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DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon Apr 27, 2015 3:00 pm #84330

Bottom post of the previous page:

That's nice to know, but I dare say I am pessimistic about just how easy that is to change with this level of detail.

Not-Dorsidarf · Mon Apr 27, 2015 3:03 pm

Give the bullets 1u of spore toxin each ^_^

Tokiko2 · Post by **Tokiko2** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:11 am #84620

So apparently there's now a mulligan option to instantly end the round if all traitors are dead and it's enabled.

It's really, really bad on lowpop. On Basil there's often only one traitor and you can imagine what happens. Atleast allow it to create more antagonists instead of instantly ending the round.

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:26 am #84622

Tokiko2 wrote:So apparently there's now a mulligan option to instantly end the round if all traitors are dead and it's enabled.

It's really, really bad on lowpop. On Basil there's often only one traitor and you can imagine what happens. Atleast allow it to create more antagonists instead of instantly ending the round.

It shouldn't be ending the round instantly unless MSO didn't update his config file to define the behaviors for continuous and creating more antagonists. I'll get in touch with him ASAP and see if it's his error by way of me or just my fault.

(for future reference, this is a good canadate for the github bug tracker!)

Edit: should be fixed in the round following whichever you're currently playing!

qwert · Post by **qwert** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:51 am #84675

DemonFiren wrote:That's nice to know, but I dare say I am pessimistic about just how easy that is to change with this level of detail.

The team of operatives smoothly goes through the shadows of maint, around the corner they engage some feral savage armed with spears accelerating towards them, this is not, what they expected to encounter on high-tech research faculty. Operation commander tries to gun him down with dragonbreath rounds, but savage emerges from flames unharmed and knocks out the team leader with the first blow of his spear, elite fire support specialist with years of training has panic attack, and the long burst of his maschine gun tears through operatives in front of him. Chief operator desintegrates in pile of gore, the last things operation commander heard was the mad laughter of byond RNG and :,, Sorry guys, I am a bit nervous" from heavy weapons specialist.

Thats, what I had seen, when I was an observer in nuke round, and spear winning against fucking shotgun looks as something wrong.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:58 pm #84687

Sounds like a case for buffing on-fire damage.

Allohsnackbar · Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:14 pm

DemonFiren wrote:Sounds like a case for buffing on-fire damage.

Or just dragonbreath shells in general. Their not just shooting flames at people, but also superhot shrapnel, enough to put someone down

TheNightingale · Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:18 pm

Set the target on fire, do light brute+burn damage, give them some firestacks and inject 1u spore toxin into them?
(Stop, drop and roll! And do it again, and again, and keep doing it!)

Remie Richards · Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:55 pm

should just inject some spore_burning.
that'll mess with them.

I love you my OP currently unused reagent child.

Allohsnackbar · Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:03 pm

Remie Richards wrote:should just inject some spore_burning.
that'll mess with them.

I love you my OP currently unused reagent child.

Would that be blocked by closed/travel mode hardsuits, like syringes?
Plz say yes

qwert · Post by **qwert** » Sun May 03, 2015 8:32 am #85468

Dissonant shriek is sort of win button.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue May 05, 2015 8:19 pm #85948

Please remove morphine smoke from the scrubber backpressure random event. I overdosed the moment I entered the cloud and spent what feels like half the round out cold.

Scones · Post by **Scones** » Tue May 05, 2015 8:54 pm #85955

DemonFiren wrote:Please remove morphine smoke from the scrubber backpressure random event. I overdosed the moment I entered the cloud and spent what feels like half the round out cold.

Yeah there are a lot of chemicals in the rotation, random and sudden flurosulph isn't fun. I'm fairly certain there are some toxins in the mix as well.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue May 05, 2015 9:11 pm #85960

Random polytrinic was annoying, so is random FS, but it's restricted to one scrubber and doesn't melt IDs far as I know.

Of course, if it melts the pinpointer and disk...honk.

Cheimon · Post by **Cheimon** » Mon May 11, 2015 2:18 am #87185

Cryogenics oxygen drains stupid fast when set up for some reason. But you have to set it up in advance of using it, or the oxygen won't cool, making the system useless.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Mon May 11, 2015 2:23 am #87190

Keep your cryo doors closed at all times.
Its a byproduct of fast atmos processing.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Mon May 11, 2015 2:13 pm #87343

Huh, so cryo tubes really do leak after all.

Cheimon · Post by **Cheimon** » Tue May 12, 2015 11:58 pm #87752

Saegrimr wrote:Keep your cryo doors closed at all times.
Its a byproduct of fast atmos processing.

Just checked it, that's not the problem. whether the tube is closed or open, the canister will drain rapidly if it's wrenched in.

