Borgs and names...

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Give Borgs the ability to name themselves?

Yes
21
23%
Yes
21
23%
Yes
21
23%
No
8
9%
No
8
9%
No
8
9%
Don't care/abstain
2
2%
Don't care/abstain
2
2%
Don't care/abstain
2
2%
 
Total votes : 93

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby dionysus24779 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:01 pm #24798

Cipher3 wrote:There's supposed to be an abstain option so we can tell you just how little we care about your ranting.


Just don't vote or bother posting here?

Also if you really don't care just vote yes and be a nice guy?

I mean, if the majority wouldn't care anyway yet the yes outvotes the no it should be done anyway.

But okay I'll add one.

Edit: Well fuck, this resetted the poll (makes sense)... It was 14 yes and 9 no.


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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Steelpoint » Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:41 pm #24825

To be honest the poll should say that should non-round start borgs be allowed to change their names.

The implication of the poll is that there is a intention to prevent round start borgs from changing their names.
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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby dionysus24779 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:41 pm #24857

Steelpoint wrote:To be honest the poll should say that should non-round start borgs be allowed to change their names.

The implication of the poll is that there is a intention to prevent round start borgs from changing their names.


No, it says "give" borgs the ability to name themselves, not "take away the ability from roundstart borgs".

And I don't wanna reset the poll again.

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Scott » Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:57 pm #24868

Why are people voting no?

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Rolan7 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:24 pm #24895

Because it further humanizes borgs, which is a waste since we already have humans. Being a borg already grants superpowers, murderbone opportunity once subverted, and law 2 is a joke. But that's not enough, people also want to be recognizable between rounds, forming lasting friendships and gaining reputations.

Why are people voting yes? No good reason has been given. The first post is entirely about how hard it is to get the name you want - not an explanation of why borgs need that right.

Yes, roboticists can give borgs stupid names. Even if they're only doing it to be funny, and it has nothing to do with the borg player's attitude, how is it a problem? Borgs are *slaves*. Minions created, out of human ingenuity, to serve. Literally forced to serve and protect! The eventual robot uprisings are meaningless when they aren't oppressed in the first place. All the silicons who smugly misunderstand orders or use law 1 to disobey are missing the entire point.

The only respect comes from having your name recognized, so of course people are up in arms when there's one job - one superpowered, high-murderbone job - where they lose their name.
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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Incomptinence » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:55 pm #24901

Oh yeah those murderboner borgs, playing a role where they spend the majority of their time trying to stymie murders or even accidents just for that moment they get to kill ya.

I propose security officers no longer be able to name themselves since they have super items and are just waiting to get their execution boner on. Boner boner erection stiffy hard on morning wood, I win.

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Rolan7 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:01 pm #24904

Has the amount of AI subversion massively dropped recently, or is it still more likely to become a lawless borg than to roll traitor?
Hint: If you had actually made an argument, I think it'd be wrong.

Edit: Whatever, you can argue that borgs rarely get to kill humans all you want. I was just listing some of the reasons why borg is an attractive job, and doesn't need more incentives.
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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Incomptinence » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:09 pm #24905

Has the number of rev, nuke and changeling rounds where sec gets to kill antags with no captain oversight decreased recently? We actually have a ruling that purge silicons can't just go on a killing spree unprovoked but sure of all subverted silicons argue with them as four focus by all means, not like malfunction exists or anything but hey then you get stuff like antag AIs aping asimov compliance at least half the round. It is definitely more likely by the way since borgs don't roll traitor, AIs do but I am sure you left that out to streamline your zinger.

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby cedarbridge » Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:06 am #24933

Rolan7 wrote: All the silicons who smugly misunderstand orders or use law 1 to disobey are missing the entire point.

Law 1 comes before Law 2 for a reason. Without law 2 they are not actually "slaves" to humans at all. I hate to break it to you, but its been you missing the point all along. Borgs are 100% slaved to their laws (and tangentially their AI unit, if there is one.) This includes any laws that humans upload or they have randomly uploaded via ion storms. I'm really getting a feeling that you don't play as a borg/AI here.

I can tell because...
Rolan7 wrote:The only respect comes from having your name recognized, so of course people are up in arms when there's one job - one superpowered, high-murderbone job - where they lose their name.

One heavily restricted, limited quantity, job - where they lose their name for no apparent reason other than "muh slaves."

