Super Matter Generator
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Super Matter Generator
Those of you who follow Github may have noticed that recently the Super Matter Generator (SM Gen) from VG/Baystation was ported to our codebase. I was asked to map out the SM Generator for Boxstation.
Thus here we are, this is a very early first iteration of the SM Generator, and is heavily inspired by Baystation's design (VG's is crap).
For some reading tips, here is Baystation's wiki article on the SM Generator: http://wiki.baystation12.net/index.php/ ... ter_Engine
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The basic idea is that you shoot stuff into the Super Matter cystal (in this case emmiters, though assistants work) and that produces Radiation and Plasma. The radiation is absorbed by the Radiation collectors and feed into the station's power supply, the leftover cooled oxygen and plasma is vented out of the chamber.
However if the generator overheats it can meltdown, meaning you have to keep pumping in cooled gas in the form of oxygen.
If things go horrible wrong, you can eject the SM crystal before it blows up.
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Here is how the SM Gen stands.
I intend to move the SMES cell room northward and place the SM Gen room there.
Any feedback is appreciated, thank you.
Thus here we are, this is a very early first iteration of the SM Generator, and is heavily inspired by Baystation's design (VG's is crap).
For some reading tips, here is Baystation's wiki article on the SM Generator: http://wiki.baystation12.net/index.php/ ... ter_Engine
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The basic idea is that you shoot stuff into the Super Matter cystal (in this case emmiters, though assistants work) and that produces Radiation and Plasma. The radiation is absorbed by the Radiation collectors and feed into the station's power supply, the leftover cooled oxygen and plasma is vented out of the chamber.
However if the generator overheats it can meltdown, meaning you have to keep pumping in cooled gas in the form of oxygen.
If things go horrible wrong, you can eject the SM crystal before it blows up.
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Here is how the SM Gen stands.
I intend to move the SMES cell room northward and place the SM Gen room there.
Any feedback is appreciated, thank you.
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Re: Super Matter Generator
Its about time we get another power source. I'm tired of rounds ending because LEL SINGULARITY LOOSE and with slow space no one wants to wire the solars.
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For the moment the SM Generator is being placed alongside the Singularity. However I should note that the SM Generator is more than capable of powering the station by itself.
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Doesn't this generate as much power as a singulo?
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From what people have told me it can generate more power than the singularity.
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I was hoping we'd get some version of the Goon thermoelectric generator, but this is good too. I like supermatter--it requires some actual maintenance and tweaking, it can still blow everything to hell, but there's more advance warning before it does and at least some chance to recover after.mrpain wrote:Its about time we get another power source. I'm tired of rounds ending because LEL SINGULARITY LOOSE and with slow space no one wants to wire the solars.
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I don't think this is actually the caserockpecker wrote:it can still blow everything to hell
In fact I think the SMG we ported is a harmless singulo that's much better than the singulo in every way.
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Can't wait for the ahelps to come in of "i touched the supermatter respawn pls"
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Re: Super Matter Generator
Its probably best to more focus on space cooled gas than freezers there is a pr waiting that balances them but needs testing.
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I'm not full bottled on the finer points of the SM Generator, hence why I set up this thread early in order to garner feedback and the like.
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From what I can see at a glance, this requires manual shuffling of canisters? One connector is for chilled oxygen canister, going into the chamber, but what is the purpose of the connector port next to it?
Also the whole setup is fucking wide (or in the latest one, tall) as shit. You could make it way more compact if you had the two side rooms roughly where those engineering doors are, but eh.
Also maybe it's intentionally not so optimal, but looking at it, ideally you'd just have have the excess plasma generated fed directly into the waste loop (Where else does the corporation get all the plasma gas that's in atmos?). Also the input oxygen could be filtered direct from distro, with a largish heatpipe setup in space to rapidly cool it before going into the chamber.
And in terms of balance, having it as good as/better then the singulo making the singulo pretty redundant. It's this ultimate station rape machine, compared to an engine that at worst will make a piddly explosion that will just keep a couple of engineers occupied for a bit.
Also the whole setup is fucking wide (or in the latest one, tall) as shit. You could make it way more compact if you had the two side rooms roughly where those engineering doors are, but eh.
Also maybe it's intentionally not so optimal, but looking at it, ideally you'd just have have the excess plasma generated fed directly into the waste loop (Where else does the corporation get all the plasma gas that's in atmos?). Also the input oxygen could be filtered direct from distro, with a largish heatpipe setup in space to rapidly cool it before going into the chamber.
And in terms of balance, having it as good as/better then the singulo making the singulo pretty redundant. It's this ultimate station rape machine, compared to an engine that at worst will make a piddly explosion that will just keep a couple of engineers occupied for a bit.
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Supermatter Cascade event caused by colossal fuckups when?
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Never, we don't have the cascade, it wasn't ported.RogerWilco wrote:Supermatter Cascade event caused by colossal fuckups when?
