Hand of God Re-resurgence.

pidey · Post by **pidey** » Thu May 18, 2017 6:50 pm #295614

Hello, this is Lordpidey, author of everyone's favorite gamemode, devil.

And I'm here to say that I want to work on re-making Hand of God. It has potential, but fell short in practice.

So, before I even write code, I'd like to give my vision for the gamemode, and have some feedback.

NOT A CONVERSION MODE. COMPLETELY NEW PROPOSED MECHANICS.

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In the start of the round, two or more (That's right, no longer limited to 2) players will be rolled up as deities. The deities with a unique random name. And will each have a unique, distinct color.

Each deity will start with four (Number subject to change) followers, who will start with no special powers other than a mutual antag hud.

Each deity selects a home nexus location, with yet to be determined restrictions on locations. And then the deity selects two "realms" for his "portfolio". Each realm may only be selected by one deity. The deity and his believers all gain new abilities for each realm in the deity's portfolio.

Each realm has:

* Two structures.
* One vestment power.
* One ritual.

Powers available to all deities:
-Guidance, Free: Audible message from a nexus or altar.
-Decree, 20s cool-down: Send message to all believers, regardless of location or status. (Even unconscious believers receive the message.)
-Place building, Free: Place down an incomplete structure. Cannot be used if there is an incomplete structure currently down. May be additional restrictions based on the structure.
-Divine ear, Passive: You hear ALL speech that has your name.

Structures available to all:
-Nexus: you only get one of these. If it gets destroyed, the deity dies, leaves behind indestructible remains.
-Altar: Performs all of the same things a nexus does, but can be built, but with no effects upon destruction. Must be within line of sight of an altar or nexus to construct, however, they cannot be placed too close to a nexus or altar. (No blobbing them together)
-Diablerie zone: Can only be constructed when surrounded by four altars. When placed upon a nexus, or nexus remains, kills the deity, and allows the builder to gain one realm from the target's portfolio.
-Summon Garb: Cooldown 30s, poofs a set of appropriate cult robes above one of your altars/nexuses.

Rituals:
-These are a series of actions used to either build or refresh a structure. Simply perform the ritual around a structure, and it will be constructed., or have it's cooldowns reduced (if appropriate). If the structure is a realm structure, you must use the realm ritual. If it's a universal structure, any ritual within domain will work.

vestment powers:
-An ability that is tied to your cult robe/hat. Any follower wearing your garb can use these abilities.

Realms:

Gluttony
-Structures
--Golden Arch: Automatically converts fatness into healing for nearby followers, and makes non-followers more hungry. Must be within line of sight of an altar or nexus to construct.
--Emporium of meat: Infuses all nearby food with a reagent that prevents stuns for followers, and is poisonous to all non-followers. Must be within line of sight of an altar or nexus to construct.
-vestment power:
--Bile: As per the xeno acid power, except it sets hunger to max, and can only be used while well fed.
-Ritual:
--Fully consume an organ (internal or external)

Electricity
-Structures
--Lightning Rod: Randomly hits non-followers with a tazer bolt. Must be within line of sight of an altar or nexus to construct.
--Flesh to signal converter: Allows one follower to ventcrawl, but utilizing power lines instead. Lasts 10 seconds. Must be within line of sight of an altar or nexus to construct.
-vestment power:
--Flow control: While standing on a power cable, throw a tazer bolt.
-Ritual:
--Bring a powered cable to the structure, and feed it X amount of power.

War
-Structures
--Armory: Generates a sword and shield every 5 minutes. Must be within line of sight of an altar or nexus to construct.
--Barracks: Fully heals any follower that lies on it for 30 seconds.
-vestment power:
--Armored: Garb now provides armor.
-Ritual:
--Place a corpse upon the structure, which is then gibbed. (Corpse can be a follower, but usually isn't.)

Travel
-Structures
--Teleport Spire: Basically the same thing as a teleport rune. Must be within line of sight of an altar or nexus to construct.
--Remote altar: Acts as an altar, except it does NOT need to be within line of sight to construct.
-Vestment power:
--Freedom of movement: 60s cooldown, for 10s be immune to slow/stun/knockdown.
-Ritual:
--Travel from structure, to nexus, back to structure.

I will think of more realms later. I am open to suggestions.

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Crew powers:

Holy water will deconvert, just like blood/clock cult. Mindshields prevent conversion.

The chaplain will have some way of determining the names of active deities. (I'm up for suggestions.)

The librarian can lookup a deity's name, and find out what it's portfolio is.