This is leading to an annoying pattern of well meaning passers-by wrenching the canisters to the pipes and draining all of cryo's oxygen.

Post by **lumipharon** » Wed May 13, 2015 2:17 am #87769

Why does it do that, and can someone fix it?
It's pretty dumb.

Post by **oranges** » Mon May 18, 2015 7:40 am #88939

lumipharon wrote:Why does it do that, and can someone fix it?
It's pretty dumb.

https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/9552

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Mon May 18, 2015 12:24 pm #89002

During the brig map updates on box the security newcasters no longer exist.

This means I can no longer post wanted issues or keep a blog of photos of the criminal skum.

Falamazeer · Post by **Falamazeer** » Tue May 19, 2015 6:05 am #89284

I got a real problem with the wiring, I've just recently re-figured it out, and it's not impossible, the wire always comes towards you, But why is wiring so unwieldy?
Can a better way be found?

How about if you face east/west it drops both halves of a tiles wire along the east west, Same if you face north/south it then consumes two wire per click, then you can run wire in simple directions quicker and only have to stop and figure something else out when you're splitting, At that point you'd click the wire itself not the tile and it would consume another piece of wire and would split it <, click it again and it moves it into a different formation -C.

Basically Clicking a tile makes the wire go the direction you face, Clicking a wire changes how the wire lays, clicking it more times will cycle through the possibilities until you're back to the way you had it.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Tue May 19, 2015 10:03 am #89309

Really we should make wire coils work like the mech wirer (and actual IRL wirecoils)

Click once to start laying cable, move and cable is laid behind you, click again to stop laying cable.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue May 19, 2015 10:10 am #89310

This might get painful with space wind, though.

Akkryls · Post by **Akkryls** » Tue May 19, 2015 11:20 am #89319

DemonFiren wrote:This might get painful with space wind, though.

Space wind doesn't exist any more I don't think. I haven't had 'YOU SLIPPED' in ages.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Tue May 19, 2015 12:03 pm #89320

Slipping doesn't exist anymore. Actual wind does, and pressure differences can and will push you around unless you boot up.

Not-Dorsidarf · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am

I'm pretty sure the "magboots do nothing" problem wasn't ever fixed.

Remie Richards · Tue May 19, 2015 3:25 pm

I know how to fix the Magboots issue, I won't though, as to do it cleanly requires a new flag or I have to snowflake it on magboots.
and a new flag can't exist because we're over the bit limit for the flag.

Falamazeer · Post by **Falamazeer** » Wed May 20, 2015 6:23 pm #89601

I dunno a good solution for space wiring, but malkevins idea sounds good too, We've had a traitor for more than one round cutting great spans of wire recently and it's just a damn shame that it takes so much longer to fix than to break.

WJohnston · Post by **WJohnston** » Wed May 20, 2015 7:04 pm #89606

Maybe make cutting wires make a fairly quiet snipping sound? If you're withing a few tiles (maybe 3 or 4 radially) you'd be able to hear it. It'd help if it's done close to departments and is being heard, so it can be stopped ahead of time.

Falamazeer · Post by **Falamazeer** » Wed May 20, 2015 10:22 pm #89644

That's not a bad idea at all, but it's still fairly quick...
Maybe a noise and a slowdown like how we have window removal?

I didn't even consider a snip noise, that'd solve half the problem right there.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Thu May 21, 2015 6:43 am #89698

No more delays, construction is tedious enough already

mosquitoman · Post by **mosquitoman** » Thu May 21, 2015 1:08 pm #89731

- it would be cool if the chem dispenser (and possibly the bartender's dispensers as well) had an option to remove a certain ingredient from the container like the machine that makes pills and patches. there is a list of ingredients already, someone could just add a small "transfer to disposals" button next to each ingredient and it would save a lot of time

- chemists could use an item like a cook's tray that'd allow them to move multiple items (like patches, pills, bottles) at once

- "make multiple bottles" option in the machine that creates them would be also very useful

Cheimon · Post by **Cheimon** » Thu May 21, 2015 3:49 pm #89751

It's impossible to efficiently tell if a headslug is dead when you weren't there to kill it. There's no examine text, and even the text that shows up when you kill it (headslug stops moving...) is in red, not black, for some reason. Short of knowing the sprites for a dead one (it's not obvious, at least to me, if they're even slightly different), ie metagaming, it's unnecessarily hard to work out. Players have a habit of beating them up long beyond they're dead as a result.

Hell, the examine text explicitly states that the thing is still alive well into its deadness. "Absolutely not de-beaked or harmless".

Not-Dorsidarf · Thu May 21, 2015 3:57 pm

Beating the shit out of the horrible flesh abomination sounds like intended behaviour to me.

