Hull breaches don't get repaired properly

[Amnestik]

Title says it all really. Hull breaches are too time consuming and finicky to fully repair. Most only get the cursory plating and air canister treatment, which leads to areas of the station remaining uninhabitable and non-functional. Bombs are an automatic shuttle call, due to the lag, danger and unemployment they cause.

How can we fix this?

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Give engineers a Blueprint Overlay Device, so they can see where all the wires, cables, and pipes used to go

[DemonFiren]

Or add this thing as a mode to the engineering scanner goggles.

[Steelpoint]

That's actually a good idea, one of the biggest problems I faced when I was new to engineering was that I had no idea where to put things when repairing sections, and by giving a pre-made layout to engineers via their scanner goggles than this would go a long way in helping them and making the idea of fixing hull breaches more feasible to do.

[Incomptinence]

Or re-simplify floor placement again.

It was mostly made two step so people would not make huge buildings in space, lagging the game. As a consequence people take too long repairing breaches too and it is almost not worth bothering with by the time you are done it is called.

Or make bombs leave the girders behind I dunno.

[Akkryls]

Could we also add in construction methods for blast shutters, console buttons etc.
Stuff like this, once it gets blown up, never works again for the rest of the round

[TheNightingale]

Could we also add in construction methods for blast shutters, console buttons etc.
Stuff like this, once it gets blown up, never works again for the rest of the round

It'd be nice if you could use a multitool to link the buttons to something (like telecomms).

Secure lockers would be good too. How about:

Add a sheet of plasteel to any closed, non-secure closet to turn it into an unfinished secure locker assembly. (Weld to remove the plasteel.)
Add five cable coils to this to make a wired secure locker assembly. (Wirecut to remove the coils.)
Add airlock electronics to this to make a finished secure locker assembly. (Crowbar to remove the electronics.)
Screw the electronics in with a screwdriver to make a secure locker, locked with the settings set on the electronics. (Screwdriver whilst open to unscrew the electronics.) This prompts a pop-up where you can select the locker's name (e.g. 'contraband locker') and appearance (e.g. 'head of security').

Spoiler:

To construct: Two sheets of metal (closet); plasteel; five cable coils; airlock electronics; screwdriver.
To deconstruct: Open; screwdriver; crowbar; wirecutters; welder; welder.

[Bombadil]

One of the problems is space wind throwing you into space making you unable to place girders until there is no air left

[TheNightingale]

Magboots should protect you against space wind. (I've found the best way to combat this is to use the RPD to place down two disposals chutes outside the breach; if it's just one you'll push it out of the way and follow it yourself.)

| .............. In which X is the smart Engineer
| .............. and the O's are the disposals chutes
X O O ........ Usually the Engineer would be dragged out
| .............. But the disposals chutes say otherwise

[Steelpoint]

Then get rid of space wind.

[Bluespace]

I quite like space wind.

[CPTANT]

space wind is fine but its stupid that wearing a jetpack with stabillity control on or magboots don't work against it.


Also why doesn't maint have air vents? one carp and it stays decompressed, I get that its not a public area, but surely you are expected to BREATHE when working there.

[rockpecker]

Title says it all really. Hull breaches are too time consuming and finicky to fully repair. Most only get the cursory plating and air canister treatment, which leads to areas of the station remaining uninhabitable and non-functional. Bombs are an automatic shuttle call, due to the lag, danger and unemployment they cause.

How can we fix this?

Remove shuttle calls.

[callanrockslol]

> he hasn't memorized all wire and pipe placements

Seriously though just rip up the surrounding floor if it isn't a maxcap and join shit together until it works.

[Cik]

i don't know if the blueprint thing is necessary, any good engineer can humpty-dumpty a piece of the station back together. it doesn't have to be exactly like it used to be. real obstacle to efficient repairing is number of engineers/engiborgs (often the station has very few of them, for a number of reasons) and the 'why bother' generated by shuttle calls the instant something is damaged. to be fair it's getting better now, as fastmos actually allows repairing the air of even really pressurized / unpressurized rooms in a reasonable timespan, thank god. however i still think there's an overtendency to shuttle call as soon as a single bomb goes off anywhere, and it's aggravating as an engiborg to spend 10 minutes fixing the crater that used to be security only to realize that the shuttle was called for flimsy reasons and no one bothered to recall it, wasting all that effort.

the other problem i think is that most engineers don't know much besides "routine" engineering. they know how to singulo or solar but as for patching atmos pipes, disaposal pipes, the floor, windows and the electrical grid they've rarely done it, if at all for the above reason(s)

[duncathan]

Make specific emergencies the jurisdiction of the head most responsible. Everyone dying? HoS/CMO. Sing loose? CE/RD (because BoH). Bombs destroying shit? CE/HoS. So on. I've been demoted from CE before for recalling a shuttle that was called for a loose sing that fucked off into space. Not for the sing getting loose, but for saying "we're actually fine; there's no emergency." Even worse is when I've had a completely competent team rebuild breaches perfectly, and the shuttle staying called because I didn't go to the bridge immediately. I understand the whole chain of command thing, but the captain really should be getting an expert opinion before declaring certain emergencies.