Remove Chasms

ShadowDimentio · Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:22 pm

See: Title

Post by **Thunder11** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:22 pm #219740

Watch your step

ShadowDimentio · Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:25 pm

You move too fast to let your emotions catch up or to notice the difference between the black flooring that instakills you to the regular black flooring that's everywhere else

Post by **Thunder11** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:29 pm #219744

Lavaland is supposed to be dangerous, try using your eyes

ShadowDimentio · Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:31 pm

If only I had though of that in the dozens of times I've fallen down chasms

Post by **Thunder11** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:34 pm #219747

Yes, if only...

ShadowDimentio · Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:34 pm

Mm...

ShadowDimentio · Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:43 pm

Also since when is dangerous interchangeable with garbage design? Rolling a dice and getting gibbed on anything from a 1-5 at roundstart is hard, but that isn't good design you idiots.

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:44 pm #219754

It isn't even hard to see.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:45 pm #219757

Ah yes of all the unfair things on Lavaland, you complain about the one that doesn't move, doesn't chase, and doesn't particularly do anything.

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:46 pm #219758

Just don't die lol

ShadowDimentio · Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:49 pm

Maybe if you're triple-checking every step you take so you don't get landmine'd and die, but every goddamn miner run I have seems to have the /bizzare habit/ of exclusively dying to chasms out of nowhere. Once I fucking killed a Collosus and then died to a chasm as I wander around looking for mats, it was retarded.

And nothing else on lavaland is nearly invisible and instakills you. Lava at least has the courtesy of being impossible to miss and NOT BLACK, yet every fucking time I suggest we just REPLACE CHASMS WITH LAVA NOBODY FUCKING LISTENS

Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:50 pm

i've literally only died to a chasm one time before and that was when lavaland was new and i didnt know that tendrils made chasms
just dont go near them??? i dont understand how this is such an issue

Aloraydrel · Post by **Aloraydrel** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:51 pm #219761

it's a shadow can't use his eyes so the game has to hold his hand and make sure he doesn't die episode

im gonna change the channel if you don't mind

Post by **Cobby** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:52 pm #219762

B A S A L T - D E A T H - T R A P

ShadowDimentio · Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:54 pm

What if you're not the one who kills it, and thus have literally no way of expecting your INSTANT DEATH?

By the way, rhetorical question. How many other things instantly kill you in the game? The only other things that instakill you are bombs, and those are extremely rare these days. Why the fuck do chasms get a pass?

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:55 pm #219764

This sounds like a problem wearing mesons would solve.

ShadowDimentio · Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:55 pm

Aloraydrel wrote:it's a shadow can't use his eyes so the game has to hold his hand and make sure he doesn't die episode

I can't distinguish dark colors on a screen so you're goddamn right there, I always crank the brightness up to max in every game I play or else I can't fucking see

Saegrimr wrote:This sounds like a problem wearing mesons would solve.

Good things mesons reveal them right?

(They don't)

John_Oxford · Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:58 pm

"guys i play with the brightness on my screen turn to -10 because im a elite arrpeer and require maximum immushurion"

turn your fucking brightness up or stop running in open spaces expecting not to fall
also literally "i ded pls nurf"

ShadowDimentio · Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:00 pm

If I cut it up any higher it's like stabbing my eyes, and it's not like it's even remotely close to low anyways. I just can't fucking distinguish dark colors on a screen.

Post by **Thunder11** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:29 pm #219776

Then find another job we aren't painting chasms bright pink for you

ShadowDimentio · Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:13 am

I haven't heard a single goddamn argument as to why we couldn't swap chasms for a lava moat, consider this the cue for anyone with literally any compelling opposing reason why not.

Reminder that "use your eyes" and "git gud" are not arguments

Iatots · Post by **Iatots** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:14 am #219851

Does your screen turn into a black blob while watching dark videos? If yes, you might want to turn your gamma up. It will look wonky for a day or so, but the increased detail quickly makes up for it. Or get a better monitor.

TechnoAlchemist · Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:47 am

You are the only person i've seen who's had this problem, chasm's are hilariously easy to avoid and are cool.

If you hate them so much, try making a PR to remove them, that is also easy.

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Setting_up_git

Post by **oranges** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:15 am #219856

Don't bother, because I'll close it.

Chasms are an environmental hazard in lavaland, designed to make lavaland deadly to someone who isn't paying attention.

lzimann · Post by **lzimann** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:33 am #219875

Sounds like a problem of not getting good.

ShadowDimentio · Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:08 am

>Even if you coded it I'd deny it

Cool dude oranges saves the day

Alipheese · Post by **Alipheese** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:13 am #219890

Or git gud and wear a jaunter you lazy shit. If you're any decent miner you snag one early on for that just in fucking case. Like holy shit even John cooper's more robust than your whiny ass.

onleavedontatme · Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:59 pm

Alipheese wrote:Or git gud and wear a jaunter you lazy shit. If you're any decent miner you snag one early on for that just in fucking case. Like holy shit even John cooper's more robust than your whiny ass.

I forgot there was a "get out of chasm free" item that nobody bought because nobody actually falls in them.

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:15 pm #219999

Well, to be fair. We should be able to use RCD on chasm tiles.

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:49 pm #220032

Alipheese wrote:Or git gud and wear a jaunter you lazy shit. If you're any decent miner you snag one early on for that just in fucking case. Like holy shit even John cooper's more robust than your whiny ass.