Cheimon · Post by **Cheimon** » Thu May 21, 2015 5:31 pm #89775

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:Beating the shit out of the horrible flesh abomination sounds like intended behaviour to me.

Honestly, it sucks that you have to give it a few beatings to be sure that it isn't alive. This would be like xenos not having a 'dead' sprite and saying "beating the shit out of xenos because you don't know they're dead isn't a bug, it's a feature". After a certain point it should be obvious that it's dead, because everything else in the game behaves that way.

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Thu May 21, 2015 8:26 pm #89798

head slugs flip over when they die, it's just since they're so cylindrical that to a casual observer there's not really anything to latch onto and say "oh it's dead" at a glance

Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:16 pm

The guitar's inhand sprite when facing to the right looks like ass, it's identical to the one when you face left but is displaced in front of you

Tokiko2 · Post by **Tokiko2** » Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:49 am #92840

Apparently you can't become a golem or sentient mob when you suicide/ghost now. Probably not even an alien, blob or ninja either.

I think that's pretty bad. Not being able to enter your own body is fine but why not a new one? When you're left in an MMI or straightjacket somewhere, you can't rejoin the round anymore in any way.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:12 am #92889

Cue every perma prisoner smashing the windows and spacing themselves, making perma useless in the process, instead of biting their tongues

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:50 am #92906

Put a Russian Revolver in Perma, when?

Remie Richards · Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:03 pm

Tokiko2 wrote:Apparently you can't become a golem or sentient mob when you suicide/ghost now. Probably not even an alien, blob or ninja either.

I think that's pretty bad. Not being able to enter your own body is fine but why not a new one? When you're left in an MMI or straightjacket somewhere, you can't rejoin the round anymore in any way.

Golem: Checks that your previous body is dead if you had one.
Sentient Mob: Checks to see you clicked the pop up within 5 seconds, uses get_candidates() which means it checks that you have a client and that your previous body is dead if you had one.
Alien: uses get_candidates()
Blob: get_candidates()
Ninja: get_candidates()
Revenant: get_candidates()
etc. etc.

tl;dr who ever told you that: either had a body that was still alive (crit perhaps, unconsciousness is not checked for, it NEEDS a dead body) or they're spewing bullshit.

onleavedontatme · Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:26 am

DemonFiren wrote:Put a Russian Revolver in Perma, when?

Suicide booth.

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:29 pm #94805

PLasma people should explode when they catch fire.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:53 pm #94853

Kor wrote:
DemonFiren wrote:Put a Russian Revolver in Perma, when?
Suicide booth.

Wasn't there talk of a self-borging machine thrown around ages ago that would automail the brain to Robo (or chef when emagged?)

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:22 am #94980

Yeah, that was one of my ideas

I think I called it the Redemption Machine

hanshansenhansson · Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:42 pm

Does anyone really enjoy that mulligan stuff? Usually, you get 20mins of blob/wizzard and shuttle was not able to be called, then another 50mins of boredom in a half destroyed station.

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:52 pm #98016

hanshansenhansson wrote:Does anyone really enjoy that mulligan stuff? Usually, you get 20mins of blob/wizzard and shuttle was not able to be called, then another 50mins of boredom in a half destroyed station.

It's been in the lurch for a while because I ran into a roadblock where I'd have to overhaul a sadistic system (game mode code) at the same time as people are working with it (gang/abductor/shadowling).

I admit in its current form it's not that great.

Arete · Post by **Arete** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:24 pm #98026

Incoming wrote:
hanshansenhansson wrote:Does anyone really enjoy that mulligan stuff? Usually, you get 20mins of blob/wizzard and shuttle was not able to be called, then another 50mins of boredom in a half destroyed station.
It's been in the lurch for a while because I ran into a roadblock where I'd have to overhaul a sadistic system (game mode code) at the same time as people are working with it (gang/abductor/shadowling).

I admit in its current form it's not that great.

I think another issue is that we're already at a point where traitors and changelings already have a hard time making a round interesting on their own. If they only appear after the station has already researched a bunch of cool toys and given them to security, then they're acting at an even greater disadvantage.

In theory, this could cut both ways, since the guy who just wiped out the blob with xrays might become a traitor. However, in practice, there will usually be more validhunters empowered by the fight against the previous antag than there will be antags made even more deadly by it.

It might be a good idea to try to narrow down mulligan antags to those that are strengthened more than weakened by the presence of lots of powerful gear spread around the station. Rev, cult, shadowling, and gang would be my picks.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 12:53 am #99202

Cigarette packets can no longer hold lighters. this was such a harmless quality of life feature that i used every round, why on earth remove it

Post by **lumipharon** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:30 am #99207

what. WHAT. What satan spawn changed that? When and why?