Security uniforms have been ruined once again.

Lumbermancer · Mon May 02, 2016 6:05 pm

RED is the color of the Security. GREY is the color of the GREYTIDE. How hard is it to understand? I thought we reached that conclusion years ago.

GIVE ME BACK MY RED JUMPSUIT.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Mon May 02, 2016 6:06 pm #173083

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Mon May 02, 2016 6:56 pm #173095

InsaneHyena · Post by **InsaneHyena** » Mon May 02, 2016 7:13 pm #173097

Super Aggro Crag · Mon May 02, 2016 7:16 pm

look like shit, revert

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Mon May 02, 2016 7:29 pm #173099

Are we really doing this grey jumpsuit shit again?

It got shot down last time for a reason.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon May 02, 2016 7:57 pm #173113

Saegrimr wrote:Are we really doing this grey jumpsuit shit again?

It got shot down last time for a reason.

this tbh fam

Require all security officers to dye their suits in assistant blood, alternatively.

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Mon May 02, 2016 8:18 pm #173120

Might just add another locker room with all officer's jumpsuit alternatives

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon May 02, 2016 8:50 pm #173126

I'unno, three uniforms might make sense.
In ascending order of formality, from "wear while beating greyshirts" to "wear while beating CentComm officials": working uniform (red jumpsuits), service dress (those collared shirt-and-tie things) full/parade dress (whatever looks fancy but has some red on it).

ShadowDimentio · Mon May 02, 2016 8:52 pm

PERFECTLY FINE: ADDING NEW JUMPSUIT ALTERNATIVES

FUCKING AWFUL HOW DO YOU RETARDS NOT UNDERSTAND THIS: CHANGING ALREADY EXISTING JUMPSUIT SPRITES

THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE PEOPLE

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Mon May 02, 2016 8:58 pm #173129

Looks like shit. All security gear should have red as the primary color.

onleavedontatme · Mon May 02, 2016 9:09 pm

The only mistake was not making rolled up sleeves+cap the default.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Mon May 02, 2016 9:16 pm #173136

We already had a massive shitstorm over this and it was decided that the red suits were highly preferred. Who thought it was a good idea to dredge this shit up again?

Post by **oranges** » Mon May 02, 2016 9:24 pm #173139

basically you lot of autists are much less influential than last time, so this change will be quite easily put through instead of turning into a big slapfight.

Enjoy

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Mon May 02, 2016 9:32 pm #173141

People have the option of getting on github and checking out what changes are going on the server and they don't take it and get angry when things they don't like get merged. Speak up.

TechnoAlchemist · Mon May 02, 2016 9:57 pm

Red means bad, security are the good guys, blue security recolor coming soon.

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Mon May 02, 2016 9:58 pm #173149

Nanotrasen's finest

onleavedontatme · Mon May 02, 2016 10:07 pm

I am gonna make the hat the default so they have red/dont look like an assistant with a helmet on, sorry TechnoAlchemist the sprite wars must begin once again.

Mon May 02, 2016 10:16 pm

GAS THE CODERS SPRITE WAR NOW

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Mon May 02, 2016 10:26 pm #173156

Or we could turn the rainbow assistant config on so that they all spawn in randomly colored jumpsuits rather than always gray

Post by **lumipharon** » Mon May 02, 2016 10:26 pm #173157

These sprites are better, but I don't see why we don't just have the old red ones in the lockers or some shit. People that want to be red can be.

Also rainbow tide was better then greytide.

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Mon May 02, 2016 10:27 pm #173158

TechnoAlchemist wrote:Red means bad, security are the good guys, blue security recolor coming soon.

Bluecurity is the Syndicate's security uniform fam, they call it blueshift.

Lumbermancer · Mon May 02, 2016 10:50 pm

TechnoAlchemist wrote:Red means bad, security are the good guys, blue security recolor coming soon.