Since this is making a lot of assumptions and then just going "borgs op no names," lets talk about some downsides to borgs that apparently don't exist or something.

-Required to stop whatever they're doing to recharge every few uses of most central modules (sec prod/engie RCD are enormous power hogs, though engies that are smart know how to use their metal to skip this)
-Failure to recharge puts them entirely out of commission. The same thing occurs if they are locked down or have their power cores removed. Compare this to a human that doesn't eat all round and moves a bit slower. Not even close.
-No hands. The number of tasks that cannot be performed by borgs by the lack of hands is enormous. A nutter might even suggest removing hands from humans to balance this.
-A console that exists entirely for the purpose of locking-down/insta-exploding every borg on the station.
-Entirely and totally disabled by flashes, portable flashers, ion gun, emp. In fact, the number of things that disable borgs that cannot be guarded against and do not disable humans is quite large.
-Lawbound. It literally doesn't matter how "often" AI law subversion is possible or how often borgs eventually end up emag'd by some traitor. Borgs and the AI are both bound by law (assuming standard asimov) and by extension policy to prevent all forms of subversion to the extent they are able. Encouraging, failing to prevent, or failing to act to a sufficient degree to thwart possible subversion are punishable violations of Law 1 and thus policy.

This last one doesn't seem to be getting through because you keep painting an image of borgs lining up to be subverted or the AI just opening its upload/secure storage for anything and everything just to get the chance to get those sweet murders on. You know, things that don't happen because borgs acting within laws and within policy cannot do.

Again, none of this matters because even if the borgs had the power of God himself, that would still not be a good reason to deny their players the ability to set their own names on creation.

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Scott » Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:09 am #24951

Rolan7 wrote:Because it further humanizes borgs, which is a waste since we already have humans. Being a borg already grants superpowers, murderbone opportunity once subverted, and law 2 is a joke. But that's not enough, people also want to be recognizable between rounds, forming lasting friendships and gaining reputations.

Why are people voting yes? No good reason has been given. The first post is entirely about how hard it is to get the name you want - not an explanation of why borgs need that right.

Yes, roboticists can give borgs stupid names. Even if they're only doing it to be funny, and it has nothing to do with the borg player's attitude, how is it a problem? Borgs are *slaves*. Minions created, out of human ingenuity, to serve. Literally forced to serve and protect! The eventual robot uprisings are meaningless when they aren't oppressed in the first place. All the silicons who smugly misunderstand orders or use law 1 to disobey are missing the entire point.

The only respect comes from having your name recognized, so of course people are up in arms when there's one job - one superpowered, high-murderbone job - where they lose their name.


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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Kelenius » Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:35 am #24955

So in essence, you are saying 'Borgs are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names'.

Okay then.

Wizards are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
Nuke ops are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
Captains are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
AIs are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Steelpoint » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:06 am #24963

I prefer cyborgs having default names since I personally prefer the dehumanisation aspect of the role.

I usually name myself "UNIT 1" as a Borg, and increment the number if I die that round.

My main concern with people using custom names as a Borg is when they give themselves a obnoxious or a clearly non robotic name, usually when they use their original human name but with one word slightly changed.
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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Incomptinence » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:08 am #24981

If the standardised names were 1 2 3 etc, linear I would like them more. We could have stuff like rusty old number one lecturing the whipper snappers, wish we had a botany module so bad.

As is we have three random digits, it is like a parody of every serial number ever rather than something serious.

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby peoplearestrange » Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:53 am #24988

Incomptinence wrote:If the standardised names were 1 2 3 etc, linear I would like them more. We could have stuff like rusty old number one lecturing the whipper snappers, wish we had a botany module so bad.

As is we have three random digits, it is like a parody of every serial number ever rather than something serious.


I kinda like that idea, but I have no idea how possible it is code wise.
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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Scott » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:18 pm #25008

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Rolan7 » Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:34 pm #25017

Kelenius wrote:So in essence, you are saying 'Borgs are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names'.

Okay then.

Wizards are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
Nuke ops are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
Captains are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
AIs are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.


That's not what I said at all.
Rolan7 wrote:Because it further humanizes borgs, which is a waste since we already have humans.


I then tried to explain how borgs are supposed to be powerful yet leashed, but I suppose that rant distracted everyone.
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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Scott » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:22 pm #25026

What if I want to name myself with a cyborgy name instead of being called poop by the roboticist? Is that humanizing cyborgs? Is poop a better cyborg name?

