Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
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Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
Right, time to shitstir again
someone used the holodeck and an air pump to get infinite amounts
50% was dead by the 10 minute mark
everyone was dead by the time the admincalled shuttle got to the station
thanks goof.
someone used the holodeck and an air pump to get infinite amounts
50% was dead by the 10 minute mark
everyone was dead by the time the admincalled shuttle got to the station
thanks goof.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
As a 'participant' of that round, I can tell you that it killed pretty much everyone dead in under 10 seconds about 5 minutes into the round. I barely had enough time to go from my seat in chemistry to the sleepers in boxstation medbay before keeling over. This is worse than releasing a singulo and tesla at the same time, my god.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
maybe consider that the holodeck shouldn't produce infinite of ANY gas
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
how are they getting freon is it an emag function?
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
Yeah, works like the plasma fire one
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
The issue is Freon, not plasma. Plasma is already available in massive amounts and the plasma holodeck will also very often self destruct itself after prolonged use. Freon does not kill its own simulation by burning through the floor nor is it balanced around, or available in massive amounts.iamgoofball wrote:maybe consider that the holodeck shouldn't produce infinite of ANY gas
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
10/10 give that tator a medal
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
That is some robust atmosia.
I like.
I like.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
So they used a portable air pump and an empty container? Jeez that is actually pretty impressive.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
Sounds like that traitor was doing important bugtesting, thanks traitor!
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
Am I missing a step?
An air pump shouldn't just produce infinite freon?
An air pump shouldn't just produce infinite freon?
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
The holodeck produces infinite freon. A traitor took an air pump to the holodeck and just kept filling it up, and then connected it to atmos. At least, I'm assuming that's what happened.Bluespace wrote:Am I missing a step?
An air pump shouldn't just produce infinite freon?
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
The holodeck producing infinite gas offends my reelisms. However gameplay>realism so the real question we need to be asking is, is this feature fun beyond a single round of robust tatoring?
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
honestly freon isn't fun its frustrating
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
Emag, or any silicon can override it at any time.oranges wrote:how are they getting freon is it an emag function?
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
This happened yesterday when I was AI
Cameras were already broken in the holodeck area at round start, and I had no borgs
3 crew made it to shuttle and probably only the traitor who caused the freon on the pods, and that was only from me disabling as many air vents as I could before it was everywhere
I understand freon having a purpose to cool the SM now, but really, one emag shouldn't be able to cause this much death
Cameras were already broken in the holodeck area at round start, and I had no borgs
3 crew made it to shuttle and probably only the traitor who caused the freon on the pods, and that was only from me disabling as many air vents as I could before it was everywhere
I understand freon having a purpose to cool the SM now, but really, one emag shouldn't be able to cause this much death
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
doesn't really seem like a bug if it's a traitor doing it.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
A thing I noticed is that freon hangs around even after the holodeck sim is stopped
Is this bug fixed or no?
Is this bug fixed or no?
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
I have a suggestion: Make Freon not cool down other gases, just freeze turfs, objects and people without cold protection. Also make Freon not dissipate. You'd both buff Freon as an environmental hazard to unprotected people but you'd also make it much easier to remove and not cause a huge atmos mess afterwards.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
Reminder that frozen stuff will never defrost, frozen floors are slippery, and frozen items break permanently if you throw them. It's retarded.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
I agree with shadow all of these things are fucking stupid
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
wasn't freon changed to allow rewarming? I definitely remember that being changed, so that's either a bug or you're talking out your ass.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
I did not confirm any of those things so if shadow was lying than so too was I
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
Excuse me for not knowing about a change made to a meme gas that's effectively been out of the game for months. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but you're acting like an especially large dick tonight, Oranges.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
It's oranges.ShadowDimentio wrote:Excuse me for not knowing about a change made to a meme gas that's effectively been out of the game for months. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but you're acting like an especially large dick tonight, Oranges.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
Have you heard of researching before stating?ShadowDimentio wrote:Excuse me for not knowing about a change made to a meme gas that's effectively been out of the game for months. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but you're acting like an especially large dick tonight, Oranges.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
I'm not wasting my time code diving to make sure I'm well-read on my meme gasses, especially when I have zero reason to believe anything has changed. I'll just take my chances with someone calling me stupid thanks.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
That's the kind of thinking that causes Nazis.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
You're gonna have to try harder than that my dude
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
I'll try hard when you research hard
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
I dreamed of pulling this meme off but I always forget (plus I always figured on higher pop rounds some borg would roll and and shut everything down).
