Peacekeeper Borgs

[paprika]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Because they're a full retard feature played by full retards as well as coded by full retards

[PKPenguin321]

You don't seem to get you aren't supposed to be able to make a difference. That a borg whose only purpose is to stop things from happening and make the game boring shouldn't exist.

Are you saying Security needs to be removed?

no because you can having a meaningful conflict with sec whereas with borgs it's "do you have one of the only 3 counters on the entire station?"

[Scott]

Good memes.

[PKPenguin321]

Good memes.

good point i didn't consider that. my entire argument is now invalid.

[TechnoAlchemist]

It's too late they're already dead, God is Good.

[Incomptinence]

I have no idea how you can be so weak a non stun slowdown makes you throw a tanty.

Honestly the github emotes being the decider now of whether something is merged or not (short of code perfectionism) is utterly abused by this tiny cabal of the terrible and I thought the forums were an unsuitably small sample of the population sheesh.

[paprika]

Ok so what's the problem with people's opinions being heard as far as code goes I thought everyone wanted that?

Are you saying people who like these shitty borgs and their dogshit kit are too stupid to voice their opinion on github? Maybe we shouldn't be listening to them for balance changes.

[oranges]

jesus man are you married to a robot or something?

[Steelpoint]

What a clusterfuck.

[paprika]

jesus man are you married to a robot or something?

#BORGLIVESMATTER YOU'RE A FUCKING.. WHITE MEATBAG!

[ShadowDimentio]

no because you can having a meaningful conflict with sec whereas with borgs it's "do you have one of the only 3 counters on the entire station?"

Have you considered running away from the machine and ambushing it

Ambushes/traps are severely underused. Nobody ever expects it.

[Ezel]

Its funny how poeple go say borg OP when you know theres a borg but still your not doing anything to it

[Reece]

"Borgs are OP"
You have twenty TC and multiple other ways to stop them.
"Yeah...but they're OP"

[Atlanta-Ned]

I can't remember the last time a borg was a legitimate problem that I had to deal with.

[Reece]

I can't remember the last time a borg was a legitimate problem that I had to deal with.

In all seriousness they can be a complete ballache to deal with if they've been emagged and you lack the right tools.

[Takeguru]

In all seriousness they can be a complete ballache to deal with if ... you lack the right tools.

So, literally everything on station but a braindead next to a maint door?

I still don't like dealing with them, but everything else can be just as much of a ballache as a borg

[Atlanta-Ned]

In all seriousness they can be a complete ballache to deal with if ... you lack the right tools.

So, literally everything on station but a braindead next to a maint door?

I still don't like dealing with them, but everything else can be just as much of a ballache as a borg

Some fucking blue-skinned lizard with a stunprod, cablecuffs and a veiny validboner is a bigger problem than borgs.

[paprika]

Its funny how poeple go say borg OP when you know theres a borg but still your not doing anything to it

"Borgs are OP"
You have twenty TC and multiple other ways to stop them.
"Yeah...but they're OP"

Do you not understand that:
a) not all antags have the traitor uplink
b) forcing all antags to have ways to counter borgs AND sec just because borgs have ONE HARM POLICE MODULE WITH STUNS is a bad idea
c) the above is why secborgs were removed, energy bolas were removed, and standard borgs are being removed?

[ShadowDimentio]

Oh boy I get to repost something again and update it

Borg counters for various antags

Ion Rifle: Ranged multi-tile battery-draining instant death
EMP grenade: Ranged multi-tile battery-draining instant death
Flash: Melee instant death
Laser Pointer: Ranged annoyance/instant death
Flashbang: Full screen instant death
EMP Flashlight; basically instant death
(Shadow)ling: Sonic screech
Cult: EMP talisman, artificers, EMP rune
Wiznerd: Disable technology, magic missile, and nearly every other attacking spell
Xenos: Xeno spit, your damn claws
Ninjas: EM Burst, your sword
Blob: You're a fucking blob why do you care
Revenant: Malfunction
Swarmers: Stun mine
Ayys: Teleporting away
Others: Literally any gun, running, pressing the "fuck you kill all borgs" button on the borg console

You're hard pressed to find an antag that can't readily fuck a borg's life up even with basic equipment. The meme that BORGS HAVE NO COUNTERS!!! needs to stop. If you're so completely inept that running is too advanced a strategy for you, you deserve to get atomized.

[Scott]

Its funny how poeple go say borg OP when you know theres a borg but still your not doing anything to it

"Borgs are OP"
You have twenty TC and multiple other ways to stop them.
"Yeah...but they're OP"

Do you not understand that:
a) not all antags have the traitor uplink
b) forcing all antags to have ways to counter borgs AND sec just because borgs have ONE HARM POLICE MODULE WITH STUNS is a bad idea
c) the above is why secborgs were removed, energy bolas were removed, and standard borgs are being removed?

What antags do not have access to EMP/Flash and are also vulnerable to a security cyborg?

[ShadowDimentio]

Do you not understand that:
a) not all antags have the traitor uplink
b) forcing all antags to have ways to counter borgs AND sec just because borgs have ONE HARM POLICE MODULE WITH STUNS is a bad idea
c) the above is why secborgs were removed, energy bolas were removed, and standard borgs are being removed?

I challenge you to find a loadout for an antag that borgs just completely beat, that isn't also completely awful.

You're damn hard pressed to find one because most everything that works on humans works on borgs.

[captain sawrge]

i blocked + reported everyone itt

[paprika]

Once again the issue has never quite been borg vulnerability in the first place, it's the fact that antags have to play around them as well as security just because they have this harm clause that forces them to validhunt by extension.

In addition, if a sec officer sees two greyshirts beating each other up, he can break it up or be like 'whatever', but a borg typically treats that the same as an antag mowing people down with a gun. It's fucking retarded, but it's how the laws work, so it's better off we either a) ditch laws or b) ditch harm enforcement for silicons.

I know this will upset you, because it's the truth, but try to understand as I don't like repeating it:

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO STOP HARM IF YOU CAN'T DO IT. SECBORGS CREATE THIS PROBLEM. REMOVING SECBORGS DOESN'T MAKE BORGS 'LESS CAPABLE OF FOLLOWING THEIR LAWS', IT JUST MEANS THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE FUN POLICE ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

Find me an admin that will ban you for not breaking up a fight as an engie borg. Can you fucking people finally get it through your brains how this problem creates itself? Can you not see how removing the capabilities of silicons to do sec's job is a net gain for silicon players and everyone else and not just 'antag butthurt'? Your fucking deflection is disgusting, childish, and honestly hypocritical because it's what you accuse most coders of when most of you 'silicon minority' are doing the same god damn thing in these threads. Peacekeeper borgs are a cancer. They will be removed, or at the very least, nerfed into oblivion every time you try to buff them with shit or people abuse their module kit. I told you this would happen. Several times. Many other people did too. Yet you thought you could provoke a loophole by adding them as some kind of a fun-loving joke with the harm alarm and shit. That's the irony as Oranges so wittily mentioned, you're the joke.

[Anonmare]

Paprika living up to his spicy name tbh.