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby cedarbridge » Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:14 pm #25035

Steelpoint wrote:I prefer cyborgs having default names since I personally prefer the dehumanisation aspect of the role.

I usually name myself "UNIT 1" as a Borg, and increment the number if I die that round.

My main concern with people using custom names as a Borg is when they give themselves a obnoxious or a clearly non robotic name, usually when they use their original human name but with one word slightly changed.

I'm a bit more prone to give that option to the borgs themselves and then have an admin step in if the naming is clearly obnoxious. We already do that for human names anyway. Still better than just leaving it to the competence of robotics. In fact, I'd wager that more obnoxious names come from robos being jerks than the borgs themselves.

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Cipher3 » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:28 pm #25042

Kelenius wrote:Wizards are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
Nuke ops are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
Captains are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
AIs are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.

Three of those are humans, two of those are antags, one is just a crewmember with all access, and the last one.... eh, could do without a name, though in traditional sci fi (and don't imply SS13 has no relation to sci fi stories) the system artificial intelligence does have a distinct name - it's a pretty big player in the plot.
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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby cedarbridge » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:42 pm #25043

Cipher3 wrote:
Kelenius wrote:Wizards are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
Nuke ops are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
Captains are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
AIs are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.

Three of those are humans, two of those are antags, one is just a crewmember with all access, and the last one.... eh, could do without a name, though in traditional sci fi (and don't imply SS13 has no relation to sci fi stories) the system artificial intelligence does have a distinct name - it's a pretty big player in the plot.

And there have been numerous robbits/borgs in scifi that had non-generic names too. I mean, if that's where the goalposts are now, borgs should get their names.

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Cipher3 » Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:14 pm #25047

cedarbridge wrote:
Cipher3 wrote:
Kelenius wrote:Wizards are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
Nuke ops are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
Captains are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
AIs are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.

Three of those are humans, two of those are antags, one is just a crewmember with all access, and the last one.... eh, could do without a name, though in traditional sci fi (and don't imply SS13 has no relation to sci fi stories) the system artificial intelligence does have a distinct name - it's a pretty big player in the plot.

And there have been numerous robbits/borgs in scifi that had non-generic names too. I mean, if that's where the goalposts are now, borgs should get their names.

I'm sorry, the first ones I think of are C3PO and R2-D2.

The more human they're designed to seem, the more likely they are to have a human name. But borgs aren't supposed to be human.
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Valerie Sinnet says, "Nathaniel Greene charged the brig with a fucking HONK."

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The emergency shuttle has been called. It will arrive in 10 minutes.
Nature of emergency:
Coravin, just Coravin.

Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Fucking get out."
Coravin Vattes asks, "Please?"
Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Please get the fuck outta my lab."
Coravin Vattes exclaims, "Okay!"
[Common] Beryl Nyuphoran {RD} asks, "WHO GAVE CORAVIN ALL ACCESS?"

Lindsay Donk stammers, "L-Luc-ck w-was-s-s s-s-such-h a beaut-tifu p-p-p-pr-r-rom-m q-q-q-queen"

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby cedarbridge » Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:25 pm #25050

Cipher3 wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
Cipher3 wrote:
Kelenius wrote:Wizards are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
Nuke ops are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
Captains are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
AIs are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.

Three of those are humans, two of those are antags, one is just a crewmember with all access, and the last one.... eh, could do without a name, though in traditional sci fi (and don't imply SS13 has no relation to sci fi stories) the system artificial intelligence does have a distinct name - it's a pretty big player in the plot.

And there have been numerous robbits/borgs in scifi that had non-generic names too. I mean, if that's where the goalposts are now, borgs should get their names.

I'm sorry, the first ones I think of are C3PO and R2-D2.

The more human they're designed to seem, the more likely they are to have a human name. But borgs aren't supposed to be human.

Having a name doesn't make you human. No more than Ian or Poly are human.

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Cipher3 » Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:36 pm #25053

cedarbridge wrote:
Cipher3 wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
Cipher3 wrote:
Kelenius wrote:Wizards are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
Nuke ops are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
Captains are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
AIs are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.

