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why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby J_Madison » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:28 am #237429

why does it have 75% block on everything on top of 100% block on energy projectiles?

given shotguns have spread, that means 2 of the projectiles won't hit (outside of point blank), but also three of four projectiles gets blocked.



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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Arianya » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:55 am #237432

Because its meant to be the "I'm casting any pretense of stealth aside and making myself big and scary target for sec to deal with" thing, not the "I slash two guys and then get telebatoned" thing.
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby DemonFiren » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:48 am #237438

Because dual eswords are meant to be dealt with by dogpiling the fuck waving them around or by gitting gud.
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Screemonster » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:50 am #237439

Do they block thrown shit? I remember that youtuber pulling a dual-esword rampage in medbay and was stopped by someone throwing glass shards at him.

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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby CPTANT » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:22 pm #237448

I always thought it was 50%...
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Doctor Pork » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:51 pm #237455

Screemonster wrote:Do they block thrown shit? I remember that youtuber pulling a dual-esword rampage in medbay and was stopped by someone throwing glass shards at him.

Pies are the most robust anti-eswords device. :honkman:
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby confused rock » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:09 pm #237548

>not grabbing the guy currently being cut down by the murderboner aggressively and slamming his now legless body into the eswordman
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby oranges » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:12 pm #237550

Energy Swords can be defeated by shooting them with chems

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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Saegrimr » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:46 pm #237563

Eswords can't block plasma fires.
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Doctor Pork » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:21 pm #237573

The unloved rock wrote:>not grabbing the guy currently being cut down by the murderboner aggressively and slamming his now legless body into the eswordman

this tbph dead bodies are fucking R O B U S T
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby CPTANT » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:04 pm #237584

Saegrimr wrote:Eswords can't block plasma fires.


Well its true that flamethrowers are pretty robust versus double eswords.
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby PKPenguin321 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:53 pm #237594

slip them, throw a corpse at them, try something that isnt shooting them
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby MMMiracles » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:58 pm #237596

there should be a fan of doom setting where you forego directly attacking people and instead turn it into a spinning blade of death where you run into people and chop them up.

throwing anything at them causes the thrown item to get chopped up but if they slip then the wielder gets chopped up themselves.
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Luke Cox » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:00 pm #237598

Because you need to

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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Shaps-cloud » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:17 am #237649

PKPenguin321 wrote:slip them, throw a corpse at them, try something that isnt shooting them

>implying they didn't buy noslips
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby PKPenguin321 » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:28 am #237651

Shaps wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:slip them, throw a corpse at them, try something that isnt shooting them

>implying they didn't buy noslips

Because noslips block corpses right
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby John_Oxford » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:39 am #237658

PKPenguin321 wrote:
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PKPenguin321 wrote:slip them, throw a corpse at them, try something that isnt shooting them

>implying they didn't buy noslips

Because noslips block corpses right


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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Quanti » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:43 am #237660

Esword can't block cyberbullying either, it's what I resort to most of the time. (Or just try and disarm them you pussy)

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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Davidchan » Thu Dec 22, 2016 2:23 am #237676

CPTANT wrote:
Saegrimr wrote:Eswords can't block plasma fires.


Well its true that flamethrowers are pretty robust versus double eswords.


Funny part is every single person I've seen try to use a flamethrower on tg set themselves on fire. Pnuematic cannon does pretty good at dealing with eswords thou, if you can make one before he finds and chops you down.

I guess the only problem I have with the d-sword is that it has increased block rate AND increased damage. One or the other would be fine, but both at once pretty much force minmax shenanigans
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby IcePacks » Thu Dec 22, 2016 2:27 am #237679

PKPenguin321 wrote:
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PKPenguin321 wrote:slip them, throw a corpse at them, try something that isnt shooting them

>implying they didn't buy noslips

Because noslips block corpses right

there is literally no shortage of person-projectiles on the station, some of which are actually willing to be tossed at an esword attacker

you don't need to blow a hole in the fucking hull just huck your fellow man at your enemy man
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby CPTANT » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:54 am #237746

Davidchan wrote:
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Saegrimr wrote:Eswords can't block plasma fires.


Well its true that flamethrowers are pretty robust versus double eswords.


Funny part is every single person I've seen try to use a flamethrower on tg set themselves on fire. Pnuematic cannon does pretty good at dealing with eswords thou, if you can make one before he finds and chops you down.

I guess the only problem I have with the d-sword is that it has increased block rate AND increased damage. One or the other would be fine, but both at once pretty much force minmax shenanigans


Yes which why you carry either a firesuit, an extinquisher, burn patches or all of the above.
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Screemonster » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:03 am #237751

Do pneumatic cannons spray the gas into the room here like they do on baycode?

Loading a cannon with a tank of burn mix and filling it with lit welders is hilarious on servers that do, parry that ya darth maul fuck.

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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby DemonFiren » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:45 am #237775

They do not, and they should, and I said that months ago but fun is illegal.
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Postby Anonmare » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:00 pm #237840

Firesuit gives slowdown and people can outrun you more easily. To use an extinguisher/patches requires you to turn the e-sword off even if only briefly.

It gives other people a window to put you down essentially.
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Doctor Pork » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:08 pm #237853

Screemonster wrote:Do pneumatic cannons spray the gas into the room here like they do on baycode?

Loading a cannon with a tank of burn mix and filling it with lit welders is hilarious on servers that do, parry that ya darth maul fuck.

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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby CPTANT » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:17 pm #237867

Anonmare wrote:Firesuit gives slowdown and people can outrun you more easily. To use an extinguisher/patches requires you to turn the e-sword off even if only briefly.

It gives other people a window to put you down essentially.


