Rogue Medborgs are Retarded

ShadowDimentio · Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:56 pm

>Be me
>Greyshirt
>HoP got dunked by a carp so time to heal him
>In medbay
>Medborg runs past
>"You feel a tiny prick!"
>Oh yeah the borgs were rogue, right
>Take fuckhuge damage
>Die before I can reach an analyzer to figure out how I'm dying

This is fucking retarded. I was dead in all of about 10 seconds from one hypo injection, which is ONLY avoidable if you have armor covering your entire body, a privilege only say, 7 people on the whole station have, max. I mean look at this goddamn chem loadout.

Literally GG if you get injected with most any of this shit. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:06 pm #221496

Lol git gud.

ShadowDimentio · Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:09 pm

Sorry didn't realize this was Dark Souls

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:09 pm #221498

Not really that much worse then getting stunned by an engiborg and dragged into space....

or slipping on that janiborgs lube and getting the same fate.....

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:11 pm #221499

>Knows Borg's are rogue
>Lets one get within melee range of him

Are you just going to use this forum to bitch about the things that kill you every day?

Gun Hog · Post by **Gun Hog** » Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:46 pm #221510

You speak as if this is the among the worst ways to die by an antag! Go die by a Traitor, Changeling, or Blood Cultist and get back to us.

ShadowDimentio · Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:59 pm

Yeah guys obviously I'm just bad for dying in one click, maybe next time I'll git gud and heal myself faster, exdee lmao cool memes

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:01 pm #221518

Have you tried not getting in melee range of a rogue borg?

TechnoAlchemist · Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:03 pm

ShadowDimentio wrote:Yeah guys obviously I'm just bad for dying in one click, maybe next time I'll git gud and heal myself faster, exdee lmao cool memes

Aren't you the guy who has been shilling to bring parasting back for like, ever?

Cik · Post by **Cik** » Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:05 pm #221524

nothing in the mediborg's kit kills you that fast

you're exaggerating

by the way the deadliest chem is probably the heart attack drug and just epi yourself and lolnodamage

confused rock · Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:12 pm

i think he might have a point i mean cyanide is pretty damn lethal I don't even know what heparin or sodium whatever is I mean the point is its gg unless you got charcoal or some shit

ShadowDimentio · Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:14 pm

Anonmare wrote:Have you tried not getting in melee range of a rogue borg?

Sure and wile I'm at it I'll throw in a prayer that in my frantic dodging the borg doesn't touch me ONCE, cause if so lmao balanced game I get to die from sodium thiopenal or whatever in ten seconds.

TechnoAlchemist wrote:
ShadowDimentio wrote:Yeah guys obviously I'm just bad for dying in one click, maybe next time I'll git gud and heal myself faster, exdee lmao cool memes
Aren't you the guy who has been shilling to bring parasting back for like, ever?

Parasting just had you hold nice and still for a while, the ling still had to strangle and absorb you which took a solid minute, plenty of time for someone to bumble onto him and save you.

Cik wrote:nothing in the mediborg's kit kills you that fast

you're exaggerating

It was 10-15 seconds and I was in crit, no joke.

confused rock · Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:41 pm

and by that I mean I'm agreeing with him because it happened to me and he is CORRECTISH

ShadowDimentio · Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:54 pm

The borg in question slaughtered like 15 people.

Aloraydrel · Post by **Aloraydrel** » Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:56 pm #221543

improve your gameplay

ShadowDimentio · Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:05 am

But I don't want to powergame harder

Cik · Post by **Cik** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:14 am #221550

don't be alone
know if the borgs are rogue
you're fine

what is problem

mediborg is the only dangerous borg when subverted git gud

ShadowDimentio · Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:19 am

>Medbot clicks on you AND your friend
>Medbot clicks on you with mute then toxin
>Medbot clicks on you ever

Sorry my skill doesn't trancend to be able to ignore massive damage

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:37 am #221554

Play sec.

Set up portable flashers, use wall flashes, pocket your flash.

Borgs are muted and stunned by flashes.

Actually on second thoughts don't play security.

ShadowDimentio · Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:47 am

We in the biz call that excessively specific counterplay

Davidchan · Post by **Davidchan** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:50 am #221627

All of the ranged and stun options were removed from borgs and you're bitching that a rogue one that was allowed to get in melee range was able to kill you quietly?

Are people not going to be happy until borgs are nerfed to meditbot level functionality?

Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:20 am

It's tricky to balance this kind of thing, since our poison chems are either putrid garbage or 10-seconds-to-dead with very little in-between. More lethal chems could be removed from the module, but another interesting emag module should probably be added in its place.