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I'm for the plasma feeding directly into atmos... That way a savvy atmos tech can sabotage the pipes and force the engine to fail. Just turn off the first filtering and eventually BOOM.
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Can't speak for the supermatter, as I have 0 experiance with it, but there was a TEG on ministation when we still had that as a thing, and I have to say that the TEG is shit and worthless. Could barely power ministation, and only for a short while, and requires constant maintenance and refeuling to be useful.
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TEG was a pain in the ass but I enjoyed it. Not much else for engineers to do on ministation except ER- uh, Er...adi..cate hull breaches.
My experience on the Supermatter Engine on /vg/ has been Atmos cold loop dickery outside the room to perpetually feed into the thing, but since this looks like its going on the SMES side of engineering then that might be out of the question.
My experience on the Supermatter Engine on /vg/ has been Atmos cold loop dickery outside the room to perpetually feed into the thing, but since this looks like its going on the SMES side of engineering then that might be out of the question.
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INB4 Sing combining with Super Matter for amazing results.
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What happens if a singularity touches the supermatter crystal?
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IIRC I think it make the sing go nanners or something.
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For most intents and purposes the SM Generator I've created is functional, we are just ironing out the kinks since on the prior iteration the generator would always overheat within five minutes of operation, but also give out insane levels of power (From 5 to 8 million).
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Yes, you'll have to balance it. We're currently in the (very slow) process of aligning the engines and unifying their output/risk-reward/etc.Steelpoint wrote:[...]give out insane levels of power (From 5 to 8 million).
Also good to see another mapper who cares about elegance in atmos/engie. Our designs on /vg/ are mainly functional, but ugly.
Recommendations:
- Maybe remove the auto ejector for extra danger
- One unary vent may not be strong enough
- One canister of gas for each loop is a little low
- Try not to cross pipes
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I have a feeling that only one scrubber is not enough to keep venting the chamber. Also the gas filters are extreamly wonky and hard to set up correctly so I have to funk around with them.
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What's the point of having multiple engines if they all:
a) Produce practically infinite amounts of power unless sabotaged (or someone fucks up)
b) Go boom if sabotaged (or someone fucks up)
Power management isn't really a thing. There either is power or no power (with a very rare case where solars are up, but aren't up enough to power everything). So all this is just cosmetics, really.
a) Produce practically infinite amounts of power unless sabotaged (or someone fucks up)
b) Go boom if sabotaged (or someone fucks up)
Power management isn't really a thing. There either is power or no power (with a very rare case where solars are up, but aren't up enough to power everything). So all this is just cosmetics, really.
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VarietyLo6a4evskiy wrote:What's the point of having multiple engines if they all [serve the same purpose]
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If this shit just explodes then please make it more deadly in the event of a fuckup, or at least make it require R&D, or maybe so much maintenance that the whole engineering department has to watch over it, because why have a safe power source. We already have a TEG and a bunch of solars.
Or I don't know, add it as an objective? Steal the supermatter or whatever.
Or I don't know, add it as an objective? Steal the supermatter or whatever.
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Can we get a clear answer on the meltdown thing? I think a radiation based catastrophe of some kind would be really cool, and there needs to be some risk involved or else it is just singu plus
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You get a bunch of rads, a bunch of hallucinations and a big boom.Wyzack wrote:Can we get a clear answer on the meltdown thing? I think a radiation based catastrophe of some kind would be really cool, and there needs to be some risk involved or else it is just singu plus
that's what you get.
Also if you know or not, touching the supermatter kills you instantly, you turn to ash, So don't do it.
This includes being pushed into it by air pressure and such.
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Does the radiation bathe the whole station? Just the area near engineering? Is maintenance better shielded? Also is assstation gonna get one? We really need alternate power, our singularity is too fucking deadly and we have no alternative.
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Maintenance isn't better shielded against radiation, that's only true for the station wide radiation event.Wyzack wrote:Does the radiation bathe the whole station? Just the area near engineering? Is maintenance better shielded? Also is assstation gonna get one? We really need alternate power, our singularity is too fucking deadly and we have no alternative.
The range of the radiation is determined by this:
range(src, round((power / 100) ** 0.25))
power is a value worked out from the energy the crystal has received (from emitter shots, people, gases) the amount degrades over time if you don't feed it.
Besides this, I really couldn't tell you any more, but looking at it, power is not capped so if you goal was to use this as a big bomb, then go for it, the more you sabotage it the wider range it'll fuck up the station.
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I don't know how exactly it was ported, but on other servers:Wyzack wrote:Does the radiation bathe the whole station? Just the area near engineering? Is maintenance better shielded? Also is assstation gonna get one? We really need alternate power, our singularity is too fucking deadly and we have no alternative.
- There is no shielding, except possibly from radsuits / engineering hardsuits. Usually the entire station is hit.
- It's not the "radiation storm" event. The radiation will not kill you.
- It causes some toxic damage.