Uh, this is more advice for when you are the one throwing fire everywhere.
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby IcePacks » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:21 pm #237870

IcePacks wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:
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PKPenguin321 wrote:slip them, throw a corpse at them, try something that isnt shooting them

>implying they didn't buy noslips

Because noslips block corpses right

there is literally no shortage of person-projectiles on the station, some of which are actually willing to be tossed at an esword attacker

you don't need to blow a hole in the fucking hull just huck your fellow man at your enemy man

you guys remember when pkp suggested a viable alternative to SCORCHED EARTH SUFFER NOT A DUAL ESWORD TO LIVE
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Drynwyn » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:40 pm #239018

CPTANT wrote:I always thought it was 50%...

The individual dual esword object has 50% block, but both the dual esword and the phantom object that goes in your empty hand have this block chance- so in practice 75% of strikes will be blocked.
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Postby onleavedontatme » Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:09 am #239026

Drynwyn wrote:
CPTANT wrote:I always thought it was 50%...

The individual dual esword object has 50% block, but both the dual esword and the phantom object that goes in your empty hand have this block chance- so in practice 75% of strikes will be blocked.


Nah, it got changed to just have a flat 75 chance on the dual saber itself.

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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Drynwyn » Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:38 am #239037

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CPTANT wrote:I always thought it was 50%...

The individual dual esword object has 50% block, but both the dual esword and the phantom object that goes in your empty hand have this block chance- so in practice 75% of strikes will be blocked.


Nah, it got changed to just have a flat 75 chance on the dual saber itself.

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Postby Bombadil » Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:48 am #239039

Eswords cant block KAs hahahaah!
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby DemonFiren » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:16 am #239043

They also can't block pepperspray and flashbangs.
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Postby Doctor Pork » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:20 am #239047

throwable eswords when
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Doctor Pork wrote:throwable eswords when

They already are throwable.
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby PKPenguin321 » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:12 am #239095

Doctor Pork wrote:throwable eswords when

They can be thrown and they can embed. They also have a shitload of throwforce last I checked

I genuinely believe throwing is the next evolution of robustness
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Postby Screemonster » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:13 am #239101

CosmicScientist wrote:
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Doctor Pork wrote:throwable eswords when

They can be thrown and they can embed. They also have a shitload of throwforce last I checked

I genuinely believe throwing is the next evolution of robustness

Were you not around for floor tile memes?

floor tiles are robust because they stack. Sure they're not bad as thrown weapons but the real robust-value is being able to carry like a hundred of them into a fight.

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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby PKPenguin321 » Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:22 pm #239204

CosmicScientist wrote:
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Doctor Pork wrote:throwable eswords when

They can be thrown and they can embed. They also have a shitload of throwforce last I checked

I genuinely believe throwing is the next evolution of robustness

Were you not around for floor tile memes?

Oh no those are excellent too but how often do you see people actually using them? Untapped meta
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby lzimann » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:15 pm #239226

No one uses floortiles anymore because they suck now. When I was new to the game a guy got me with floor tiles, it was sad.

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HG nerfed floor tile damage into the ground because unlike being strong coder of your dreams he was just another salt entity.
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Jembo » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:16 pm #239245

Use a bola sec has a ton, and they're easy to make. Anyone moving slow is an easy target to any of the other weapons available to kill them.

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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Doctor Pork » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:31 pm #239370

Jembo wrote:Use a bola sec has a ton, and they're easy to make. Anyone moving slow is an easy target to any of the other weapons available to kill them.

You can put bolas into pneumatic cannons to shoot them super fast and far.
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Oldman Robustin » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:40 pm #240519

I made the change from 50% to 75% because:

1) Dual Eswords were a joke

2) Esword + Chair would give you 75% block with the same amount of damage as a dual esword


Since dual eswords were being outclassed by esword + a fucking chair, I buffed the dual esword to 75%. Seems pretty fitting given the 500 counters available and the super overt nature of the weapon.
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Reece » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:29 pm #240551

Even ignoring the counters...why wouldn't it be? It's a massive investment of TC's and paints a giant valid sign on you.

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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Gun Hog » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:51 am #240635

Dual energy sword NEEDS to be strong and robust. It carries MASSIVE downsides. Dual e-sworders get taken out by assistants and the clown enough already!

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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby ChangelingRain » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:19 pm #240689

Oldman Robustin wrote:I made the change from 50% to 75% because:

1) Dual Eswords were a joke

2) Esword + Chair would give you 75% block with the same amount of damage as a dual esword


Since dual eswords were being outclassed by esword + a fucking chair, I buffed the dual esword to 75%. Seems pretty fitting given the 500 counters available and the super overt nature of the weapon.


Uh, point two is wrong on pretty much all counts; percentage chances don't stack like that, the esword's damage is slightly lower(one more hit to crit), and, as a bonus note, chairs can only block unarmed attacks, like punching/disarm.
So that means effectively your reasoning for buffing the dual esword was "Dual Eswords were a joke" which, uh, may not have been true at all.
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Wyzack » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:26 pm #240692

I mean, they were still a joke. Buying a dual esword makes you valid to the max and announces your intent to be a murderboner cunt, they sort of needed the boost.

However i still think the desword exemplifies the worst part of traitor (go kill everyone lel XD)

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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby sirnat » Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:24 pm #240705

I don't know why people say it puts you out to be lynched.

>Buy dual swords
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Ai can't track your new ID I don't think, the mask prevents that.

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DemonFiren
 
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby DemonFiren » Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:34 pm #240706

Too much effort for murderboner.
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Re: why is dual energy sword 75% block

Postby Oldman Robustin » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:17 pm #240716

If you're going to play secret undetectable murderman, there's much better options than the dual esword.

Also I did make the change before dismembermemes were a thing. Eswords got a huge buff from that change.
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