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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Malkevin » Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:27 pm #127892

Its because non-sec's combat tools are pretty shit, gone are the days of quick tabling, quick choking, and stun gloves
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby confused rock » Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:54 pm #127958

To me the only change sec absolutely needs is to have laser guns have more ammo.
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Helios » Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:29 pm #128232

Gun Hog wrote:
Jacquerel wrote:I swear some people think of this game as a team of "good guys" (security) fighting a team of "bad guys" (antagonists ans assistants) while everyone else is just there to play the part of the bystanders to protect or terrorise.


Are you saying this is not the case? People very quickly get bored when the antagonists die or take too long to do anything. Security is very much the Cop side of things, and will gladly go out of their way to stomp on anyone they think is a bad guy. Similarly, it seems that most unarmed crew are just loot sacks, converts, and kill counts to antagonists. What you have described is very much how things seem from an observer's point of view. Sec is there to defeat antags; they are not mall cops. Antags are there to cause chaos. If they fail to do so, the shuttle gets called or assistants and the clown take their place. I would not at all be surprised to think that dedicated Security/Antagonist players see everyone else as support or sources of increased power - because it really does look that way when playing as a ghost.

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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby DemonFiren » Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:43 pm #128235

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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Luke Cox » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:19 pm #128366

Animal Xenos from gold slimes are stupid. Make them spawn facehuggers instead.
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby confused rock » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:16 am #128393

Luke Cox wrote:Animal Xenos from gold slimes are stupid. Make them spawn facehuggers instead.

Why? it would be even more stupid for them to be able to get round-ending aliens.
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby lumipharon » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:18 am #128395

Wyzack wrote:But that is what i really don't like. I was against even giving berets the same armor as helmets. It used to be that if you were conscious about looking cool as sec you would wear the beret. It gave no advantages other than making you look like a robust dude who don't need no head protection. Then if shit got real you could swap it out for the helmet to kick some ass. It seems dumb that a friggin beret should have all the functionality of a helmet that covers your eyes and sides of your head. The whole Berets=Helmets thing seems like it only benefits sec officers who want to pull dat powergame all the time, but also want to look casual. This seems silly to me.


Pretty much this. But then powergamers wanted to jump on the FASHION bandwagon without giving up the power gaming.
Someone said the beret is actually better then the helmet since it didn't get nerfed with the rest of armour, or some shit?

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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Wyzack » Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:04 am #128434

Nerf berets again, armorberets is dumb and makes helmets worthless
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Luke Cox » Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:51 am #128459

The unloved rock wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:Animal Xenos from gold slimes are stupid. Make them spawn facehuggers instead.

Why? it would be even more stupid for them to be able to get round-ending aliens.

You would have to deliberately let them out of the pen and/or give them something to feed on to actually cause potentially round-ending xenos. Xenobio containment only fails as a result of human error. Loyal crewmembers can harvest Xeno organs, antagonists can let them loose. If security or command has a problem with science raising Xenos, it's a lengthy process and people have more than enough time to step in and shut it down (even more so now with the added Praetorian stage before Queen).
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Steelpoint » Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:55 am #128460

When Kor nerfed armour values across the board he forgot to nerf Sec Beret's, meaning they give better protection than Helmets do.

I actually did address this but it came at the time when shit was hitting the fan with armour changes and me being banned from Github so I had to drop the issue.

Edit: Now I've addressed it: https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/12583
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Jacquerel » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:49 pm #128491

Luke Cox wrote:
The unloved rock wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:Animal Xenos from gold slimes are stupid. Make them spawn facehuggers instead.

Why? it would be even more stupid for them to be able to get round-ending aliens.

You would have to deliberately let them out of the pen and/or give them something to feed on to actually cause potentially round-ending xenos. Xenobio containment only fails as a result of human error. Loyal crewmembers can harvest Xeno organs, antagonists can let them loose. If security or command has a problem with science raising Xenos, it's a lengthy process and people have more than enough time to step in and shut it down (even more so now with the added Praetorian stage before Queen).

I mean that's all well and good, but is leaving aside the part where people introduce human error intentionally because they want to play as a round-ending alien.

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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Luke Cox » Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:43 pm #128542

Jacquerel wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:
The unloved rock wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:Animal Xenos from gold slimes are stupid. Make them spawn facehuggers instead.