Surveys show that red is the color most associated with courage. In western countries red is a symbol of martyrs and sacrifice, particularly because of its association with blood.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Mon May 02, 2016 11:07 pm #173174

New uniforms are fucking great.

Keep them.

TechnoAlchemist · Tue May 03, 2016 12:10 am

Kor wrote:I am gonna make the hat the default so they have red/dont look like an assistant with a helmet on, sorry TechnoAlchemist the sprite wars must begin once again.

don't apologize I made berets standard and then people got upset, go for it

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Tue May 03, 2016 12:11 am #173196

By hats do you mean caps because I could get behind Security Cap master race

Lumbermancer · Tue May 03, 2016 12:33 am

TechnoAlchemist wrote:don't apologize I made berets standard and then people got upset, go for it

Unfortunately the original berets were superior.

Incomptinence · Tue May 03, 2016 1:54 am

RED BAD HUE!

Red as as far as I see it is the colour of combat. Security fight things. Neutral colour coders please cease activity, its the more neutral option a calming grey bowl of gruel will set you straight.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue May 03, 2016 1:59 am #173226

I have a opinion but I can't be asked to get into another long war over the issue.

So you win, but I still say this should be a alt uniform than the default one. No sense changing something harmless like a uniforms colour that has been around since the start of ss13

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue May 03, 2016 6:39 am #173279

I will say the sprites used are the absolute WORST sprites to use. Those sprirtes were disliked by myself AND Paprika and they were the compromise sprites.

ShadowDimentio · Tue May 03, 2016 6:47 am

ShadowDimentio wrote:PERFECTLY FINE: ADDING NEW JUMPSUIT ALTERNATIVES

FUCKING AWFUL HOW DO YOU RETARDS NOT UNDERSTAND THIS: CHANGING ALREADY EXISTING JUMPSUIT SPRITES

THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE PEOPLE

Davidchan · Post by **Davidchan** » Tue May 03, 2016 7:16 am #173282

Red was perfect for security. Red represents the greatest threats to the station, and valid hunting security have ruined far more non-antag arounds than a murderboner ever has.

Lumbermancer · Tue May 03, 2016 11:20 am

How do I remove it? How many patreon shekels I have to donate?

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue May 03, 2016 1:43 pm #173319

Make a revert PR, state your reasons, point out this threads exsistance and wait twenty four hours and see what happens.

Super Aggro Crag · Tue May 03, 2016 1:47 pm

Why do people want sec to look more professional and tactical anyway? That's dumb and contrary to the games theme and aesthetic.

Jazaen · Post by **Jazaen** » Tue May 03, 2016 1:55 pm #173321

Erm, could we make a special security clothes vendor? I know it would more or less double the amount of some armour, but it would solve the sprite war.

Either that, or an item which changes the sprites between alternative and old, call it "Sewing kit" or something.

EDIT: It would double the amount of: Armor, warden's jacket, warden's armored jacket, and some sec jumpsuits. Note that with armor already in the armory, this wouldn't make that much of a difference if someone wanted to outfit entire crew with armor (warops, blob, badmin events, tier4 devil?).

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue May 03, 2016 1:56 pm #173322

The only difference here between the old uniform and the new uniform is pretty much down to the color scheme.

Also the blue Warden uniform is just fucking horrible and was removed for a good reason.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Tue May 03, 2016 2:10 pm #173323

Individual aesthetic preference is never a good reason.

Like ever.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue May 03, 2016 2:19 pm #173326

If you wanted to make Sec "blue" you would also need to compleatly redo all Security related sprites to change their primary color from red to blue.

This includes weapon and alt clothing sprites, floor tiles, computer sprites, shuttle tiles, evac shuttle brig tiles. All this on all maps the game has.

This is just a asthetic change, its no """""""""Refactor"""""""""" since it missed 95% of everything to just change sec's sprites for the fifth time.

Lumbermancer · Tue May 03, 2016 2:20 pm

Steelpoint wrote:Make a revert PR

In English, doc.