I'm with Goof though, this is less about Freon and more about the holodeck producing infinity gas. If the wildfire simulator did the same thing you'd see the same effect for plasma too.
I'm with Goof though, this is less about Freon and more about the holodeck producing infinity gas. If the wildfire simulator did the same thing you'd see the same effect for plasma too.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
I've actually worked with a rogue AI that did that or tried to memory a bit vague. Piping hot co2 for all.
Not much more effective than a regular plasma flood (both sourced from infinity) main problem is distribution. Freon is obviously much more jacked.
Not much more effective than a regular plasma flood (both sourced from infinity) main problem is distribution. Freon is obviously much more jacked.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
This is more on the holodeck, honestly. I realized that it was kinda stupid crazy when I've seen it and waited for someone to actually pull off using it more efficiently. I usually end up not rolling antagonist and/or if I do I'm not Atmos having easy access to abuse it efficiently. Yet there's been plenty times people have released it and scrubbers got set to contain it, which I'd managed to catch a large quantity of freon that I couldn't really use for anything with a filter on the waste line hooked to a canister; short time I manged to get about 60000kPa of freon in the canister before an AI stopped it. This also sounds like an AI was subverted here, was killed or the cameras got cut as usually that's what stops the simulation.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
It is a bad thing that it makes gas but really current plasma is less lethal than freon by like a magnitude. Freon lingers to ensure survivors are trapped, slows due to cold, slips and does not need an ignition to start killing. If atmos had a freon source that was on par with any of the other gas stores it would be as much of a cock up since the cold would let it pull that same super condensed gas shit all through the pipes.
A second infinite gas source was never a problem before it was like a more time intensive alternative to bypass being spotted in atmospherics. The effortless cooling and gas condensation from freon is the problem.
A second infinite gas source was never a problem before it was like a more time intensive alternative to bypass being spotted in atmospherics. The effortless cooling and gas condensation from freon is the problem.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
Freon also cools the atmosphere when released, which lowers the pressure, which makes nearby vents release more freon, so you don't need to actually set any air vents to release this shit
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
is someone going to nerf the holodeck or are you all just more content whining
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
Code freeze, but in fairness this is more of a bugfix than anything because the holodeck was never supposed to generate an infinite amount of gas.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
Make holodeck not spawn infinite gas and you merely slow the collection of freon down with traitors having to reload it, while nerfing its plasmafire potential severely.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
maintainer fiat, it's a bug
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
I would remove reloading making it spawn gas tooIatots wrote:Make holodeck not spawn infinite gas and you merely slow the collection of freon down with traitors having to reload it, while nerfing its plasmafire potential severely.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
Or just make the gas holographic (subtype gas) and cease to exist outside of the holodeck area, also stop wildfire floods but you can still locally incinerate shit.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
I think that if that is at all possible it would probably be the best solution, as you can still make a killchamber in the holodeck but cannot make gas from nothing
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
Run a check for the gas if its outside the holodeck area (or a area labelled the holodeck or whatever freaky ass system the holodeck uses) just not to activate at all but Q delete.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
Can we just leave this in for a while longer, so I have time to freon the entire station?
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
Freon sucks as a way to stop plasmafires.
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
fuck you this was amazing and Jean is a CLEVER SMART AND TALENTED BOY
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
1v1 me mate. Holodeck is for Arpee make believe, this quite clearly is exploitative of that system like the prior exploits of stealing wood from deconstructing chairs then reloading the map in (or was it stealing the chairs? I forget)
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Re: Freon [and holodeck gasses, and freon in general]
The actual answer is to replace the holodeck with Remies VR world and VR sleepers as that would prevent any items or objects being transferred to the station at all.
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