papbay versus goonbay (poll)

[allura]

just a poll for how this should go down.

paprika's opinion on cryo/sleepers:
allow resisting out of cryo (takes 2 minutes), add an extra cryo tube, remove sleepers and leave a board in medical for construction of a sleeper if wanted

my opinion on cryo/sleepers:
cryo automatically dispenses you at the end of healing and it's a lot faster, and since they don't knock you out you can just walk out whenever.
sleepers put you under for a duration the doctor inserts, and as long as you're asleep they can hit "inject rejuvenators" and it'll heal all 4 kinds of damage, but it cannot be upgraded and it's just the 4 basic.

the current:
totally broken, useless because of goon chem. what the fuck.

[Alex Crimson]

papbay so i can spike the Cryo Tubes with lethal stuff and they cannot just walk out.

[allura]

papbay so i can spike the Cryo Tubes with lethal stuff and they cannot just walk out.

good point, but you could just include something to put them to sleep in the cryomix?

[danno]

goofbay sounds awful and stupid and not well thought out at all.

[iamgoofball]

why did you put my name on that shit what the fuck

take my name off of that, call that goonbay

all I did was make cryo auto-spit you out

[paprika]

Resisting out of cryo takes 1 minute

Check your facts

[WeeYakk]

What is the difference between goofbag and current????

[PKPenguin321]

This poll is not very good.
Abstaining since I'd like to be able to resist out of cryo tubes but I still want to keep muh sleepers.

[allura]

paprika has withdrawn his pr, so i don't see any reason to keep this poll up, but i think that changing it would get me a lot of shit

[lumipharon]

I routinely use cryotubes as a ghetto, stealthy long term stun. Either to hold shitters until sec can deal with them, or far,FAR more commonly, I cryo people so I can convert them silently and without being sus as shit with stun papers and shit.
removing resisting out of cryo afaik was unintended, and pretty gay.

[allura]

sleepers are being changed so that they can knock someone out for upward to ten minutes instantly.
also, just put morphine in the cryo mix. they'll pop out asleep, put them in straight jacket

[lumipharon]

cryo puts people to sleep as a part of actually healin them. Knocking someone out with a sleeper, or straitjacketing them on the other hand, does not contribute to healing, and is therefore SUS AS SHIT.

[paprika]

What allura doesn't realize because he's a newfag is that sleepers actually used to be the old cryogenics system. We have a new one, cryo tubes, and the only flaw with them is that you can't eject from them which razharas secretly removed. I'm readding it and it would be wise to replace the shitty sleepers with more cryo tubes -- sleepers are an OLD feature we never got rid of because of quality of life for medical doctors having to to basically fuck all to heal people. We have a new chem system, and are working on making medical more interesting and robust, so we don't need sleepers anymore. Sleepers are for fucking nerds imo.

[Timbrewolf]

Stuff people into cryo tubes to keep them locked up and dormant is a tactic I've used quite a few times as various types of antags in medbay.

I vote we keep the tubes how they were and yell at shitty med players who put people in tubes and leave them there forever without a care.

If it's between having goonchem or having working cryo tubes and medbay staying as it was it shouldn't be a question. You broke good things that worked fine by adding crappy things nobody likes, and now you're using it as en excuse to change more stuff.

I at least have to give you some credit for smart politicking.

[Incomptinence]

Resisting out took a long time and you could always have an incapacitating chemical in there to make it permanent. Things that hit on cyro mischief is stuff like autopop out at 100% health and showing beaker reagents on the control window.

You can probably still get away with using lethal cryo on crit people. You can just tell people they succumbed and be believed in the average medbay. Similar with pretending to clone someone.

[lumipharon]

Making the chemical contents of cryo was truly a awful change for antags, RIP.

[Deantwo]

I have been playing Medical Doctor a lot since GoonChem was added. It took me a while to find out I didn't have to aim at limbs with the patches but other than that I like it.

I have never really used a Sleeper, most of all because I seemingly totally fail at putting people in them.
But I like the sleepers, they just aren't very useful as long as I have a supply of patches on me.

I don't really like the idea of the Cryotubes becoming a self serving tool, at least let us have to help the patient out and wake him up.

right now the only thing that I really have to do as a Medical Doctor is find the correct chemicals to use. This is fairly easy and I don't know why so many people doesn't know how to do it themselves.
I even updated the Guide to medicine wiki page with all the new chemicals (at least the ones for treatments, no clue about the harmful ones).
So once the new chemicals become common knowledge, my only task as a Medical Doctor will be to dispense the correct patches from the ID restricted venting machines.

The biggest challenges I get is when someone has just been cloned and there is no power to the Cryotubes, because no one else knows how to do much of anything without those.