Why? it would be even more stupid for them to be able to get round-ending aliens.

You would have to deliberately let them out of the pen and/or give them something to feed on to actually cause potentially round-ending xenos. Xenobio containment only fails as a result of human error. Loyal crewmembers can harvest Xeno organs, antagonists can let them loose. If security or command has a problem with science raising Xenos, it's a lengthy process and people have more than enough time to step in and shut it down (even more so now with the added Praetorian stage before Queen).

I mean that's all well and good, but is leaving aside the part where people introduce human error intentionally because they want to play as a round-ending alien.

Intentionally releasing Xenos as a non-antag is grounds for an immediate ban. Going off that logic, we should also remove the singularity, toxins, virology, etc. because people could use them to cause round-ending catastrophes so they can end the round and hopefully get antag next round. It'd be a fun thing for scientists to play around with, ghosts could do something other than stare at antags, and antags would have another tool at their disposal. It's always bothered me how Xenobiology was nothing more than breeding slimes. With the introduction of organ manipulation and implantable Xeno organs, Xenobiology could have their jobs expanded by allowing them to raise and harvest aliens like livestock.
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Not-Dorsidarf » Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:37 pm #128554

Luke Cox wrote:
Jacquerel wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:
The unloved rock wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:Animal Xenos from gold slimes are stupid. Make them spawn facehuggers instead.

Why? it would be even more stupid for them to be able to get round-ending aliens.

You would have to deliberately let them out of the pen and/or give them something to feed on to actually cause potentially round-ending xenos. Xenobio containment only fails as a result of human error. Loyal crewmembers can harvest Xeno organs, antagonists can let them loose. If security or command has a problem with science raising Xenos, it's a lengthy process and people have more than enough time to step in and shut it down (even more so now with the added Praetorian stage before Queen).

I mean that's all well and good, but is leaving aside the part where people introduce human error intentionally because they want to play as a round-ending alien.

Intentionally releasing Xenos as a non-antag is grounds for an immediate ban. Going off that logic, we should also remove the singularity, toxins, virology, etc. because people could use them to cause round-ending catastrophes so they can end the round and hopefully get antag next round. It'd be a fun thing for scientists to play around with, ghosts could do something other than stare at antags, and antags would have another tool at their disposal. It's always bothered me how Xenobiology was nothing more than breeding slimes. With the introduction of organ manipulation and implantable Xeno organs, Xenobiology could have their jobs expanded by allowing them to raise and harvest aliens like livestock.


Xenomorphs get free every round they're bred in xenobio. I've never once known a round where they didn't. EVERYONE wants to let them loose except for security
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby TheNightingale » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:17 pm #128558

Security wants them to get loose too, we just can't admit it.

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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Luke Cox » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:48 pm #128607

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:
Jacquerel wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:
The unloved rock wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:Animal Xenos from gold slimes are stupid. Make them spawn facehuggers instead.

Why? it would be even more stupid for them to be able to get round-ending aliens.

You would have to deliberately let them out of the pen and/or give them something to feed on to actually cause potentially round-ending xenos. Xenobio containment only fails as a result of human error. Loyal crewmembers can harvest Xeno organs, antagonists can let them loose. If security or command has a problem with science raising Xenos, it's a lengthy process and people have more than enough time to step in and shut it down (even more so now with the added Praetorian stage before Queen).

I mean that's all well and good, but is leaving aside the part where people introduce human error intentionally because they want to play as a round-ending alien.

Intentionally releasing Xenos as a non-antag is grounds for an immediate ban. Going off that logic, we should also remove the singularity, toxins, virology, etc. because people could use them to cause round-ending catastrophes so they can end the round and hopefully get antag next round. It'd be a fun thing for scientists to play around with, ghosts could do something other than stare at antags, and antags would have another tool at their disposal. It's always bothered me how Xenobiology was nothing more than breeding slimes. With the introduction of organ manipulation and implantable Xeno organs, Xenobiology could have their jobs expanded by allowing them to raise and harvest aliens like livestock.


Xenomorphs get free every round they're bred in xenobio. I've never once known a round where they didn't. EVERYONE wants to let them loose except for security

If people are releasing xenos intentionally, bans need to start being handed out

TheNightingale wrote:Security wants them to get loose too, we just can't admit it.