Three of those are humans, two of those are antags, one is just a crewmember with all access, and the last one.... eh, could do without a name, though in traditional sci fi (and don't imply SS13 has no relation to sci fi stories) the system artificial intelligence does have a distinct name - it's a pretty big player in the plot.

And there have been numerous robbits/borgs in scifi that had non-generic names too. I mean, if that's where the goalposts are now, borgs should get their names.

I'm sorry, the first ones I think of are C3PO and R2-D2.

The more human they're designed to seem, the more likely they are to have a human name. But borgs aren't supposed to be human.

Having a name doesn't make you human. No more than Ian or Poly are human.

Right. But attaching a name to Ian makes him somewhat more endearing and more likely for people to be attached to him. Cough.
Personification and humanization are a thing, and names are part of that.
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Nathanael Greene has made a woman of Bryce Pax!

Valerie Sinnet says, "Nathaniel Greene charged the brig with a fucking HONK."

[Common] Assists-the-Crew hisses, "Walker Quinn s-s-s-ss-stole the HoP's-s-s-ss-s door"

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Linus Johnson says, "Hey you know I got this game Skyrim last week"
Linus Johnson says, "I have a level 19 ranger and its so fun"
Weston Zadovsky says, "did he just"
Weston Zadovsky says, "fucking hell"

The emergency shuttle has been called. It will arrive in 10 minutes.
Nature of emergency:
Coravin, just Coravin.

Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Fucking get out."
Coravin Vattes asks, "Please?"
Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Please get the fuck outta my lab."
Coravin Vattes exclaims, "Okay!"
[Common] Beryl Nyuphoran {RD} asks, "WHO GAVE CORAVIN ALL ACCESS?"

Lindsay Donk stammers, "L-Luc-ck w-was-s-s s-s-such-h a beaut-tifu p-p-p-pr-r-rom-m q-q-q-queen"

Ty Andrews curls up in a ball on the floor and purrs.

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby cedarbridge » Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:49 pm #25058

Cipher3 wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
Cipher3 wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
Cipher3 wrote:
Kelenius wrote:Wizards are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
Nuke ops are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
Captains are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.
AIs are too powerful, they shouldn't choose their names.

Three of those are humans, two of those are antags, one is just a crewmember with all access, and the last one.... eh, could do without a name, though in traditional sci fi (and don't imply SS13 has no relation to sci fi stories) the system artificial intelligence does have a distinct name - it's a pretty big player in the plot.

And there have been numerous robbits/borgs in scifi that had non-generic names too. I mean, if that's where the goalposts are now, borgs should get their names.

I'm sorry, the first ones I think of are C3PO and R2-D2.

The more human they're designed to seem, the more likely they are to have a human name. But borgs aren't supposed to be human.

Having a name doesn't make you human. No more than Ian or Poly are human.

Right. But attaching a name to Ian makes him somewhat more endearing and more likely for people to be attached to him. Cough.
Personification and humanization are a thing, and names are part of that.

Brains in jars are still human brains in jars. It doesn't make the borgs human, but it does mean they are a bit above an automaton. Might be why we call them cyborgs instead of robots.

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Cipher3 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:17 am #25064

Please don't go there. Arguing that there's a human brain in there is a straw. Much rather you argue that there's a legitimate player, and I'm iffy on that one.
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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Incomptinence » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:03 am #25076

CYBORG = PART ORGANIC.
They are made with brains and when they explode the brains come back out.

If they were called robots and made from pais (which name themselves btw) I would agree but forgetting they are more akin to darth vader than r2d2 is hnnng.

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby cedarbridge » Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:41 am #25107

Cipher3 wrote:Please don't go there. Arguing that there's a human brain in there is a straw. Much rather you argue that there's a legitimate player, and I'm iffy on that one.

Except there's no straws there. The fact that you think that cyborgs are "iffy" in the context of being "legitimate players" makes me wonder exactly what you think this game is supposed to be in the first place.

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Steelpoint » Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:47 am #25108

cedarbridge wrote:Except there's no straws there. The fact that you think that cyborgs are "iffy" in the context of being "legitimate players" makes me wonder exactly what you think this game is supposed to be in the first place.


A "paranoia-laden roleplaying game" according to the /tg/ homepage.

With roleplaying meaning you act and speak as a character your portraying, and adhering to a set standard. I would like to imagine there is a set standard in Cyborg name selection.

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A suggestion I have that can satisfy both sides.