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:40 am #221662

Shadow, when you go out of your way to bash something - saying "this is retarded and you're a dumbass" instead of "hey, this is a problem, could you look into it" - makes people not take you seriously at all. If you keep making kneejerk threads spouting your feelings, then this isn't going to stop. For the record, I agree with you; that's why I'm not bashing you directly. PK makes a good point; this thing isn't easy to balance, and it would be hard to change this in a meaningful way without making hacked mediborgs irrelevant since they have so few tools already for antagonism.

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:20 pm #221664

i ded pls nerf

XDTM · Post by **XDTM** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:37 pm #221672

Less powerful chems, but with syringe guns instead?

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:09 pm #221678

Mediborgs used to have a Polyacid spray that was pretty damn powerful until acid got nerfed into uselessness. Hell, I consider the deathchems a downgrade - the old acid module would almost always destroy your headset on the first squirt, do huge burn damage very quickly and could be used to destroy items (such as the armoury guns) easily and quickly.

Mediborgs were practically assassin borgs whenever they got emagged back then.

onleavedontatme · Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:42 pm

What if medborgs got a shovel to make chasms instead?

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:37 pm #221695

ShadowDimentio wrote:We in the biz call that excessively specific counterplay

Complaining about antags as a non sec role is taken with the smallest grain of salt; you are not a vs player combat role. You are not equipped or employed to do so.

Also portable flashes are used to stop rushing assistants, the same goes for wall mounted ones. You also start with a flash.

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:18 pm #221701

And security has a gun that GGnore's them in one go.

ShadowDimentio · Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:11 pm

Xhuis wrote:Shadow, when you go out of your way to bash something - saying "this is retarded and you're a dumbass" instead of "hey, this is a problem, could you look into it" - makes people not take you seriously at all. If you keep making kneejerk threads spouting your feelings, then this isn't going to stop. For the record, I agree with you; that's why I'm not bashing you directly. PK makes a good point; this thing isn't easy to balance, and it would be hard to change this in a meaningful way without making hacked mediborgs irrelevant since they have so few tools already for antagonism.

Good advice but not my style. The coders don't listen to me even when I try to be reasonable or come to the table with well-reasoned and good ideas, so why bother?

Anonmare wrote:Mediborgs used to have a Polyacid spray that was pretty damn powerful until acid got nerfed into uselessness. Hell, I consider the deathchems a downgrade - the old acid module would almost always destroy your headset on the first squirt, do huge burn damage very quickly and could be used to destroy items (such as the armoury guns) easily and quickly.

Mediborgs were practically assassin borgs whenever they got emagged back then.

This would work just fine or reset their emag chem options back to being just facid, that's still plenty deadly bot not 10 seconds exdee rip tier

Kor wrote:What if medborgs got a shovel to make chasms instead?

J_Madison wrote:
ShadowDimentio wrote:We in the biz call that excessively specific counterplay
Complaining about antags as a non sec role is taken with the smallest grain of salt; you are not a vs player combat role. You are not equipped or employed to do so.

Also portable flashes are used to stop rushing assistants, the same goes for wall mounted ones. You also start with a flash.

So that means it's fine to get oneclicked by a medborg? Hell fucking guards aren't immune to getting oneclicked either.

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:55 pm #221722

Also: you do know a borg is also cucked after being hit once with a flash, right?

I for one applaud having things on the station that actually kill you.

Sidon · Post by **Sidon** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:44 pm #221729

Aren't you a borg apologist or am i losing my mind

Bolien · Post by **Bolien** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:46 pm #221731

Sidon wrote:Aren't you a borg apologist or am i losing my mind

confused rock · Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:27 pm

CPTANT wrote:Also: you do know a borg is also cucked after being hit once with a flash, right?

I for one applaud having things on the station that actually kill you.

you do know a guy is also cucked after being hit once with the deathchems, right? as in, they don't even have to bother to beat you to death, while they just gotta avoid you killing them or popping a calomel pill and then a charcoal one, then slowly healing. the chems actually crit within 15 seconds.
can you even name one other antag that has an infinitely usable way to gg in one hit besides fucking wizard shit? even ei nath requires time to charge.

Cik · Post by **Cik** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:39 pm #221744

there are tons of antags that can ggnore you in very short amount of time

considering that your average AI is going to have like one mediborg and as soon as it's discovered it's going to be AI v. whole crew (including several traitors that can ggnore it in 10 seconds or less) this is literally zero issue

nerf tator he can draw revolver at point blank and kill me in .1 seconds pls

protip: if the borgs are rogue, don't let it get to melee and click on you and/or don't be alone and/or have a flash and/or an EMP and/or use the fucking console to blow it up wew

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:29 pm #221760

The unloved rock wrote:
CPTANT wrote:Also: you do know a borg is also cucked after being hit once with a flash, right?