Tornadium wrote:Individual aesthetic preference is never a good reason.

Like ever.

Yes. That's why the reasoning is: RED IS THE ESTABLISHED COLOR OF SECURITY. The rooms are red. The airlocks are red. The lockers are red. The consoles are red. The PDA's are red. The caps, berets and bandanas are red. The pepperspray is red. The holobarricades are red.

Is that good enough for you?

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue May 03, 2016 2:25 pm #173329

Don't forget the backpacks are red.

The sunglasses are red.

The HUD icon's are red.

All the floor tiles are red.

The biosuits are red.

The hardsuits are red.

The barricades are red.

The sec gas mask is red.

Officers blood are red.

The Security Belt is red.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Tue May 03, 2016 2:26 pm #173330

No you retard.

If someone is fully willing to do the entire conversion work themselves what right do you have to say "Nah bro". Something as incredibly trivial as an aesthetic theme should be down to IG Community vote rather than an internal coderbus war/discussion.

Steelpoint, Most of those items have a red tinge, the primary color is infact not red.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue May 03, 2016 2:28 pm #173332

But its still red.

Not blue, not green, not whatever, its got red as one of the more stark and primary colors that is consistent with most security equipment.

If this was a refactor then all those items would've needed to be resprited to change it from red to blue.

This is a change that was not needed, and we've already been down this road before.

This is change for the sake of it, it's unnecessary, it has NO effect on player behavior (as we all saw last time this was done) and overall its just a change in bad faith.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue May 03, 2016 2:30 pm #173333

Oh I'm sorry, I don't care if someone takes the effort to CONVERT something to another scheme or whatever.

So I guess all I have to do, by your logic, to get a shit change added to the game is to slave over it (or claim to) and say "bu-bu-but you don't get to say nah bro to my change I worked hard on it".

Spin on with those shit excuses.

Lumbermancer · Tue May 03, 2016 2:47 pm

Tornadium what you're ironically failing to realize is, that creating special snowflake sprites that do not adhere to established color scheme, without consulting it with community, is literally forcing your individual aesthetic preferences.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Tue May 03, 2016 2:55 pm #173337

Oh please, if you're going to get that uptight about a fucking color scheme then you need to fucking relax. An aesthetic change is not a shit change just because you don't like the new scheme.

This isn't even a fucking overhaul, it's just adding a slightly modified uniform that is still very easily recognizable as security. It's not even something as serious as completely converting everything to blue and you're still bitching. Even if someone wanted to make that change it's not a shit change until the community actually decides that it's a shit change.

Unless I missed something and suddenly a minority of coderbus is the supreme authority on everything.

Stagnancy is in a lot of cases not a good thing.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Tue May 03, 2016 3:06 pm #173342

These sprites are still inferior to Auspos sprites. Unfortunately i lack the energy to keep up with or participate in the sperge war this time.

TechnoAlchemist · Tue May 03, 2016 3:08 pm

The word refactor was a joke lmao, please calm the down cosmic.

The pr was positively received and making a forum thread will, as it always has, result in shit flinging and vocal minority issues and bickering. I much prefer the thumbs up/thumbs down system.

These are ausops sprites.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue May 03, 2016 3:09 pm #173346

How many people are on Github PR's versus the more visible, and easier to keep track of, forums?

I'll always take in game poll and such with more weight than the forums and github, but I would take the forums over github for feedback. Github's better for code commenting.

Lumbermancer · Tue May 03, 2016 3:23 pm

You know what's funny? The current armor vest is the old armor vest that was introduced during last change, and ultimately rejected. I have it in my avatar, which I also created to show disdain towards the uniform changes that you tried to push. And now we came around in full circle.

TechnoAlchemist wrote:The pr was positively received and making a forum thread will, as it always has, result in shit flinging and vocal minority issues and bickering

That's a really cute shifting of the blame. How about you make a thread yourself next time, so people could voice their opinions BEFORE you drop the pr. That should somewhat reduce the bickering.