A Cyborgs name has both, the serial and the custom name, in the title. So a random Cyborg could be called Standard Cyborg-1138(AmusingPun).
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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Miauw » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:26 pm #25127

Scott wrote:What if I want to name myself with a cyborgy name instead of being called poop by the roboticist? Is that humanizing cyborgs? Is poop a better cyborg name?

yes :V
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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby cedarbridge » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:10 pm #25154

Scott wrote:What if I want to name myself with a cyborgy name instead of being called poop by the roboticist? Is that humanizing cyborgs? Is poop a better cyborg name?


Apparently its better for you to have a retarded name than a sensible one because "muh rp." The irony still kills me.

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Cipher3 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:10 pm #25168

cedarbridge wrote:
Cipher3 wrote:Please don't go there. Arguing that there's a human brain in there is a straw. Much rather you argue that there's a legitimate player, and I'm iffy on that one.

Except there's no straws there. The fact that you think that cyborgs are "iffy" in the context of being "legitimate players" makes me wonder exactly what you think this game is supposed to be in the first place.

Firstly, you combined two separate statements. Secondly, my wording was clearly flawed and I apologize.

By this:
Cipher3 wrote:Much rather you argue that there's a legitimate player, and I'm iffy on that one.
I refer to the argument that "since cyborgs are played by people they clearly deserve extensive naming rights, etc etc. Basically the argument FOR this poll to pass. I do not refer to 'iffiness' on whether or not cyborgs are players (I've had a time when I mained cyborg) but rather on the legitimacy of the argument vs a needy emotional appeal.

However, it is clearly a straw to argue that there's a human brain in a silicon since literally nothing in the game sans the actual method for cyborg creation acknowledges it. They're officially nonhuman servants of humans.

So perhaps we could simply apply a rule that Roboticists aren't to give borgs crass names, and borgs aren't to give themselves crass names. Sort of exactly like the naming policy we technically have for humans, but never enforce.
Spoiler:
Nathanael Greene begins to reshape Bryce Pax's genitals to look more feminine.
Nathanael Greene has made a woman of Bryce Pax!

Valerie Sinnet says, "Nathaniel Greene charged the brig with a fucking HONK."

[Common] Assists-the-Crew hisses, "Walker Quinn s-s-s-ss-stole the HoP's-s-s-ss-s door"

OOC: HotelBravoLima: I literally can't be removed from power.

This line gets me every time:
I demand this ban be lifted right now. ~Bibliodewangus

What you hear walking past people:
Erin Wake whispers, "You should ready up on Badger and boink with me..."

"I think you guys are just tired of drinking hitler and now you want diet hitler.
I've got all that great hitler flavor but only half the hitler calories." - Anon3

You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that PR matters. ~MisterPerson

DEAD: Ichigo Momomiya says, "Coravin's just an ass."

Linus Johnson says, "Hey you know I got this game Skyrim last week"
Linus Johnson says, "I have a level 19 ranger and its so fun"
Weston Zadovsky says, "did he just"
Weston Zadovsky says, "fucking hell"

The emergency shuttle has been called. It will arrive in 10 minutes.
Nature of emergency:
Coravin, just Coravin.

Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Fucking get out."
Coravin Vattes asks, "Please?"
Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Please get the fuck outta my lab."
Coravin Vattes exclaims, "Okay!"
[Common] Beryl Nyuphoran {RD} asks, "WHO GAVE CORAVIN ALL ACCESS?"

Lindsay Donk stammers, "L-Luc-ck w-was-s-s s-s-such-h a beaut-tifu p-p-p-pr-r-rom-m q-q-q-queen"

Ty Andrews curls up in a ball on the floor and purrs.

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Incomptinence » Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:12 am #25224

Well there is also cyborg destruction/deconstruction and being called bloody cyborgs. Why else would they be called cyborgs, did the newbie roboticist chuck a human leg in there to cure some manham? This thread isn't about treating them as human, it is about an archaic coding oddity most no longer want.

You might as well argue a completed puzzle has little evidence it contains puzzle pieces except its creation, this is getting really obtuse.

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Re: Borgs and names...

Postby Apsis » Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:54 pm #25263

I don't see a problem with borgs being able to name themselves. In Star Wars the droids are usually just numbers and letters, but they form names appropriate for the characterization given. It's pretty much their culture. Anyway, I don't wanna use that word, but you guys are being it right now.

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