- It will also give everyone hallucinations. These will continue until you neutralize it with antitoxin. (For some reason not hyronalin/arithrazine, even though that would make more sense--Remie, did you fix that?
- The explosion itself is usually limited to the reactor room. I've seen a sharp engineering crew actually order a new core and get the reactor working again after that, though it wasn't pretty.
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Are there any plans on making the meltdown have more severe consequences? Or are we trying to replace the singularity entirely? Hallucinations and small tox damage for all is nothing compared to the wrath of lord singuloth, and if the SM engine can do just as much power, the singularity engine is a completely unnecessary and outrageous risk
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Honestly the mass hallucinations and radiation sounds a lot like a blowout in the Zone in STALKER. It should also create anomalies across the station, and if anyone dies from the radiation, they get turned into hideous monsters.
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I've been playing with it a lot today and it's so much fun.
Favorite use so far is putting it on a rogue mule as antag.
Favorite use so far is putting it on a rogue mule as antag.
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If it explodes it should cause bluespace artillery strike like effects to explode randomly around the station rather than just takign out the engineering bay its in. Its essentially a safer singulo as far as I can tell. I mean the only risk is explosion tox damage and hallucinations?
I mean if its as easy to setup as singulo or easier why not use it?
I mean if its as easy to setup as singulo or easier why not use it?
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The main drawback to the SM Generator is that it would require constant maintenance to maintain it. Currently it will rapidly overheat even under the most ideal of circumstances, not to mention setting it up is extraordinarily dangerous as a wrong move will see your body destroyed and unrecoverable.
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The CE built a functioning one of these in a round a while back
Quite a few people sacrificed themselves to it and it moved around a lot probably from gas pressure meaning the emitter never really hit it
The plasma caught on fire once and nothing happened
It seems like nothing can cause it to melt down
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Quite a few people sacrificed themselves to it and it moved around a lot probably from gas pressure meaning the emitter never really hit it
The plasma caught on fire once and nothing happened
It seems like nothing can cause it to melt down
despite all that though I love this feature
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Holy fuck people trying to discover how SM works is the funniest shit
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So many people fucking zapped themselves. I'm not entirely sure all of them were accidental either. I had a feeling this would be comedy gold for about a month.paprika wrote:Holy fuck people trying to discover how SM works is the funniest shit
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What I'm tempted to do is to put the Super Matter crystal in a high security room near the middle of the station, such as near the Gravity Generator.
Either that or in Secure Engineering Storage.
Either that or in Secure Engineering Storage.
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On many servers that use supermatter, it starts in the reactor chamber so that nobody has to touch the damn thing.Steelpoint wrote:What I'm tempted to do is to put the Super Matter crystal in a high security room near the middle of the station, such as near the Gravity Generator.
Either that or in Secure Engineering Storage.
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But that's not fun.
Also I'm still having trouble keeping the Generator room cool, I inject air that is around -200 degrees yet the chamber will easily go up to 500 degrees.
Also I'm still having trouble keeping the Generator room cool, I inject air that is around -200 degrees yet the chamber will easily go up to 500 degrees.
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Your setup isn't efficient, it needs much more intensive cooling, which is why it's getting hot. At some point I'll design a full setup if I can be assed. Just from watching a few people fuck it up on Sibyl, and thinking about it, I have a good idea of what I'll do.
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This is actually hilariously fun, its a brand new feature that very few people understand and everyone wants to play with, causing all sorts of shenanigans.
It would be so much better if the coders wrote it so they didn't actually understand how it worked properly and it had to be figured out.
It would be so much better if the coders wrote it so they didn't actually understand how it worked properly and it had to be figured out.
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Re: Super Matter Generator
I think singulo needs to be removed entirely since it makes no physics sense. The temporal effects of a singularity are tremendous. So much so that every second on the station would be 10 or so years in a place away from any singularities. Not even to mention the fact that a singularity irl would not shrink in size without accelerated particles swung at it. I could go on about how the singulo is a disgrace to science fiction, but instead I'm just gonna say this: Although supermatter would also be cartoonish, it makes a lot more sense than singulo. It makes more sense for the crew to be able to harness supermatter from a dorf star or something, rather than spontaneously cause a cataclysmic space ripping supernova within the confines of a silly little singularity machine shaped like a coil.
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Don't... Please don't.deathhoof wrote:I think singulo needs to be removed entirely since it makes no physics sense.
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A couple of bugs that I discovered that i'm too lazy to make a bug report for
- I built a super matter thingy on centcom and it blew up and radiated the station. It did this on a separate Z-level. I have not tested it, but this might imply that no matter where the super matter crystal is, if it detonates, there is no minimum safe distance.
- It can disintegrate your hallucinations and it is hilarious.
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That's the same as centcomm/head annoucements etc working across the universe.
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I can't test this now but from what I remember hiding in a locker protects you from supermatter hallucinations. So if you see the instability messages, duck into a locker.
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