I for one applaud having things on the station that actually kill you.
you do know a guy is also cucked after being hit once with the deathchems, right? as in, they don't even have to bother to beat you to death, while they just gotta avoid you killing them or popping a calomel pill and then a charcoal one, then slowly healing. the chems actually crit within 15 seconds.
can you even name one other antag that has an infinitely usable way to gg in one hit besides fucking wizard shit? even ei nath requires time to charge.

Yeah traitor can do exactly the same by injecting chemicals with a sleepy pen.

And a single poison kit probably lasts you the entire round......

confused rock · Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:19 pm

thats a problem with the sleepy pen then, also I think that mightve gotten removed. even if that DOES work, at least you have to reload the pen.

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:26 pm #221781

Sleepy pen gets two uses I think. It mutes immediately and knocks out after a little while.

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:46 pm #221788

Anonmare wrote:Sleepy pen gets two uses I think. It mutes immediately and knocks out after a little while.

Only if you use it like a scrub.

ShadowDimentio · Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:01 pm

Sidon wrote:Aren't you a borg apologist or am i losing my mind

Silicon policy is dumb and secborg removal was a mistake

Post by **Cobby** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:26 pm #221825

Anonmare wrote:Sleepy pen gets two uses I think. It mutes immediately and knocks out after a little while.

it acts as a infinite-use hypospray that injects all it's reagents on use.

So long as you keep refilling it you good to go

ShadowDimentio · Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:35 pm

That's basically what medborgs get now, only in addition to being able to mute/stun you, it also can kill you extremely fast and has effectively limitless charges.

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:54 pm #221832

Just don't let them melee you and work against the AI. I have never had a Borg alone kill me. Just stand 2 squares from them.

confused rock · Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:38 am

Just stand 2 squares away from the dual Esword man guys, just stand 2 squares away from the singularity guys, just stand 2 squares away from the pulse laser guys

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:58 am #221884

The unloved rock wrote:Just stand 2 squares away from the dual Esword man guys, just stand 2 squares away from the singularity guys, just stand 2 squares away from the pulse laser guys

False equivalents

Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:20 am

D&B wrote:
The unloved rock wrote:Just stand 2 squares away from the dual Esword man guys, just stand 2 squares away from the singularity guys, just stand 2 squares away from the pulse laser guys
False equivalents

True for the second two since singulo pulls you in and the third one doesnt need to be close, but the first one is funny since it's actually not as powerful as a mediborg. Humans with eswords take slowdown from damage meaning it's easier to stay away from them, but borgs do not. They also have built in all access and bolt lifting, so good luck hiding in your department.

Post by **Cobby** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:31 am #221907

PKPenguin321 wrote:
D&B wrote:
The unloved rock wrote:Just stand 2 squares away from the dual Esword man guys, just stand 2 squares away from the singularity guys, just stand 2 squares away from the pulse laser guys
False equivalents
True for the second two since singulo pulls you in and the third one doesnt need to be close, but the first one is funny since it's actually not as powerful as a mediborg. Humans with eswords take slowdown from damage meaning it's easier to stay away from them, but borgs do not. They also have built in all access and bolt lifting, so good luck hiding in your department.

Not to mention an emagged borg doesn't have a big " DO NOT GO NEAR ME " icon like the above do. If the borgs aren't declared rogue, you might very well be the one running upto the borg rather than the borg running up to you.

With that said, one click with some of these chems is all it takes to R U I N your day. Once you see the O2 sign or your hair falling out, it's probably already too late [to even scream since the borg also has mutetoxin].

Incomptinence · Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:08 am

Antag hud for all these sweet babies so they never get ambushed again.

What would damage slowdown matter in an ambush with anything decent PKP like good grief do people let you smack them in the face after they pull a revolver on you?

XDTM · Post by **XDTM** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:45 am #221950

Put the deathchems in a dart gun, with 5u per shot, recharges after a while. Medborgs will now make a noise and be valid when poisoning, can't poison two people at the same time, and in return they get range (but can miss).

Incomptinence · Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:08 am

RANGED WEAPONS ON BORGS? HERESY!

UNLESS EVERY DAMAGING GUN IN THE GAME HARD COUNTERS THEM THEY ARE GODS AND I MIGHT NOT WIN!