When an issue is so primary in the player's mind for a month that it floods feedback because people feel like you don't want to listen to others, it is an extremely poor choice to make a banner at the top of the feedback forum telling people they don't want to hear it. We get it, it is painfully obvious you are so out of touch with your userbase that it is a wonder you are allowed to have one, please don't rub salt in the wound.
As to MisterPerson, I know you mean well but you are actually saying some things that read in a rather disgusting manner. There is a lot wrong with what you put out, but here is my highlight reel.
MisterPerson wrote: We're all here to make and play a game we want to play, nothing more, nothing less. That's what I'm doing, all the coders are doing, all the players who leave feedback or ideas, everyone is arrogantly trying to make the game they want to play. Why should I listen to what anyone has to say over my own opinions? If I was getting paid, sure, that'd be a good reason, but other than that? There isn't one.
I'm going to make changes I want to make, and the only thing that will stop me is leadership over the code project choosing to reject those changes. If you don't like that, tough shit frankly. You can leave all the feedback you want, I'm still free to ignore it. But as of right now, if I have to choose between the opinions of others and my opinions, I'm going to go with me every time.
The take away here is that you think that /tg/station exists to in any way service the coders, and that as a coder you should have the right to do what you want regardless of the outcry as long as the leadership does nothing.
Both of these attitudes are awful and no sane person should hold these standards as ideal. This is the fundemental disconnect between the playerbase and coders. Yes, you are right that nothing but the project heads can force you to do anything, and that you have no real obligiation to care at all about the players, and you can code whatever you want just for fun. But the playerbase is frankly sick of that attitude and coders pretending they are owed anything.
Admins don't pretend they are owed anything and they frankly are way more important to the actual continuation of the server. By every metric they work harder than you and have a much harder, and more vital job. But when they do something for personal gain at the detrement of the playerbase no one tries to gloss it over and say "Oh well they do it for free and lol are you going to step up and take charge?"
No. They get deadminned for doing something as little as spawning a stamp. And then are presented to the playerbase and asked openly and honestly "Do you want this guy around?"
Administrative policy and rules are discussed openly, and players have a lot of input on what goes down without having total control. They are a pretty good model of leadership because the entire culture is set up around servicing the playerbase. You don't become an admin and twist it to be fun for you, you become an admin because you find the role fun, and if the restrictions, responsibility, and duty to the greater server makes you unhappy it kinda sucks and means you really shouldn't be in that position.
MisterPerson wrote:
Yes, -clearly- people decided to make improvements to the game to cover for goonchem and not, oh I dunno, a desire to improve the game that had no bearing with goonchem, right? Nah, that would make too much sense. It must be a CONSPIRACY! Based on your propensity to see crazy conspiracies everywhere, you must be the same sort of fool who thinks the gubment puts mind-altering chemicals in the water and reads your thoughts from microwaves.
When I was an admin and the primary go between for the administration I was exposed to much worse misbehavior and indiscretions than this, but at least then headcoders, who by the way were primarily muskets and erro and thus were not exactly the model of leadership, recognized there was a problem, did something about it, actually took corrective action, and made the process very public and trasnparent, which is literally the textbook way to handle that sort of crisis even if you didn't actually do anything wrong.
Considering how heavily you and for lack of a better word your orginization is being criticized you need to do much better than just trying to play the conspiracy card, these alegations are in everyone's mind because to them you
would sink that low. If you would or not is irellevant, what matters is you have gotten to the point where people will believe it. Eespecially because it matches a consistent pattern of behavior up to a fundemental failure in logic and one of two ways to handle how utterly moronic the logic behind avoiding reversion has been:
"We can't revert now! The change isn't done!"
"Well now that the change is done we can't convert!"
Neither of these excuses are good, but using both means that coderbus is either corrupt, knowingly forcing stuff they can't really defend from a game design standpoint on people, or incompitent because they lack the orginization and leadership to prevent people from crossing wires this hard and letting it stand. I personally think it is a little of collum A and B, the kinda poor behavior that springs up from normally decent people because they are made sure that it is no harm no foul.
MisterPerson wrote:
Never said I wouldn't listen to feedback, I simply said that volume of feedback doesn't intrinsically mean anything. And I don't think anyone deserves "hatred". This is a game. Cool the hyperbole. Nobody "hates" anyone here.
It is funny how strong emotions can get when one side with all the, real or perceived, power seems to treat other people like dirt. People are being hyperbolic but I do think the attitudes displayed here make it only just so.
paprika wrote:
Player polls SHOULD do nothing to accept the change. Polls are crap feedback. You're not millions of people voting for a president or laws, you're a small group of individuals that can leave thoughtful feedback without being douchebags.
Yeah one problem, you don't recognize the validity of any feedback, no matter if it is a poll, post, or whatever, and that information is public knowledge. I think polls suck too, but I don't think that in any way excuses how this went down.