[POLL]Should the phazon be able to equp a repair droid?
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[POLL]Should the phazon be able to equp a repair droid?
Mechs are already pretty powerful but the fucking phazon is nearly as fast as the Gygax and can run through walls. All it costs to make a Phazon is plasma and metal some silver and gold(Phasic Scanner and Super Capacitor). A bluespace crystals from the teleporter and your good to go torture the crew by making them perma drunk from one punch shoot up the place and then run through the wall and wait for repairs. Atleast when its a Durand or Gygax it has to run through the halls or... it killed everyone nad is waiting to heal up.
So why should the Phazon which has an advantage over every other mech be able to equip a repair droid? Give the thing a god damn disadvantage other than power loss to phasing.
I miss the days of RD''s greatest mech goal being durand and gygaxes you never see them get made anymore and it's because the Phazon is objectively better its got a TOP NOTCH escape mechanism that has no downsides other than power loss. WHy is it all other bluespace tech is unreliable save the one where you phase through fucking walls?
So why should the Phazon which has an advantage over every other mech be able to equip a repair droid? Give the thing a god damn disadvantage other than power loss to phasing.
I miss the days of RD''s greatest mech goal being durand and gygaxes you never see them get made anymore and it's because the Phazon is objectively better its got a TOP NOTCH escape mechanism that has no downsides other than power loss. WHy is it all other bluespace tech is unreliable save the one where you phase through fucking walls?
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- RG4
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Re: Should the phazon be able to equp a repair droid?
Have you ever been Ion rifled? Ion rifles hurt mechs of any caliber badly, have you ever ran up to the phazon, attached a mech tracking beacon on it and then EMP pulsed it with the Exosuit controller console? 9/10 times you're not going to worry about a phazon attacking you unless the pilot is an antag or you're being a shithead and attack it no reason.
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Re: [POLL]Should the phazon be able to equp a repair droid?
I do think that phazons need a nerf, but really it should be the removal of the drunk-punching. Being able to choose your damage type is good enough for punching as it is.
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Re: Should the phazon be able to equp a repair droid?
Having very limited hard to execute weaknesses are not really an excuse for how overtuned the phazon is.RG4 wrote:Have you ever been Ion rifled? Ion rifles hurt mechs of any caliber badly, have you ever ran up to the phazon, attached a mech tracking beacon on it and then EMP pulsed it with the Exosuit controller console? 9/10 times you're not going to worry about a phazon attacking you unless the pilot is an antag or you're being a shithead and attack it no reason.
The mech has a highly desirable special quality that breaks a fundemental assumption the map makes about how you move, if anything it should be borderline worthless in comparison to other mechs stat wise unless it is nearly impossible to make, and it isn't. Even if it was being rare doesn't mean it should alway outpreform other mechs anyway.
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Re: Should the phazon be able to equp a repair droid?
This is correct. Design-wise, something with a very strong core function should not also be stats-wise superior or equal to others of its type. While I believe the gygax is still (technically) faster, and the durand is technically tougher, the difference isn't really enough to motivate a robo to build one of these over a phazon every time.dezzmont wrote:Having very limited hard to execute weaknesses are not really an excuse for how overtuned the phazon is.RG4 wrote:Have you ever been Ion rifled? Ion rifles hurt mechs of any caliber badly, have you ever ran up to the phazon, attached a mech tracking beacon on it and then EMP pulsed it with the Exosuit controller console? 9/10 times you're not going to worry about a phazon attacking you unless the pilot is an antag or you're being a shithead and attack it no reason.
The mech has a highly desirable special quality that breaks a fundemental assumption the map makes about how you move, if anything it should be borderline worthless in comparison to other mechs stat wise unless it is nearly impossible to make, and it isn't. Even if it was being rare doesn't mean it should alway outpreform other mechs anyway.
- RG4
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Re: Should the phazon be able to equp a repair droid?
Then take away Phazon's structural durability in exchange for it's wall-shifting and easier to obtain mineral costs. Hell to build a phazon you need to go the distance with the research trees to unlock the boards for it.cedarbridge wrote:This is correct. Design-wise, something with a very strong core function should not also be stats-wise superior or equal to others of its type. While I believe the gygax is still (technically) faster, and the durand is technically tougher, the difference isn't really enough to motivate a robo to build one of these over a phazon every time.dezzmont wrote:Having very limited hard to execute weaknesses are not really an excuse for how overtuned the phazon is.RG4 wrote:Have you ever been Ion rifled? Ion rifles hurt mechs of any caliber badly, have you ever ran up to the phazon, attached a mech tracking beacon on it and then EMP pulsed it with the Exosuit controller console? 9/10 times you're not going to worry about a phazon attacking you unless the pilot is an antag or you're being a shithead and attack it no reason.
