PAREPEN REMOVAL

[Miauw]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Or we could just remove objectives and green/red text...

[murderboner intensifies]

but yeah apparently im going to have to code in a reagent that makes you mute and make the parapen that reagent + sleeptoxin to see how fucking terrible it still is before we remove it entirely.

[ExplosiveCrate]

Sleeptoxin takes an age and a half to take effect, and you can still use your hands. Not that hard to PDA the HoS your location and the name of your attacker.

Mute+sleeptoxin should be fine.

[Jalleo]

I said this before quite a few times in the efforts before and on IRC stamina damage chemical + mute is the best solution for this. Stamina makes people slower meaning they are given a disadvantage giving the antag a higher chance of killing or maiming their target not out right gg no re. This is the best way to start getting people with learning and understanding BYOND combat. not a outright sleep or slow ass toxin something that forces the defender to fight and harder to dodge attacks.

Heck imagine the possibities if a antag uses it during a bar fight with several people on his side nobody will be able to prove him for that death and throwing out the airlock.

[Lo6a4evskiy]

The revolver/ebow (or any kind of stun) + EMP flashlight is just as effective, by the way. The only thing is allows you to do is adjust suit sensors if you haven't already. And, well, scream in case somebody might be around, but that's unlikely.

[Oldman Robustin]

I said this before quite a few times in the efforts before and on IRC stamina damage chemical + mute is the best solution for this. Stamina makes people slower meaning they are given a disadvantage giving the antag a higher chance of killing or maiming their target not out right gg no re. This is the best way to start getting people with learning and understanding BYOND combat. not a outright sleep or slow ass toxin something that forces the defender to fight and harder to dodge attacks.

Heck imagine the possibities if a antag uses it during a bar fight with several people on his side nobody will be able to prove him for that death and throwing out the airlock.

Another terrible suggestion.

Slow + Mute is not robust enough. We had newlings prove that for several months when newling was basically "Extended: LSD edition".

The average player will never be robust enough to reliable dunk secure with only a slow + mute. Lings have them in limitless quantities that were completely undetectable and it was still considered too unrobust for anything but a sheer desperation kill.

Hopefully I don't have to fully explain this but in a game where disarm = chance to stun, assistants hauling stunprods, and security laughing at brute damage, you can forget it. I still remember being mute+cryo stung in maint by the clown, I pull a fire extinguisher out of my bag as he tries to welder me and I knock him out on the third hit and murder him and have sec drag him to the gibber while I healed the burn damage.

Only way this could go anywhere is to make them cost 1TC and make sure the slow includes at least enough damage to give the victim a disadvantage in any ensuing fight (moving slow isn't a big deal in tight spaces if you're willing to stand and fight).

Even still this wouldn't replace the parapen's vital role of assassinating heads/security without AI/Sec/Borgs fucking your shit up.

[Miauw]

mute+sleeptoxin is what it's going to be.

E:
Once again I have force-overwritten all previous commits, parapen removal is once again different.
30u of sleeptox and 30u of mutetoxin.

[Oldman Robustin]

Better but I'd like to see a 2TC cost on it, traitors really need all the help they can get.

Mute+Sleep is better than flat out removal but I don't think you can justify making it cost 3TC either. I know someone like the HoS or Captain can easily kill whoever sleep toxined them before they pass out, regular sec can still stun and cuff before getting KO'd, at which point sec will wake up before the traitor can uncuff himself. Anyone else who's robust will simply PDA the AI/Captain/HoS before they go down.

If I felt traitors were currently balling out of control I wouldn't mind the nerf but right now almost anything besides explosives, ebows, guns, and emags should be considered for a cost reduction.

[Miauw]

The PR has been merged, and if these new sleepypens are too unrobust I'll consider reducing the cost to 2 TC after we've had some time to try them out.
C4 won't attach to mobs anymore, either.

[Incomptinence]

Wait is that C4 not attaching thing in game or something you would do if you buffed the sleepy pen?

[Steelpoint]

From what I can read.

C4 can no longer be attached to a mob, however it's price has been reduced to 1TC.

Good for Nuke Ops, Traitors on the other hand...

[Giacom]

(You can still put them in bags and they'll gib anyone who carries them, but that requires having to setup the signalers)

[Incomptinence]

Noice, always wanted to use their single boom wire more.

[callanrockslol]

This is the slippery slope that made chloral useless.

Also I think the thing you want to nerf is zombie powder, not the parapen that injects it.

[paprika]

But zombie powder is a great chem that takes a long time to make unless you really know what you're doing so nerfing it would make botany/carps useless

[Miauw]

This is the slippery slope that made chloral useless.

