Antagonists don't get pacifism or clumsiness

[Armhulen]

I disagree with it for the same reasons I feel clowns shouldn't get cured of their clumsy-ness when made a traitor. When you select a job, or a trait, like clown, mime, pacifism, etc, you're accepting the consequences of the role. I'd much prefer a traitor story of a clown working around his clumsiness to kill a target and the fix for all of these are simple. For clowns, just revoke the clumsiness. If you get it as a normal antag then you gotta play smarter to not kill yourself like an idiot and conversion antags might be annoyed you can't help out as much but it's their choice on who they are converting. As for pacifism, just replace murder objectives with making sure they don't escape alive, or just no murder objectives at all but it seems a bit boring to do that.

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[Bluespace]

can't wait to see a pacifist nuke op

[Nabski]

Losing negative traits but keeping positive ones seems imbalanced.

[Armhulen]

Also, just from a balance standpoint, two free trait points is kinda crazy. There's also something stopping shadowpeople and nightmares from being prone to the trait but the race itself is a big joke and 9/10 times you're forced into that role, i kind of sympathize with it a bit more even though it might be seen as a free trait point. I dunno!

can't wait to see a pacifist nuke op

We can remove all traits positive and negative for team antags spawned seperately like nuke ops, they have their own problem when one person on the team is a memer and he picks: brain tumor nyctophobia depression poor aim, fucking over the team. WHICH IS HILARIOUS but is also kind of a problem

[Armhulen]

Losing negative traits but keeping positive ones seems imbalanced.

It's also a free antagonist tell if you check someone and they only have positive traits but I really doubt people would do this

[Armhulen]

Offer more TCs if they'll accept their original disabilities?

"guys i got us like 150 more tcs but i have poor aim, a brain tumor that is slowly killing me so my bomb implant will randomly go off once i instantly die, i can't actually use any guns because of pacifism, and i'm suffering from insanity.

is it worth the salt? probably not

[somerandomguy]

Offer more TCs if they'll accept their original disabilities?

"guys i got us like 150 more tcs but i have poor aim, a brain tumor that is slowly killing me so my bomb implant will randomly go off once i instantly die, i can't actually use any guns because of pacifism, and i'm suffering from insanity.

is it worth the salt? probably not

150tc is enough to get a reinforcement and gear them up a ton

[Armhulen]

Offer more TCs if they'll accept their original disabilities?

"guys i got us like 150 more tcs but i have poor aim, a brain tumor that is slowly killing me so my bomb implant will randomly go off once i instantly die, i can't actually use any guns because of pacifism, and i'm suffering from insanity.

is it worth the salt? probably not

150tc is enough to get a reinforcement and gear them up a ton

If you declare war one of your ops dies and explodes in the base before you can go stationwide

[somerandomguy]

Offer more TCs if they'll accept their original disabilities?

"guys i got us like 150 more tcs but i have poor aim, a brain tumor that is slowly killing me so my bomb implant will randomly go off once i instantly die, i can't actually use any guns because of pacifism, and i'm suffering from insanity.

is it worth the salt? probably not

150tc is enough to get a reinforcement and gear them up a ton

If you declare war one of your ops dies and explodes in the base before you can go stationwide

You can do brain surgery on the ship, also if they're prepared and away from important stuff it won't be too big an issue. (You can also remove their implant but that risks the crew getting their guns)

[iksyp]

tbh if we're going to do pacifist antagonists (which i totally agree with) we need to give antagonists pacifistic options first
and it would conflict with assassination objectives
edit: i can't read

[Armhulen]

We already have the syndicate body bag why not just do kidnapping objectives and more stealing objectives

[Saegrimr]

The positive traits really aren't that strong to begin with, like the most powerful one being the quick locker hide I guess.

[DemonFiren]

only if you also automatically yell FRAG OUT every time you throw a minibomb
or I NEED A MEDIC once you drop below 50 health

[Armhulen]

only if you also automatically yell FRAG OUT every time you throw a minibomb
or I NEED A MEDIC once you drop below 50 health

Negative trait I'M RELOADING, COVER ME I'M RELOADING or for tacticool reloading, SWAPPING MAGS, for all nuke ops when?

okay gimmie a sec i'll do it

[captain sawrge]

all this does is remove interesting scenarios from the game antags shouldnt be randomly exempt from it

[Armhulen]

all this does is remove interesting scenarios from the game antags shouldnt be randomly exempt from it

this but for the clown's clumsiness too

[Armhulen]

clumsiness up
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/37508

[Qbopper]

It's also a free antagonist tell if you check someone and they only have positive traits but I really doubt people would do this

you should know better

[Armhulen]

It's also a free antagonist tell if you check someone and they only have positive traits but I really doubt people would do this

you should know better

well, it's in game right now miming private eye get to it