating unless i lel powergame mesons, which is pretty lame.

I like the Tesla and don't think there's an issue with it, as many still die when you release it. If you want the tesla to be ULTRA- lethal, up the PA to 2 to get sniper tesla then release it at your choosing. The Tesla is still very lethal, just have to prep it.

to throw a bone, maybe revert the warning sound? Having no obvious indicator the Tesla is near would definitely make it more lethal [or people have to hide in closets 24/7 which makes you immobile and a likely target for F U N].

Thu May 05, 2016 10:20 pm

oranges wrote:the only actual difference between the two engines is that the singularity requires you to fill the tanks for the collectors, which is why most people pick the tesla instead.

That and like, the tesla is significantly harder to free, and is way less deadly, and is extremely boring for all parties involved when it gets loose in comparison to singulo

ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:Singulo is no longer fun considering if you're remotely close to it you just get stunned and sucked in [the suck n cuck]. This feature is actually really aggravating unless i lel powergame mesons, which is pretty lame

Tesla is no longer fun because it sits in engineering all round every round, and when it breaks out once in a blue moon you can just lel powergame a locker. It also doesn't even need to "suck and cuck" you since if it shocks you (which it wont unless you're braindead) it just kills you in a single zap. Tesla is objectively worse about everything you just complained about.

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Thu May 05, 2016 10:25 pm #174222

If you put the emitters in the containtment and 4 coils it never get RELEASED untill c4/bombs are involved

Also i have this idea for tesla making dangerous
Make the balls orbitting the tesla leave and go to their own path of shocking and does half damage of a normal shock i mean like this isnt op right? Need a space suit anyways when sing devoured

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Thu May 05, 2016 11:19 pm #174234

The Tesla used to be deadlier but people cried about it. Can't say I blame them because of how it works but it needs to be more deadly again.

Thu May 05, 2016 11:38 pm

Zilenan91 wrote:The Tesla used to be deadlier but people cried about it. Can't say I blame them because of how it works but it needs to be more deadly again.

That and the way that it's deadly isn't even interesting. With the singulo there is a very good chance of being able to run/throw things/jetpack away from it, and the way it just destroys everything in its path is cinematic and dare I say it fun as fuck. By comparison, the tesla is just "oh no my computer got zapped and turned off, better hide in a locker." It's lame as fuck.

Post by **Cobby** » Fri May 06, 2016 1:40 am #174263

PKPenguin321 wrote: Tesla is no longer fun because it sits in engineering all round every round, and when it breaks out once in a blue moon you can just lel powergame a locker. It also doesn't even need to "suck and cuck" you since if it shocks you (which it wont unless you're braindead) it just kills you in a single zap. Tesla is objectively worse about everything you just complained about.

you right

Post by **oranges** » Fri May 06, 2016 4:54 am #174296

PKPenguin321 wrote:
oranges wrote:the only actual difference between the two engines is that the singularity requires you to fill the tanks for the collectors, which is why most people pick the tesla instead.
That and like, the tesla is significantly harder to free

Eh? You just release the containment for it, just like the singularity.

and is way less deadly, and is extremely boring for all parties involved when it gets loose in comparison to singulo

Won't disagree with that

yackemflam · Post by **yackemflam** » Sat May 07, 2016 1:57 am #174588

oranges wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:
oranges wrote:the only actual difference between the two engines is that the singularity requires you to fill the tanks for the collectors, which is why most people pick the tesla instead.
That and like, the tesla is significantly harder to free
Eh? You just release the containment for it, just like the singularity.

and is way less deadly, and is extremely boring for all parties involved when it gets loose in comparison to singulo
Won't disagree with that

Did you even read the thread?

People are putting the emitters/coils INSIDE the shields to prevent it from releasing at all unless bombs are involved.

Remove tesla 2016

Sat May 07, 2016 4:45 am

that and to release containment you practically have to enter the pen (since PA cranking doesn't work) and without an engineering hardsuit that is guaranteed death

yackemflam · Post by **yackemflam** » Sat May 07, 2016 6:48 am #174625

Add in the fact that the tesla can straight up dust you if you're in the pen