Also I think the thing you want to nerf is zombie powder, not the parapen that injects it.

this is so contradictory. a nerf to zombie powder would make it like chloral: not instant knockout, because that was the issue with the parapen, yet you're complaining about "the slippery slope that made chloral useless".

besides, the end result would have been the same.

[paprika]

>playing antags and not sec

lol

[ThoughtSynapsis]

Let's remove all forms of stuns, Knockouts, And any form of disables.

Spoiler:

And then make calling for help or asking for assistance bannable.

[ColonicAcid]

That is a good suggestion.
We'll call it the valhalla update.
"BJORN YOU HAVE ATTEMPTED TO KILL ME, THIS IS A DISGRACE TO MY FAMILY AND I WILL BRING YOUR LIFE TO A SWIFT END."
We would never need security ever again and thus everything will be fixed.

[Cipher3]

That is a good suggestion.
We'll call it the valhalla update.
"BJORN YOU HAVE ATTEMPTED TO KILL ME, THIS IS A DISGRACE TO MY FAMILY AND I WILL BRING YOUR LIFE TO A SWIFT END."
We would never need security ever again and thus everything will be fixed.

10/10/10/10/10

Headmin he.

[Scott]

This just gives people who have a better connection to the server even more advantage. How is that supposed to help?

[tunderchief]

How about we put changes like this to a vote before you hugboxing fags shove shit down our throats?

[Incomptinence]

I think I remember a vote actually. Fairly sure parapen removal won. C4 changes? Don't think so.

[ExplosiveCrate]

I'm pretty sure there's been multiple polls on this topic, almost all in favor of nerfing it.

[cedarbridge]

I was pretty excited about the concept of craftable mute toxin, but requiring uranium makes it almost entirely unlikely that it will ever be made.

[Miauw]

let's see

Let's remove all forms of stuns, Knockouts, And any form of disables.

Spoiler:

And then make calling for help or asking for assistance bannable.

shitpost

That is a good suggestion.
We'll call it the valhalla update.
"BJORN YOU HAVE ATTEMPTED TO KILL ME, THIS IS A DISGRACE TO MY FAMILY AND I WILL BRING YOUR LIFE TO A SWIFT END."
We would never need security ever again and thus everything will be fixed.

10/10/10/10/10

Headmin he.

reply to shitpost

How about we put changes like this to a vote before you hugboxing fags shove shit down our throats?

shitpost

I think I remember a vote actually. Fairly sure parapen removal won. C4 changes? Don't think so.

correct. i should look into some proper feedback, it's been over two weeks.

I was pretty excited about the concept of craftable mute toxin, but requiring uranium makes it almost entirely unlikely that it will ever be made.

good point, i was sort of afraid that it'd be OP (i'm a hugboxing shit-fucking faggot like that :^] )

[ColonicAcid]

let's see
shitpost

let's see
minimod

reply to shitpost

backdoor moderating

shitpost

Starts with a m and ends in a inimod

[Scott]

let's see

Let's remove all forms of stuns, Knockouts, And any form of disables.

Spoiler:

And then make calling for help or asking for assistance bannable.

shitpost

That is a good suggestion.
We'll call it the valhalla update.
"BJORN YOU HAVE ATTEMPTED TO KILL ME, THIS IS A DISGRACE TO MY FAMILY AND I WILL BRING YOUR LIFE TO A SWIFT END."
We would never need security ever again and thus everything will be fixed.

10/10/10/10/10

Headmin he.

reply to shitpost

How about we put changes like this to a vote before you hugboxing fags shove shit down our throats?

shitpost

I think I remember a vote actually. Fairly sure parapen removal won. C4 changes? Don't think so.

correct. i should look into some proper feedback, it's been over two weeks.

I was pretty excited about the concept of craftable mute toxin, but requiring uranium makes it almost entirely unlikely that it will ever be made.

good point, i was sort of afraid that it'd be OP (i'm a hugboxing shit-fucking faggot like that :^] )

Good job ignoring everyone else.

[ColonicAcid]

A good developer only answers to a select few complaints that benefit his arguement.

[Cipher3]

That is a good suggestion.
We'll call it the valhalla update.
"BJORN YOU HAVE ATTEMPTED TO KILL ME, THIS IS A DISGRACE TO MY FAMILY AND I WILL BRING YOUR LIFE TO A SWIFT END."
We would never need security ever again and thus everything will be fixed.

This really is the best idea in this thread. It would be hilarious for a day.

[MisterPerson]

Wow this thread is awful.