InsaneHyena · Post by **InsaneHyena** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:15 pm #295631

>Hi, guys, how do you feel about another god-based conversion mode?
One is enough.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:17 pm #295633

think of this as populus the gamemode

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:18 pm #295634

InsaneHyena wrote:gods no

danno · Post by **danno** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:18 pm #295635

people don't listen to you with large text any more than they do with normal text
you autistic fucking idiot

Post by **Armhulen** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:20 pm #295636

To be fair, Hand of God is really really cool

ShadowDimentio · Thu May 18, 2017 7:32 pm

Armhulen wrote:To be fair, Hand of God is really really cool

I literally never saw it actually working, the mode was completely broken.

Post by **Armhulen** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:33 pm #295641

ShadowDimentio wrote:
Armhulen wrote:To be fair, Hand of God is really really cool
I literally never saw it actually working, the mode was completely broken.

I saw it working once maybe twice and holy shit is it cool when it's working

There's like a base with a bunch of people wearing comical hats like YES

onleavedontatme · Thu May 18, 2017 7:34 pm

You have to remove one of the following if you want to add another conversion mode

Rev

Gang

Clock Cult

Cult

Post by **Armhulen** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:35 pm #295643

Kor wrote:You have to remove one of the following if you want to add another conversion mode

Rev

Gang

Clock Cult

Cult

Post by **Armhulen** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:35 pm #295644

gee what a hard choice

InsaneHyena · Post by **InsaneHyena** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:35 pm #295645

Clock Cult

Let's do this.

pidey · Post by **pidey** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:35 pm #295647

Armhulen wrote:
ShadowDimentio wrote:
Armhulen wrote:To be fair, Hand of God is really really cool
I literally never saw it actually working, the mode was completely broken.
I saw it working once maybe twice and holy shit is it cool when it's working

There's like a base with a bunch of people wearing comical hats like YES

Well, with my proposed changes, there won't be as much of a themeatic appearance. Perhaps if I tied the follower abilities to equipment, rather than membership, it would be more distinctive like that.

The changes I made, with portfolios/realms is to help make it so that cults aren't the same.

Post by **Armhulen** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:37 pm #295649

PLEASE MAKE FOLLOWERS HAVE TO WEAR SILLY HATS AND FUNNY MASKS. IT'S A CULT NOT THE LIBRARIAN'S BOOKCLUB.

pidey · Post by **pidey** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:38 pm #295651

Okay. Perhaps I will tie follower abilities to hats, and you can switch which ability at the nexus?

Post by **Armhulen** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:39 pm #295652

the deity should be able to bless tiles to have special effects the followers get when they stand on them

and the deity gets to choose how the tile looks

and, in general, the deity should be able to grant abilitys less in a loadout as you described but build it in their own playstyle, maybe grab healing perks one time but others maybe bless the hats with lighting bolts or something like that.

Spoiler:

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:40 pm #295654

theme hand of god as cuck cult vs blyat cult
remove cuck cult and blyat cult as independent modes
everybody's happy

InsaneHyena · Post by **InsaneHyena** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:42 pm #295656

>Cult now shares gamemode with cuck cult
No one is going to be happy.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:44 pm #295661

InsaneHyena wrote:>Cult now shares gamemode with cuck cult
No one is going to be happy.

I will be, and I will be laughing like a maniac.

Post by **Armhulen** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:45 pm #295662

DemonFiren wrote:
InsaneHyena wrote:>Cult now shares gamemode with cuck cult
No one is going to be happy.
I will be, and I will be laughing like a maniac.

you stand alone lizard

go back to the jungle

lzimann · Post by **lzimann** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:53 pm #295674

No more conversion gamemodes.

Post by **Armhulen** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:54 pm #295675

why is this conversion anyways why don't we just have a set amount of followers at roundstart

Post by **Armhulen** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:54 pm #295676

My idea just saved you from two weary site admins

pidey · Post by **pidey** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:56 pm #295680

Hmm, removing conversion entirely could work. It might be fun.

Post by **Armhulen** » Thu May 18, 2017 7:56 pm #295681

Instead of kidnapping people they'd have to steal rare artifacts to please~~~~~~~~~~ their god

captain sawrge · Thu May 18, 2017 7:59 pm

im retarded?

Post by **Armhulen** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:00 pm #295690

captain sawrge wrote:posting itt for posterity when op ignores kor's warning and has a meltdown when his pr gets denied in a month

pidey wrote:Hmm, removing conversion entirely could work. It might be fun.

fie fi fo fum

i smell captain sawrge scum

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:00 pm #295691

iamgoofball wrote:goofposting

danno wrote:people don't listen to you with large text any more than they do with normal text

seriously

doing this just makes people think you're annoying

also

lzimann wrote:No more conversion gamemodes.

fuck, please, listen to the people telling you not to do a conversion gamemode

Post by **Armhulen** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:01 pm #295694

Qbopper wrote:
lzimann wrote:No more conversion gamemodes.
fuck, please, listen to the people telling you not to do a conversion gamemode

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

pidey wrote:Hmm, removing conversion entirely could work. It might be fun.

pidey · Post by **pidey** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:07 pm #295699

Yeah, I've decided, it won't be a conversion mode, EXCEPT one realm will allow a deity to convert, but only if they're down followers.