The mech has a highly desirable special quality that breaks a fundemental assumption the map makes about how you move, if anything it should be borderline worthless in comparison to other mechs stat wise unless it is nearly impossible to make, and it isn't. Even if it was being rare doesn't mean it should alway outpreform other mechs anyway.
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Re: Should the phazon be able to equp a repair droid?
I wouldn't buff it in terms of construction.RG4 wrote:Then take away Phazon's structural durability in exchange for it's wall-shifting and easier to obtain mineral costs. Hell to build a phazon you need to go the distance with the research trees to unlock the boards for it.cedarbridge wrote:This is correct. Design-wise, something with a very strong core function should not also be stats-wise superior or equal to others of its type. While I believe the gygax is still (technically) faster, and the durand is technically tougher, the difference isn't really enough to motivate a robo to build one of these over a phazon every time.dezzmont wrote:Having very limited hard to execute weaknesses are not really an excuse for how overtuned the phazon is.RG4 wrote:Have you ever been Ion rifled? Ion rifles hurt mechs of any caliber badly, have you ever ran up to the phazon, attached a mech tracking beacon on it and then EMP pulsed it with the Exosuit controller console? 9/10 times you're not going to worry about a phazon attacking you unless the pilot is an antag or you're being a shithead and attack it no reason.
The mech has a highly desirable special quality that breaks a fundemental assumption the map makes about how you move, if anything it should be borderline worthless in comparison to other mechs stat wise unless it is nearly impossible to make, and it isn't. Even if it was being rare doesn't mean it should alway outpreform other mechs anyway.
The Phazon still has phaze, which allows it to completely ignore access levels in peaceful situations and instantly escape in danger. Lowering structural durability so it is absolutely forced to exploit that gimmick to the hilt both would make other mechs more attractive and fit in with what a lot of people want science to be: Toys, not upgrades.
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Re: [POLL]Should the phazon be able to equp a repair droid?
Drunk punch is the most retarded shit ever, remove this before changing anything. Getting punched ONCE by a phazon, by accident or on purpose, literally fucks you over for 30 minutes or more (I never found out how long it lasted because the fucking round ended before it did).
If you give a phazon a repair droid, all that's going to happen is an antag will get a phazon with a power and repair thing and a cannon, and be stoppable ONLY by well timed ion rifle spam. Otherwise it will take damage, phaze through walls and repair/recharge like a dong.
If you give a phazon a repair droid, all that's going to happen is an antag will get a phazon with a power and repair thing and a cannon, and be stoppable ONLY by well timed ion rifle spam. Otherwise it will take damage, phaze through walls and repair/recharge like a dong.
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Re: [POLL]Should the phazon be able to equp a repair droid?
No, it is only an issue with the phazon, because a durand is too slow to disengage to take advantage of it, and the gygax isn't tough enough to tank damage with it. A Phazon is fast enough to disengage and can do so through walls.
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Re: [POLL]Should the phazon be able to equp a repair droid?
>ion rifles not able to disable repair droids/energy relays and other equipment
The future is horrible!
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Re: [POLL]Should the phazon be able to equp a repair droid?
Ion Rifles are pretty effective against mechs, here's some stats on that. They also destroy guns and equipment inside mechs.
- Phazon - 3 shots
- Gygax - 3 shots
- Durand - 5 shots
- Honker - 2 shots
- Marauder - 9 shots
- Mauler - Indestructible
- Seraph - Indestructible
- DemonFiren
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Re: [POLL]Should the phazon be able to equp a repair droid?
I've seen a HONK get oneshot by an ion rifle.
Verify?
Verify?
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Re: [POLL]Should the phazon be able to equp a repair droid?
Correct, I've done that as well.DemonFiren wrote:I've seen a HONK get oneshot by an ion rifle.
Verify?
The amount of shots needed to down a mech seems to be a bit random, since the mech has a chance of deflecting the shot but still sustaining damage.
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