I always thought chasms were an instant automatic kill that basically deleted your mob. Then again I only died to one once and that was ages ago

ShadowDimentio · Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:53 pm

Good thing that there's a whole lot of mention of that particularly useful bit of information

Super Aggro Crag · Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:55 pm

I think chasms should have a spooky glow to them so you can be scared of the mysterious light.also it would prevent me from redtexting because some shitmin spawned a chasm on the station during a power outage again.

ShadowDimentio · Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:59 pm

I just want them swapped with lava. You don't miss lava ever and it kills you dead too.

Aloraydrel · Post by **Aloraydrel** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:12 pm #220044

Spoiler:

Screemonster · Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:21 am

[youtube]XCDKJQ3Z8bU[/youtube]

make it do the sound effect

Incomptinence · Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:58 am

Chasms are a stupid newbie trap that only ever kills more experienced players because their visuals are shit house black hole on a black floor.

It's dumb and it rarely kills anyone who wouldn't die fighting mobs improperly anyway.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:22 pm #220152

Screemonster wrote:[youtube]XCDKJQ3Z8bU[/youtube]

make it do the sound effect

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Kel-the-Oblivious · Sun Oct 23, 2016 4:18 am

Remove Chasm Insta Kill.

Replace with: Massive brute damage from impact, enough to kill a badly wounded character, but a healthy one will just be brutally injured. Teleport to Labyrinth map under Hellscape. Find your way out through a living tendril. Hyper aggressive mob Minotaur patrols it.

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:12 am #220618

Kel-the-Oblivious wrote:Remove Chasm Insta Kill.

Replace with: Massive brute damage from impact, enough to kill a badly wounded character, but a healthy one will just be brutally injured. Teleport to Labyrinth map under Hellscape. Find your way out through a living tendril. Hyper aggressive mob Minotaur patrols it.

This was actually the original plan, minus the minotaur/tendril part. Kor never got around to coding it.

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:53 am #221053

Make chams bright yellow so it burns your eyes and you still fall in

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:09 pm #221459

move this to the shed where it belongs imo

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:18 pm #221463

The shed beckons this thread

starmute · Post by **starmute** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:33 am #231565

Changeling mode has always been very hard to balance: you are a antagonist with multiple abilities including the neat new ability to headcrab however even with all the cool ideas it doesn't change the problems in balance mechanics and some of the core problems.

Lets go into that in general:

From a protaganist/security/station point of view

A ling is very hard to detect if the opposing antagonist is any good at his job.
A changeling has a few tricks up his sleeve that make him hard to catch even if he is identified
If a changeling is robust enough, Cryogenic Sting, Dissonant Shriek, and Mute sting can do a great job and deal with any/all opposition.

From a changeling point of view

Changelings have lots of powers, they can

They have TONS of objectives. Usually its something like 8 genomes, murder x and steal y, escape on the shuttle wearing x's badge. It becomes... tedious.

Unless you go on a murder spree being a undercover super god isn't all its cracked up to be.

Then you have the Cortical Borer gamemode

While it IS fun it has no direction. There aren't any real goals and it basicly comes down to "does my host and the crew care"

Usually the case is "no".

Why not come up with a combination where you have to spawn a certain amount of boerers, kill someone, and get off station. Something like that.

Thanks for your consideration.

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:44 am #231569

That still doesn't give any sense of direction to borers, and if the ling decides to go on a rampage later it kicks him in the ass because he now made a bunch of coordinated crewmen with healers that want to keep people alive to make more babies and reproduce.

Poorman · Post by **Poorman** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:06 am #233013

It's not a huge problem, but lavaland chasms are just way too punishing, even for the deathtrap known as lavaland. It's not only an instant kill, but an instant destruction of the player mob, all for the horrendous crime of stepping on a tile. It's totally out of sync with the rest of the game.

Not paying attention for 2 seconds or hitting a lag spike shouldn't ever be punished with instant death and mob removal. Surely there's a better way to implement chasms.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:16 am #233016

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8278

Poorman · Post by **Poorman** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:38 am #233034

Saegrimr wrote:https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8278

So I should necro a thread from 2 months ago instead of posting a new one?

I'd really appreciate it if you fucked off, buddy.

D&B wrote:Get good.

Also get the fuck out of here with that "totally out of sync" bullshit when there's an antag type that can only be stopped by destroying the corpse permanently.

That's such a terrible comparison. Equating the need to kill changelings by gibbing them to an instant death and gibbing for stepping on a tile isn't even remotely similar. And it absolutely is out of sync. Nothing on lavaland is so punishing for making a mistake.

Seriously. I wouldn't even be that opposed to chasms if there was some sort of 5 second opportunity to get back on land before you fall, or if it didn't totally destroy your corpse. It's just so out of wack with absolutely everything else.

You can take several hits from megafauna, but that won't totally expel you from the round.

You can walk around in space or in fire for several minutes like a retard, but that won't expel you from the round.

But if you step on a chasm tile, a chasm which you didn't cause and had no idea was there, or fall into one due to server lag, it's fucking over.

Why not make people that die to fire totally burn to ashes and be uncloneable?

Why not make people who step out into space without a suit burst when they die due to the vacuum?

It doesn't make any sense.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:41 am #233038

Poorman wrote:So I should necro a thread from 2 months ago instead of posting a new one?

I'd really appreciate it if you fucked off, buddy.

Everybody else does for some reason, but no the intention was to get you to read everything you're going to hear in this thread anyway.

Namely.

"Git gud"
"How did you even die to that"
"Git gud"
"No really git gud theres a handful of items that specifically prevents you from dieing to these"

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:41 am #233039

You are literally one of two people who has a problem with them. They are dangerous but if you pay attention it is pretty simple to not step in them