If more people want Xenos to pop up on the station, then maybe facehuggers should be more abundant.
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby confused rock » Fri Oct 23, 2015 7:46 pm #128800

The lone operative event greatly needs a sound upon spawning.
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby confused rock » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:29 am #129520

Just went on a killing spree with a chainsaw and holoparasite last round, in my opinion the only problems with the chainsaw are that it currently is slightly better than the spear as a throwing weapon, and cant be held one handed/on your back.
also telekinesis is op when it comes to combat because you can spam it really fast, you can instacrit a golem with it using a chainsaw.
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby ChangelingRain » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:33 am #129523

That's really more a TK problem because the TK throw has no click cooldown whatsoever and is thus more dangerous than anything short of a wand of death or energy axe.
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby TheNightingale » Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:11 pm #131966

What if we removed hulk entirely? It's rare to see it used for something other than "lel smash walls scream waaagh xD".

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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Helios » Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:20 am #131982

TheNightingale wrote:What if we removed hulk entirely? It's rare to see it used for something other than "lel smash walls scream waaagh xD".

What would be the end game of Genetics?
Why would people do research?
TK has already been nerfed into oblivion
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Zilenan91 » Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:44 am #131984

I wounldn't mind removing the permastun from hulk punches while keeping everything else. If Hulk was literally just the stun punch I'd take it, because as it stands it's retardedly strong.
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby 1g88a » Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:16 am #132783

Is there a pre-round tip that let's people know that they can tag sec as a job without ruining their chances at antag? If not, there should be, to encourage more people to play sec.
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Helios » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:04 am #136566

There's no notification to borgs that they are no longer Asimov during Traitor, or Double Agents.
I had a law 0, and I was never notified until the AI started telling me to kill someone, at which point I was already off station

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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby TheNightingale » Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:28 am #137096

When giving someone plastic surgey, you should be able to choose their new name.

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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby newfren » Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:10 am #137098

TheNightingale wrote:When giving someone plastic surgey, you should be able to choose their new name.

God yes I'm ready for 12 copies of Butts McButts all with random colours of hairs wandering around.

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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby TheNightingale » Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:12 pm #141654

Copying someone's SE with Genetics should copy their mutantrace status too. I want to be able to force-lizard people.

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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby confused rock » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:01 am #141688

TheNightingale wrote:Copying someone's SE with Genetics should copy their mutantrace status too. I want to be able to force-lizard people.

the monkey part of the se should only have a few values, only interchangable by copying ses or with an upgraded scanner
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Incoming » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:29 am #141707

Adding mutantrace to genetics was something I've wanted to forever.

Genetics is just impenetrable code to me and I'm afraid of fucking it up. No one's touched the UI/UE side of it in forever
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Ricotez » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:19 pm #141804

I wanted to add catpeople as a genetics fuckup rather than a roundstart thing (similar to how slime people are xenobiology-only) but the code makes my head spin around in a double helix
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby TheNightingale » Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:53 pm #142628

You know those operatives from the away mission, with the shields and the energy swords? They're immune to projectiles (and everything else), apparently. I fired three magazines of a SABR at one and it survived, even after I batoned it another ten times before it cut me down.

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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby newfren » Fri Dec 25, 2015 1:15 am #142644

It's immune to ranged attacks and there's an issue open for that - it's not immune to melee, it just has the same armour as nuke ops and no appreciable display for how dead it is beyond a medhud.

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Re: Minor Feedback

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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Helios » Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:51 am #145357

Have chameleon act like Hulk, and get disabled when you hit crit.

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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Anonmare » Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:59 am #145569

Helios wrote:Have chameleon act like Hulk, and get disabled when you hit crit.

I thought that was the downside to Chameleon. You get perfect invisibility but it can backfire on you when you don't want to be invisible.
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Helios » Sat Jan 09, 2016 8:02 am #145584

Anonmare wrote:
Helios wrote:Have chameleon act like Hulk, and get disabled when you hit crit.

I thought that was the downside to Chameleon. You get perfect invisibility but it can backfire on you when you don't want to be invisible.