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Thu May 18, 2017 10:57 pm #295864

Armhulen wrote:
Qbopper wrote:
lzimann wrote:No more conversion gamemodes.
fuck, please, listen to the people telling you not to do a conversion gamemode
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE
pidey wrote:Hmm, removing conversion entirely could work. It might be fun.

I can read, why do you think I said

fuck, please, listen to the people telling you not to do a conversion gamemode

I hadn't seen the OP be edited to say that is was no longer being pitched as a conversion mode, "hmm good idea" is pretty noncommittal and I was showing my support

BeeSting12 · Post by **BeeSting12** » Thu May 18, 2017 11:00 pm #295873

HoG was shit, saying this from experience. It'd take a ton of work to make it halfway decent, but you don't have that high of a bar to make it better than clock cult either way.

onleavedontatme · Thu May 18, 2017 11:31 pm

Guess I should have written "team death match mode in which security inevitably genocides the crew unless they red alert at 22 minutes and leave" instead of "conversion mode" in my ultimatum

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Thu May 18, 2017 11:35 pm #295924

Swap it with clock cult

Post by **Armhulen** » Fri May 19, 2017 12:04 am #295961

Kor wrote:Guess I should have written "team death match mode in which security inevitably genocides the crew unless they red alert at 22 minutes and leave" instead of "conversion mode" in my ultimatum

change this or i close it later on

ok

no no, you're supposed to drop the entire idea because i don't like it, not change it goyim

Post by **oranges** » Fri May 19, 2017 1:10 am #296040

don't bother starting

pidey · Post by **pidey** » Fri May 19, 2017 1:26 am #296045

Okay, I'll trust your judgement Oranges.

TheColdTurtle · Fri May 19, 2017 1:28 am

Dont trust the fruit!

pidey · Post by **pidey** » Fri May 19, 2017 1:39 am #296049

He has magical maintainer powers. Mere mortals cannot comprehend the ways of the spherical citrus. We must all bend knee to his will!

Post by **oranges** » Fri May 19, 2017 1:51 am #296051

TheColdTurtle wrote:Dont trust the fruit!

with all the mad over clockcult and gang changes it's not worth it right now bro

TheColdTurtle · Fri May 19, 2017 1:58 am

Oranges wrote:
TheColdTurtle wrote:Dont trust the fruit!
with all the mad over clockcult and gang changes it's not worth it right now bro

I know, I just had a soft spot for HoG. Maybe one day it will get created and polished, after gang is removed.

Post by **Armhulen** » Fri May 19, 2017 5:14 am #296144

TheColdTurtle wrote:
Oranges wrote:
TheColdTurtle wrote:Dont trust the fruit!
with all the mad over clockcult and gang changes it's not worth it right now bro
I know, I just had a soft spot for HoG. Maybe one day it will get created and polished, after gang is removed.

my man

Oldman Robustin · Mon May 22, 2017 4:55 am

Hand of God was easily the least redeemable and most poorly thought out mode that we've had, though its not reassuring that the creator here made another contender for that category.

I'm not Clock Cult's biggest cheerleader but it gets the HoG mechanics down better than HoG ever did, albeit it lacks the antag v. antag aspect. I've ranted about it before but there was just so much shittiness to HOG I can't fathom why people would want it to return - if I had to write a guide on how to not design a conversion mode I would just hand them the PR for HOG and say "dont do any of this shit".

Also I'm taking up Gang's banner (2 major PR's for it just got added this evening) and I'm reallllly confident its going to be good after a few more changes. Its almost guaranteed that we're at least going to trial removing security from Gang War the only hold up is I'm having to design a new role that will help fill the void created by security (I'm calling it the Vigilante). With sec gone and so much changes, it's barely fair to even pretend Gang War is the same mode it used to be and will break the typical conversion archetype.

ShadowDimentio · Mon May 22, 2017 6:31 am

Clockcuck is pretty bad but at fucking least the mode had basic functionality such as picking people to be the antagonists when it was merged.

I shit you not when HoG got testmerged it only rolled for people to play the gods, no prophets. You got to place a pylon and then do absolutely nothing because you had no followers. Adminbus was no help either 'cause they had no idea how to turn someone into one.

But yeah guys we totally need more of this we should bring it back