dezzmont wrote:It depends on how you think about gameplay.
It definitely harms janitor gameplay and removes a lot of incentive to try, so in that sense it is bad. Gameplay isn't all about conflict and combat, dirt is in fact a part of gameplay to a certain degree for most jobs and defines gameplay for one.
I still see the janitor cleaning like normal, and there usually is a janitor.
dezzmont wrote:But you could also look at it from the lens of aesthetic direction and game feel, and by that account it is really damn ugly and feels wrong.
Going to stop right there and say that this game isn't supposed to look clean, either, even at round start.
dezzmont wrote:There hasn't really been a good defense for this change rather than "Eh?" which isn't very compelling. Instead of saying "Oh whatever" why not try to explain what this adds to the game experience? Because the agreement seems to be "No benefit, either no loss or minor loss." Meaning at best for most people it adds nothing to their experience and at worst it removes something.
Does it really need to add anything to gameplay? Does everything we add /have/ to keep us riveted to our seats?
dezzmont wrote:"It isn't completely ass" or "Well I mean it doesn't really affect anything important negatively" is hardly a defense of the change. "Paprika tried" is definitely not a defense and trying to hyper focus on some people getting agro is just a transparent smokescreen everyone can see through by now. For instance Saegmir was pretty fact focused until Paprika said everyone was overreacting and people were just butthurt.
Paprka tried to add something that might be nice. You don't really know until you try it out live, provided it doesn't turn everyone into mini Nar-Sies.
And yes, people were overreacting. Paprka even stated at the beginning of thread a few posts after that he could edit it to possibly make it better. Some decent criticism besides 'This is shit' would have probably helped him. I didn't mean 'Paprka tried, so it's alright to add', I meant 'Paprka tried, let's not blow his brains out for it.'.
He probably didn't consult anyone here before adding this because... it's dirt.
Also, our opening statement was:
danno wrote:THIS IS AWFUL
Not bashing on danno here, but that's not going to really help anyone's mood if that's the opening feedback to what they did.
dezzmont wrote:Also, calling this a few dozen dirt stains is dumb when hundreds of dirt tiles are created every minute. That is a bit more than "a few dozen."
It still doesn't look as bad as people are making it out to be. When I first heard about it, I logged in to expect the hallways to be completely black and caked with dirt. I probably wouldn't have noticed it had it not been pointed out.
Saegrimr wrote:Spacemanspark wrote:Not everyone might be getting upset, but there certainly are a few people getting very upset over a few dozen extra dirt stains. Mostly looking at Saegrimer up there. That's hardly constructive criticism.
Again, though, I have yet to see how this harms gameplay. I log in and see everything normal as it usually is. Even if I play as a janitor, I probably wouldn't have a huge problem with it, the station is just never going to be 100% clean. Even before this update.
Its about as topical as the person it was directed at.
You could still be the more mature person about it.
I'll edit this later to make it make more sense, I'm currently focusing my attention on fifteen different things.