What's the downside to X-ray or tk? Or being short

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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Cheimon » Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:12 pm #145603

They don't have downsides, and that's why they're bad powers.

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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Zilenan91 » Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:26 pm #145606

Revenants should be able to suck out the souls of people who went catatonic.
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby TheNightingale » Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:55 pm #145608

The downside to x-ray should be having flashes blind you more severely (and maybe sunglasses would only make it like normal flashes); the downside to TK could be causing slight brain damage every time it was used.

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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby JohntheRipper » Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:48 pm #147649

Lets talk about food.

I think the speed in which hunger progresses is far too slow. Today I was a cook in a 2 hour game with some 50 people on the shift and there were under 10 food items eaten over the course of the whole shift.

If cooks should remain useful members of the crew, more has to be eaten and for that hunger has to progress much faster. It should be possible to get over a 30 minute shift without eating, but this should be the absolute maximum.
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Zilenan91 » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:20 pm #147712

They probably just ate cup ramen out of the vendors. That stuff is really nutritious.
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby JohntheRipper » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:53 pm #147944

Hmm. This makes sense. Nevertheless, it just proves that the cook is currently not very useful.

I have had very much fun playing cook and I feel this job should get be really necessary for longer rounds. It would be a waste to let such a creative job be so unappreciated by the game.
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby TheNightingale » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:57 pm #147945

Increase the hunger rate, and/or give hunger more penalties than 'you walk more slowly'. Maybe you take more damage when hungry? Or being satiated slowly heals you?

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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Zilenan91 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:25 am #147962

Nah fuck that. Let's just do it the Goon way where the chef can make some truly ridiculous food and let people eat it on their own volition because of all the stupid shit he put in it.
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby JohntheRipper » Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:00 pm #148356

So we agree that the cook/cooking needs to be buffed.

The question right now is if we want do it with negative reinforcement (buff hunger) or with positive reinforcement (buff the foods effects).

While buffing hunger is easily done it may provoke backslash from users. Buffing food items made by the cook is more likely to be accepted, but will require more work and balancing.

I think it would be beneficial if hunger is buffed moderately while also food items receive better effects. The improvement of food items could also be used to reward cooks (and eaters) for crafting the more exotic meals.
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Random Players » Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:23 pm #148378

I want to note, that if such is done, please make sure something like 'Ration Bars' are added to the Miner Reward Point items at a reasonable price. Something that while not giving any bonuses, fills for a long time. So long mining expeditions are fully feasible.
That is, if hunger is buffed so that such might be a issue.

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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby DemonFiren » Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:12 pm #148386

Yes. Please. This needs to be a thing.

Returning to Cargo on the brink of starvation is something that happened to me often enough to make me sick.
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby PKPenguin321 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:31 am #149546

CosmicScientist wrote:I can't hear the quiet hum of the station ambiance. Was it removed at some point? Am I just remembering the game wrong after leaving for a while and it truly is silent half the time? I miss it.

you may have disabled ambiance in game preferences and forgot about it
i keep it disabled because i usually wear headphones and the bass ambiance blows my head up
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby PKPenguin321 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:48 am #149568

CosmicScientist wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:
CosmicScientist wrote:I can't hear the quiet hum of the station ambiance. Was it removed at some point? Am I just remembering the game wrong after leaving for a while and it truly is silent half the time? I miss it.

you may have disabled ambiance in game preferences and forgot about it
i keep it disabled because i usually wear headphones and the bass ambiance blows my head up

Thanks. I checked thanks to you and found it was ship ambiance (I think). Where does the bass come in?

Edit: That doesn't seem to be it. I could hear the weird noises in the corridor that... I can't really describe them, sounds like vague announcements by the AI or someone? Before I enabled that preference but before and after I still cannot hear the humming noise.

those are just rarer than ship ambiance, if you spend enough time maintenance crawling with ambient sounds enabled in prefs you'll hear them now and again
iirc chapel and morgue also have extra rare ambient soundtracks, pretty atmospheric stuff
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Re: Minor Feedback

Postby Remie Richards » Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:43 pm #149674

Space has one of the title themes playing in it, yes. Not sure why you think it's an "older" theme, it's title1 (or 2) which have been with us for a while, unchanged (Unless by older you meant time and not version in which case I retract my statement)
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